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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> on 2014/07/14 15:34:52 UTC
Key talking points CS vs OS?
I'm submitting an OSCON Ignite talk in a couple of hours about "Why your
project's brand is more important than the code" and it occurred to me
(since I still have one blank slide, and my deadline looms in a few
hours to submit slides) that CloudStack vs. OpenStack would be a good
example in some ways.
I already have some slides on "how do you choose a new product in a new
technical area you haven't worked in", and think that adding a third
slide on how OpenStack would come to the top if you were rating them
both on brand impressions, but CloudStack would come out on top if you
were looking at the code or seeing the actual real-world running code
impacts.
Existing slides:
- So you're a database person who needs to break into front end design.
There are all these JS frameworks to choose from (logos around person).
How do you choose?
- You don't have time to read all the code of all of them, so you
optimize - you choose a shortlist to download evals and build code demos
of a couple, and then choose one from there. But how did you optimize
your shortlist? You relied on the brand impression from all the JS
frameworks to choose the shortlist.
- Potential new slide: OpenStack and CloudStack logos opposing each other)
For example, which of these two has a better impression in your mind,
right now, right here?
The suits here almost certainly said OpenStack; a much stronger brand.
But CloudStack has the better code / more deploys / what???
Anyone want to give me 10 seconds of script to talk up here about the
difference?
Please cc: me since I'm not on this list.
- Shane
Re: Key talking points CS vs OS?
Posted by Mark Hinkle <Ma...@citrix.com>.
Shane,
This response pains me more than you could know.
At one point I would have agreed with you on the CloudStack vs. OpenStack awareness versus code but the fact of the matter is that by creating the brand impressions OpenStack has attracted a larger developer base and has erased much of the technical debt it had relative to CloudStack two years ago. The latest Coverity scan shows a higher defect rate than other Apache projects too(http://clds.co/1jriKFj) and I suspect a comparable if not better defect rate. I symptom of a user base that experiences linear versus the exponential growth many open source projects like Linux, the Apache Web Server and MySQL experience.
I will say given the limited brand awareness of CloudStack it has as very good code base and exceptional amount of deploys but I don’t think that it supports your hypothesis.
I really think that the point could be or should be, “Your project’s brand is AS IMPORTANT as your code?” and that a strong brand draws user and developer confidence into investing in your project. If our brand was stronger I think our code would be stronger but there’s only one way to prove that theory. I wouldn’t want to see CloudStack as the cautionary tale slide in your preso.
I don’t like to compare open source projects but I think you could make a compelling slide showing the velocity of OpenStack adoption versus the press they received.
Press Mentions of OpenStack over time - http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=openstack
Activity - http://activity.openstack.org/data/display/OPNSTK2/All+Projects+Activity+Dashboard+-+Last+30+Days?src=contextnavchildmode
If you mapped their activity and overlaid it with press mentions I think you’d effectively make your point.
I wish that there was a compelling CloudStack way to support your hypothesis but I don’t see it.
Regards,
Mark
On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>> wrote:
I'm submitting an OSCON Ignite talk in a couple of hours about "Why your
project's brand is more important than the code" and it occurred to me
(since I still have one blank slide, and my deadline looms in a few
hours to submit slides) that CloudStack vs. OpenStack would be a good
example in some ways.
I already have some slides on "how do you choose a new product in a new
technical area you haven't worked in", and think that adding a third
slide on how OpenStack would come to the top if you were rating them
both on brand impressions, but CloudStack would come out on top if you
were looking at the code or seeing the actual real-world running code
impacts.
Existing slides:
- So you're a database person who needs to break into front end design.
There are all these JS frameworks to choose from (logos around person).
How do you choose?
- You don't have time to read all the code of all of them, so you
optimize - you choose a shortlist to download evals and build code demos
of a couple, and then choose one from there. But how did you optimize
your shortlist? You relied on the brand impression from all the JS
frameworks to choose the shortlist.
- Potential new slide: OpenStack and CloudStack logos opposing each other)
For example, which of these two has a better impression in your mind,
right now, right here?
The suits here almost certainly said OpenStack; a much stronger brand.
But CloudStack has the better code / more deploys / what???
