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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> on 2009/04/22 22:25:21 UTC
more mailing list hassles
Hey Jack,
I'm trying to get codesite-noreply@google.com subscribed as a
trusted/active poster to svn@s.t.o, but the interface throws an error
every time that I try to do something.
It seems to have worked okay for issues@s.t.o. I believe the problem
on svn@ is that there was already a codesite there, and it allowed me
to add a *second* one. And now it just seems confused.
Ideas?
Thanks,
-g
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Hmm. After waiting a bit, and going back, it looks like things are
kosher. However, the mail isn't flowing. I have no reason to believe
that the codesite email is not flowing, so that leaves some kinda
issue on tigris.org. Any help there?
Thanks,
-g
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:25, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Jack,
>
> I'm trying to get codesite-noreply@google.com subscribed as a
> trusted/active poster to svn@s.t.o, but the interface throws an error
> every time that I try to do something.
>
> It seems to have worked okay for issues@s.t.o. I believe the problem
> on svn@ is that there was already a codesite there, and it allowed me
> to add a *second* one. And now it just seems confused.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> -g
>
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Awesome. Thanks for all the efforts, and good luck with that hard drive!!
Cheers,
-g
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 19:14, Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net> wrote:
>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> Oh ho... I just realized another way to parse... That sentence is only
>> talking about *recipients* ... not *senders*.
>
>
> Yes, exactly. The whole "senders vs. recipients" thing is equally as messed
> up as the whole "good email not registered with us vs. web access not even
> logged in." Next patch should be much much better.
>
>> Any ideas? I need to authorize an automated email address to emails to
>> Subversion's tigris mailing lists. ??
>
> As I say, I think we need to create a user account with that return address.
> At that point we can use the tools even in their present ... exotic ...
> state.
>
> I've done the following:
>
> - created user codesite_noreply_google
> - made it an Observer in the subversion.to project
> - confirmed that it already is subscribed to issues@
> - subscribed it to svn@
> - - trusted poster
> - - notices on home page only
>
> I haven't really dug into why it worked for issues@ but not for svn@;
> probably has to do with the various other settings on the lists. When I
> created an account for the email address, it "inherited" the subscription to
> issues@, so whereas you had apparently subscribed the address as an
> unregistered user, it now shows up in the registered-user subscriber list.
>
> Here's a list of some of the problems we've been dodging, in this thread,
> all of which are due to be fixed soon. I'm not sure whether "soon" means
> "next patch" (a week or so) or "next release" (a month or so), in all cases,
> as my primary laptop's in disc crash hell, sorry. But anyway, these are all
> in the pipeline:
>
> - Can't administratively subscribe unregistered users as thoroughly as
> registered users
> - Some web UI controls affect subscribers (i.e., recipients) but not
> posters (i.e., contributers), some the other way; some affect
> subscribe-by-web but not subscribe-by-email, some the other way; some affect
> post-by-web only, some post-by-email only.
> - Users actually need a role in the project to count as "registered" in the
> mess mentioned above (ISTR, maybe, this might already be fixed on Tigris,
> not sure, but that's why I did it that way this time)
>
>
>
>
> -==-
> Jack Repenning
> CollabNet, Inc.
> 8000 Marina Blvd.
> Suite 600
> Brisbane, CA 95014
> o: +1 650.228.2562
> f: +1 650.228.2501
> c: +1 408.835.8090
> h: +1 408.248.9708
>
>
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net>.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Oh ho... I just realized another way to parse... That sentence is only
> talking about *recipients* ... not *senders*.
Yes, exactly. The whole "senders vs. recipients" thing is equally as
messed up as the whole "good email not registered with us vs. web
access not even logged in." Next patch should be much much better.
> Any ideas? I need to authorize an automated email address to emails to
> Subversion's tigris mailing lists. ??
As I say, I think we need to create a user account with that return
address. At that point we can use the tools even in their present ...
exotic ... state.
I've done the following:
- created user codesite_noreply_google
- made it an Observer in the subversion.to project
- confirmed that it already is subscribed to issues@
- subscribed it to svn@
- - trusted poster
- - notices on home page only
I haven't really dug into why it worked for issues@ but not for svn@;
probably has to do with the various other settings on the lists. When
I created an account for the email address, it "inherited" the
subscription to issues@, so whereas you had apparently subscribed the
address as an unregistered user, it now shows up in the registered-
user subscriber list.
Here's a list of some of the problems we've been dodging, in this
thread, all of which are due to be fixed soon. I'm not sure whether
"soon" means "next patch" (a week or so) or "next release" (a month or
so), in all cases, as my primary laptop's in disc crash hell, sorry.
But anyway, these are all in the pipeline:
- Can't administratively subscribe unregistered users as thoroughly
as registered users
- Some web UI controls affect subscribers (i.e., recipients) but not
posters (i.e., contributers), some the other way; some affect
subscribe-by-web but not subscribe-by-email, some the other way; some
affect post-by-web only, some post-by-email only.
- Users actually need a role in the project to count as "registered"
in the mess mentioned above (ISTR, maybe, this might already be fixed
on Tigris, not sure, but that's why I did it that way this time)
-==-
Jack Repenning
CollabNet, Inc.