Anyone want to give me 10 seconds of script to talk up here about the
difference?
Please cc: me since I'm not on this list.
- Shane
Re: Key talking points CS vs OS?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sally Khudairi
<sa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Shane --if you remember our media training, it's important that we remain vendor (and solutions!)-neutral.
>
+1 - I was thinking about how to best answer Shane's questions, and
this concern was at the top of my mind.
> I'm not aware of any side-by-side comparison charts between CloudStack and OpenStack that's being used in public.
>
> I have created a tearsheet on Apache CloudStack that may be of interest/use to you. I'm pasting below; do let me know if you'd prefer I send it over as an attachment.
Shane, Sally's info below should be good info for you.
If I were in your shoes, I'd avoid making a claim that one is better
than the other. While we are certainly working to raise *awareness*
of CloudStack (given the noise of OS), we don't want to spend cycles
"competing" with that project. That said, this is certainly a good
oppt to raise some awareness.
So... The point that I'd make is that we have *many users* that are
happily using the project in production (as does OS). We get the
question on users@ about "why should I pick CloudStack instead of
OpenStack?" on a semi-regular basis. The community is pretty
consistent about answering with "Test them both, then decide." or
"Pick the one that meets your requirements with the minimum of effort
on your part.". In a way, I'd make that the point of the slide...
Brand is critical to be considered, but the point of making a
technical decision should be that it needs to be, in fact, a technical
decision (with an eye to community viability). Don't let marketing
hype hurt your decision making process.
>
> Cheers & chat soon,
> Sally
>
> = = =
>
> Introducing Apache CloudStack™
> The mature, Open Source turnkey software platform for creating Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) cloud computing in private-, public-, and hybrid cloud environments.
> Faster to the Cloud
> As organizations move towards cloud computing services to alleviate the burden of managing/maintaining legacy systems, equipment, and networking, many are choosing IaaS solutions to help reduce costs whilst minimizing business layer repercussions. ZDNet projects that enterprises will spend $650M for enterprise public cloud IaaS by 2018.
> To facilitate the cloud transition, IaaS combines compute and cloud storage, where the hardware (or virtual machines), computing power, cooling, and networking are outsourced; users of IaaS solutions control the stack required to operate it, such as the operating system, virtual machines, storage, database servers, Web servers, load-balancing, monitoring, reporting, logging, middleware, hardware/software upgrades, patches, security fixes, licensing, etc.
> The cloud offers massive computing power. The challenge, however, is that many of today's cloud management platforms are cumbersome and difficult to deploy, making it an often frustrating and resource-intensive investment.
> Apache CloudStack is designed to deploy quickly and manage large networks of virtual machines as a highly available, highly scalable cloud computing platform. CloudStack integrates easily with other technologies, and includes the entire "stack" of features most organizations are seeking with an IaaS cloud:
> elegant, Java-based framework
> compute orchestration
> advanced Network-as-a-Service functionality
> user and account management
> a full and open native API (compatible with Amazon Web Services Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) for organizations that wish to deploy hybrid clouds)
> resource accounting
> choice of first-class User Interface, command line tools, or full-featured RESTful API to delegate and create self-service offerings
> scalability (production instances with greater than 40,000 hosts in geographically-distributed environments)
> user-led development and deployment documentation
> supports the most popular hypervisors (including VMware, KVM, XenServer, Xen Cloud Platform (XCP), and Hyper-V to run the virtual machines as guests)
> Apache CloudStack: The Cloud That Just Works!
> "CloudStack is gaining better 'real world' adoption … because it's actually usable in its current form without special effort"
> –Gartner Group
> Apache CloudStack is widely used in production by many service providers to set up on-demand, elastic public cloud computing services, as well as enterprises to set up a private or hybrid cloud for use by their own employees. In addition, CloudStack is available to individuals and organizations that wish to study and implement an IaaS for personal, educational, and/or production use.