8000 Marina Blvd.
Suite 600
Brisbane, CA 95014
o: +1 650.228.2562
f: +1 650.228.2501
c: +1 408.835.8090
h: +1 408.248.9708
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 01:05, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:54, Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net> wrote:
>> So far as I know, your choices are:
>>
>> • email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
>> • create an account on Tigris with primary email address codesite-noreply
>>
>> That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
>> ("anonymous") address.
>
> Hm? The web page(*) misled me then:
> "You can subscribe users, anonymous guest emails, user groups and
> other discussions to this discussion. Enter usernames, anonymous guest
> email addresses, user group names or discussion email addresses
> separated by commas."
>
> I thought this was under "anonymous guest emails".
Oh ho... I just realized another way to parse... That sentence is only
talking about *recipients* ... not *senders*.
Sigh.
Any ideas? I need to authorize an automated email address to emails to
Subversion's tigris mailing lists. ??
>...
Thx,
-g
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Edmund Wong <ed...@belfordhk.com>.
Greg Stein wrote:
> Damn. Looks like gmail's "Show Original" does not show the "From ..."
> line (which is the envelope, iirc). The From: header is definitely
> codesite-noreply@google.com.
>
>> case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be inconsistent in whether we
>> use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie fails, we'll have to make a
>> user.
>>
>> I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another half hour.
>
> No problem. I'll be on IRC if that is easier. And no great rush, tho
> I'd like this to be working in the next day or so.
>
PMJI,
Maybe if you try to set it up that it sends to dev@s.t.o. first. If
that works, and svn@s.t.o. doesn't then you know it isn't your setup
issue. If dev@s.t.o. doesn't work, then it could be a setup issue.
Just my $0.02.
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
I did not understand what you wanted to do.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm? codesite-reply shouldn't get any emails (it is only for *sending*
> emails), so it seems that "Notifications" set to "Start page only" is
> correct. am I missing something?
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 01:17, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Start page only means no mails are sent. You want message by
>> message.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:54, Jack Repenning
>>> <jr...@collab.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So far as I know, your choices are:
>>>>
>>>> • email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
>>>> • create an account on Tigris with primary email address
>>>> codesite-noreply
>>>>
>>>> That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
>>>> ("anonymous") address.
>>>
>>> Hm? The web page(*) misled me then:
>>> "You can subscribe users, anonymous guest emails, user groups and
>>> other discussions to this discussion. Enter usernames, anonymous
>>> guest
>>> email addresses, user group names or discussion email addresses
>>> separated by commas."
>>>
>>> I thought this was under "anonymous guest emails".
>>>
>>> It even keeps a record of the thing, and I switched its
>>> "Notification"
>>> to "My start page only" (knowing it won't ever log in :-P ). It
>>> was on
>>> that record where I switched on the "Active" flag (and the "Trusted"
>>> flag was already set from my subscription action).
>>>
>>>> I'm guessing, further, that codesite-noreply never actually sends
>>>> mail,
>>>> it's
>>>> only a pseudo-return-address, used as reply-to or envelope-from.
>>>> In that
>>>
>>> Oh, it most definitely sends email. Thousands of them every hour,
>>> I'd
>>> bet (it's the address that code.google.com uses for issue/svn
>>> notification email). Lemme go see how...
>>>
>>> Damn. Looks like gmail's "Show Original" does not show the
>>> "From ..."
>>> line (which is the envelope, iirc). The From: header is definitely
>>> codesite-noreply@google.com.
>>>
>>>> case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be inconsistent in
>>>> whether
>>>> we
>>>> use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie fails, we'll have to
>>>> make a
>>>> user.
>>>>
>>>> I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another
>>>> half
>>>> hour.
>>>
>>> No problem. I'll be on IRC if that is easier. And no great rush, tho
>>> I'd like this to be working in the next day or so.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -g
>>>
>>> (*)
>>> http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewSubscribers.do?dsForumId=495&countPerPage=undefined&countPerPage=undefined
>>>
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>>>
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
hmm? codesite-reply shouldn't get any emails (it is only for *sending*
emails), so it seems that "Notifications" set to "Start page only" is
correct. am I missing something?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 01:17, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Start page only means no mails are sent. You want message by message.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:54, Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So far as I know, your choices are:
>>>
>>> • email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
>>> • create an account on Tigris with primary email address
>>> codesite-noreply
>>>
>>> That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
>>> ("anonymous") address.
>>
>> Hm? The web page(*) misled me then:
>> "You can subscribe users, anonymous guest emails, user groups and
>> other discussions to this discussion. Enter usernames, anonymous guest
>> email addresses, user group names or discussion email addresses
>> separated by commas."
>>
>> I thought this was under "anonymous guest emails".
>>
>> It even keeps a record of the thing, and I switched its "Notification"
>> to "My start page only" (knowing it won't ever log in :-P ). It was on
>> that record where I switched on the "Active" flag (and the "Trusted"
>> flag was already set from my subscription action).