> Apache CloudStack users power billions of dollars' worth of business transactions annually across their clouds, and benefit from:
> Proven technology –CloudStack is among the earliest IaaS solutions developed, with many long-term, large deployments that prove its stability and scalability
> Stable codebase –the latest release reflects more than 1.5M lines of code from 170 contributors
> Easy deployment –a Fortune 50 multinational had CloudStack up, running, and usable within in a single day, as opposed to weeks using competing IaaS solutions
> Highly scalable –CloudStack’s orchestration platforms have been used to scale to more than 240 million users
> Flexibility –CloudStack is designed to handle the spectrum of application/cloud styles that span "legacy virtualization" through "cloud-native" style workloads, depending on how the cloud operator designs the infrastructure environment(s) and configures CloudStack to offer services
> Reliability –CloudStack accommodates for redundancy and resiliency, providing faster recovery and response time; Europe’s first CloudStack deployment has been running consecutively for over 14 months at 100% uptime
> Robust community –openly developed "The Apache Way", CloudStack is overseen by a diverse, active, meritocratic community
> CloudStack originated at Cloud.com, which was acquired by Citrix in 2011. CloudStack was submitted to the Apache Incubator in April 2012 and graduated as an Apache Software Foundation Top-level Project in March 2013.
> Global Footprint
> Since its introduction nearly six years ago, Apache CloudStack has become the go-to Open Source platform for a wide range of users such as 1 degreenorth, 5th Planet, Accudata Systems, Acentrix, ActiveEon, Add Value, Alcatel-Lucent, Amdocs, Amysta, Anolim, Apalia, Appcara, Appcore, Appdel, Appfirst, AppSphere, Ascenty, ASG, AST Modular, Autodesk, AXEKA, Axelaris, Backbone Technology, BT Cloud, BT Engage IT, Bechtle AG, Bell Canada, BigRED Group, Business Connexion, CA Technologies, CANCOM, Caringo, Centracon, CentralWay, Chef (Opscode), China Telecom, Citrix, Clavis IT, Cloud3, CloudCentral, Cloudera, Cloudian, CloudOps, Cloudsoft Corporation, Colt, COMBIS, COMLINE Computer + Softwarelösungen, COMPAREX, Comping, Computer Services Group, Contegix, Control Circle, Convergence Group, CumuLogic, Datacentrix, DataPipe, DBR360, Dell, Digital China Advanced Systems, Disney, DU, e-Contact, Edmunds.com, Encloud, Ennit, EnterpriseDB, Entisys Solutions, Evry, EXA
> Serve, Exoscale, Experteq IT Services, FPG Technologies & Solutions, Fritz & Macziol, Fujitsu FIP Corporation, GigaSpaces Technologies, Globo.com, GreenQloud, Grid'5000, Gridstore, Haaga Helia, Hillstone Networks, Hokkaido University, Homeaway, Hostbill, Host.net, Huawei, IDC Frontier, Ikoula, IndiQus Technologies, InMobi, ISWest, Janz IT, Joe’s Cloud Computing, Juniper Networks, KDDI, KIVBF, KocSistem, Kommunale Informatoinsverarbeitung Baden-Franken, KT/Korea Telecom, Kumo, Kyuden Infocom, Kyushu University, LCS, LeaseWeb, Logicworks, Makro Factory oHG, MCPc, Microland Ltd, MittelstandsCLOUD, MK Netzdienste, NAMU Tech, NEOS, NetStandard, Networkers AG, Nokia, NTT, NVision Group, OpenERP, Orange, OverBright, Ozona Consulting, PCextreme, PosAm, PPTV, PromonLogicalis, Proteus, Quality Software/Hostbill, RealCloud (PKN), RedBridge, Redapt, RightScale, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT), Safe Swiss Cloud, SAP, Scalr, Schuberg Philis,
> ScienceLogic, SCSK, sepago GmbH, ShapeBlue, Shopzilla, Slovak Telekom, SoftLayer, SoftwareONE, SolidFire Storage, SSI, StackIQ, Stratosec, SunGard AS, SwiftStack, Taiwan Mobile, Targus Technologies, Tata, TNTG Limited, Trader Media Group, Trend Micro/TCloud Computing, Tendril, TomTom, UniSystems, University of Melbourne, University of Sao Paolo, UShareSoft, Verio, Verizon, Vision Solutions, VMTurbo, X-IO Technologies, Xtendsys, WebMD, Zajil Telecom, Zenoss, and Zynga, among others.
> Products + Availability
> The latest Apache CloudStack release is v4.3.0, which reflects dozens of new features, bug fixes, and documentation updates. Apache CloudStack CloudMonkey v5.1.0 is the latest feature release of its command line interface tool. As with all Apache products, Apache CloudStack software is released under the Apache License v2.0.
> Governance and Oversight
> Apache CloudStack is overseen by a self-selected team of active contributors to the project. A Project Management Committee (PMC) guides the Project's day-to-day operations, including community development and product releases.
> Get Involved!
> Underscoring the ASF's edict of "Community over Code", Apache CloudStack boasts a very diverse and open community comprising participants from around the globe. All contributors are on an equal footing, whether they are writing code or helping with other aspects of the project.
> The many ways to get involved with the Apache CloudStack community include participating online on mailing lists as well as attending face-to-face MeetUps, developer trainings, and user events. Information on the CloudStack community can be found at http://cloudstack.apache.org/ and @CloudStack on Twitter.
> Catch CloudStack in action at the next CloudStack Collaboration Conference, the official user/developer conference of the Apache CloudStack community, taking place November 19 - 21, 2014, in tandem with ApacheCon Europe. To register and for more information, visit http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-europe and follow conference updates at @CCCEU14 on Twitter.
> About Apache CloudStack
> Apache CloudStack is a mature, turnkey integrated Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) Open Source software platform that allows users to build feature-rich public and private cloud environments. Hailed by Gartner Group as "a solid product", CloudStack includes an intuitive user interface and rich APIs for managing the compute, networking, software, and storage infrastructure resources. CloudStack entered the Apache Incubator in April 2012 and became an Apache Top-level Project in March 2013. For downloads, documentation, and ways to become involved with Apache CloudStack, visit http://cloudstack.apache.org/ and https://twitter.com/CloudStack
> About The Apache Software Foundation (ASF)
> Apache products power half the Internet, exabytes of data, teraflops of operations, billions of objects, and enhance the lives of countless users and developers world-wide. Established in 1999 to shepherd, develop, and incubate Open Source innovations "The Apache Way", the ASF oversees 170+ projects led by an all-volunteer community of over 400 individual Members and 3,500 Committers across six continents. For more information, visit http://www.apache.org/ or follow @TheASF on Twitter.
> # # #
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> Contact
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> [FULL NAME]
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>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>>To: Awesome Apache CloudStack Marketers <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014, 9:34
>>Subject: Key talking points CS vs OS?
>>
>>
>>I'm submitting an OSCON Ignite talk in a couple of hours about "Why your
>>project's brand is more important than the code" and it occurred to me
>>(since I still have one blank slide, and my deadline looms in a few
>>hours to submit slides) that CloudStack vs. OpenStack would be a good
>>example in some ways.
>>
>>I already have some slides on "how do you choose a new product in a new
>>technical area you haven't worked in", and think that adding a third
>>slide on how OpenStack would come to the top if you were rating them
>>both on brand impressions, but CloudStack would come out on top if you
>>were looking at the code or seeing the actual real-world running code
>>impacts.
>>
>>Existing slides:
>>- So you're a database person who needs to break into front end design.
>>There are all these JS frameworks to choose from (logos around person).
>>How do you choose?
>>
>>- You don't have time to read all the code of all of them, so you
>>optimize - you choose a shortlist to download evals and build code demos
>>of a couple, and then choose one from there. But how did you optimize
>>your shortlist? You relied on the brand impression from all the JS
>>frameworks to choose the shortlist.
>>
>>- Potential new slide: OpenStack and CloudStack logos opposing each other)
>>For example, which of these two has a better impression in your mind,
>>right now, right here?
>>
>>The suits here almost certainly said OpenStack; a much stronger brand.
>>But CloudStack has the better code / more deploys / what???
>>
>>Anyone want to give me 10 seconds of script to talk up here about the
>>difference?
>>
>>Please cc: me since I'm not on this list.
>>
>>- Shane
>>
>>
>>
Re: Key talking points CS vs OS?
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>.
Thanks, Shane --if you remember our media training, it's important that we remain vendor (and solutions!)-neutral.