>>
>>> I'm guessing, further, that codesite-noreply never actually sends mail,
>>> it's
>>> only a pseudo-return-address, used as reply-to or envelope-from. In that
>>
>> Oh, it most definitely sends email. Thousands of them every hour, I'd
>> bet (it's the address that code.google.com uses for issue/svn
>> notification email). Lemme go see how...
>>
>> Damn. Looks like gmail's "Show Original" does not show the "From ..."
>> line (which is the envelope, iirc). The From: header is definitely
>> codesite-noreply@google.com.
>>
>>> case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be inconsistent in whether
>>> we
>>> use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie fails, we'll have to make a
>>> user.
>>>
>>> I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another half
>>> hour.
>>
>> No problem. I'll be on IRC if that is easier. And no great rush, tho
>> I'd like this to be working in the next day or so.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -g
>>
>> (*)
>> http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewSubscribers.do?dsForumId=495&countPerPage=undefined&countPerPage=undefined
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=462&dsMessageId=1867666
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
Start page only means no mails are sent. You want message by message.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:54, Jack Repenning
> <jr...@collab.net> wrote:
>> So far as I know, your choices are:
>>
>> • email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
>> • create an account on Tigris with primary email address codesite
>> -noreply
>>
>> That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
>> ("anonymous") address.
>
> Hm? The web page(*) misled me then:
> "You can subscribe users, anonymous guest emails, user groups and
> other discussions to this discussion. Enter usernames, anonymous guest
> email addresses, user group names or discussion email addresses
> separated by commas."
>
> I thought this was under "anonymous guest emails".
>
> It even keeps a record of the thing, and I switched its "Notification"
> to "My start page only" (knowing it won't ever log in :-P ). It was on
> that record where I switched on the "Active" flag (and the "Trusted"
> flag was already set from my subscription action).
>
>> I'm guessing, further, that codesite-noreply never actually sends
>> mail, it's
>> only a pseudo-return-address, used as reply-to or envelope-from. In
>> that
>
> Oh, it most definitely sends email. Thousands of them every hour, I'd
> bet (it's the address that code.google.com uses for issue/svn
> notification email). Lemme go see how...
>
> Damn. Looks like gmail's "Show Original" does not show the "From ..."
> line (which is the envelope, iirc). The From: header is definitely
> codesite-noreply@google.com.
>
>> case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be inconsistent in
>> whether we
>> use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie fails, we'll have to
>> make a
>> user.
>>
>> I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another
>> half hour.
>
> No problem. I'll be on IRC if that is easier. And no great rush, tho
> I'd like this to be working in the next day or so.
>
> Thanks!
> -g
>
> (*) http://subversion.tigris.org/ds/viewSubscribers.do?dsForumId=495&countPerPage=undefined&countPerPage=undefined
>
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 00:54, Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net> wrote:
> So far as I know, your choices are:
>
> • email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
> • create an account on Tigris with primary email address codesite-noreply
>
> That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
> ("anonymous") address.
Hm? The web page(*) misled me then:
"You can subscribe users, anonymous guest emails, user groups and
other discussions to this discussion. Enter usernames, anonymous guest
email addresses, user group names or discussion email addresses
separated by commas."
I thought this was under "anonymous guest emails".
It even keeps a record of the thing, and I switched its "Notification"
to "My start page only" (knowing it won't ever log in :-P ). It was on
that record where I switched on the "Active" flag (and the "Trusted"
flag was already set from my subscription action).
> I'm guessing, further, that codesite-noreply never actually sends mail, it's
> only a pseudo-return-address, used as reply-to or envelope-from. In that
Oh, it most definitely sends email. Thousands of them every hour, I'd
bet (it's the address that code.google.com uses for issue/svn
notification email). Lemme go see how...
Damn. Looks like gmail's "Show Original" does not show the "From ..."
line (which is the envelope, iirc). The From: header is definitely
codesite-noreply@google.com.
> case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be inconsistent in whether we
> use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie fails, we'll have to make a
> user.
>
> I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another half hour.
No problem. I'll be on IRC if that is easier. And no great rush, tho
I'd like this to be working in the next day or so.
Thanks!
-g
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Re: more mailing list hassles
Posted by Jack Repenning <jr...@collab.net>.
So far as I know, your choices are:
• email from codesite-noreply to dev-subscribe
• create an account on Tigris with primary email address codesite-
noreply
That is, there's no web-mediated way to subscribe an unregistered
("anonymous") address.
I'm guessing, further, that codesite-noreply never actually sends
mail, it's only a pseudo-return-address, used as reply-to or envelope-
from. In that case, even email subbies may fail: we seem to be
inconsistent in whether we use from: or envelope-from. If email subbie
fails, we'll have to make a user.
I'm reformatting my disk at the moment, back on line in another half
hour.
Sent from my iPhone; please excuse me if I'm unusually terse, or make
a few msitakes.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 15:25, "Greg Stein" <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Jack,
>
> I'm trying to get codesite-noreply@google.com subscribed as a
> trusted/active poster to svn@s.t.o, but the interface throws an error
> every time that I try to do something.
>
> It seems to have worked okay for issues@s.t.o. I believe the problem
> on svn@ is that there was already a codesite there, and it allowed me
> to add a *second* one. And now it just seems confused.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> -g
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