I'm not aware of any side-by-side comparison charts between CloudStack and OpenStack that's being used in public.
I have created a tearsheet on Apache CloudStack that may be of interest/use to you. I'm pasting below; do let me know if you'd prefer I send it over as an attachment.
Cheers & chat soon,
Sally
= = =
Introducing Apache CloudStack™
The mature, Open Source turnkey software platform for creating Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) cloud computing in private-, public-, and hybrid cloud environments.
Faster to the Cloud
As organizations move towards cloud computing services to alleviate the burden of managing/maintaining legacy systems, equipment, and networking, many are choosing IaaS solutions to help reduce costs whilst minimizing business layer repercussions. ZDNet projects that enterprises will spend $650M for enterprise public cloud IaaS by 2018.
To facilitate the cloud transition, IaaS combines compute and cloud storage, where the hardware (or virtual machines), computing power, cooling, and networking are outsourced; users of IaaS solutions control the stack required to operate it, such as the operating system, virtual machines, storage, database servers, Web servers, load-balancing, monitoring, reporting, logging, middleware, hardware/software upgrades, patches, security fixes, licensing, etc.
The cloud offers massive computing power. The challenge, however, is that many of today's cloud management platforms are cumbersome and difficult to deploy, making it an often frustrating and resource-intensive investment.
Apache CloudStack is designed to deploy quickly and manage large networks of virtual machines as a highly available, highly scalable cloud computing platform. CloudStack integrates easily with other technologies, and includes the entire "stack" of features most organizations are seeking with an IaaS cloud:
elegant, Java-based framework
compute orchestration
advanced Network-as-a-Service functionality
user and account management
a full and open native API (compatible with Amazon Web Services Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) for organizations that wish to deploy hybrid clouds)
resource accounting
choice of first-class User Interface, command line tools, or full-featured RESTful API to delegate and create self-service offerings
scalability (production instances with greater than 40,000 hosts in geographically-distributed environments)
user-led development and deployment documentation
supports the most popular hypervisors (including VMware, KVM, XenServer, Xen Cloud Platform (XCP), and Hyper-V to run the virtual machines as guests)
Apache CloudStack: The Cloud That Just Works!
"CloudStack is gaining better 'real world' adoption … because it's actually usable in its current form without special effort"
–Gartner Group
Apache CloudStack is widely used in production by many service providers to set up on-demand, elastic public cloud computing services, as well as enterprises to set up a private or hybrid cloud for use by their own employees. In addition, CloudStack is available to individuals and organizations that wish to study and implement an IaaS for personal, educational, and/or production use.
Apache CloudStack users power billions of dollars' worth of business transactions annually across their clouds, and benefit from:
Proven technology –CloudStack is among the earliest IaaS solutions developed, with many long-term, large deployments that prove its stability and scalability
Stable codebase –the latest release reflects more than 1.5M lines of code from 170 contributors
Easy deployment –a Fortune 50 multinational had CloudStack up, running, and usable within in a single day, as opposed to weeks using competing IaaS solutions
Highly scalable –CloudStack’s orchestration platforms have been used to scale to more than 240 million users
Flexibility –CloudStack is designed to handle the spectrum of application/cloud styles that span "legacy virtualization" through "cloud-native" style workloads, depending on how the cloud operator designs the infrastructure environment(s) and configures CloudStack to offer services
Reliability –CloudStack accommodates for redundancy and resiliency, providing faster recovery and response time; Europe’s first CloudStack deployment has been running consecutively for over 14 months at 100% uptime
Robust community –openly developed "The Apache Way", CloudStack is overseen by a diverse, active, meritocratic community
CloudStack originated at Cloud.com, which was acquired by Citrix in 2011. CloudStack was submitted to the Apache Incubator in April 2012 and graduated as an Apache Software Foundation Top-level Project in March 2013.
Global Footprint
Since its introduction nearly six years ago, Apache CloudStack has become the go-to Open Source platform for a wide range of users such as 1 degreenorth, 5th Planet, Accudata Systems, Acentrix, ActiveEon, Add Value, Alcatel-Lucent, Amdocs, Amysta, Anolim, Apalia, Appcara, Appcore, Appdel, Appfirst, AppSphere, Ascenty, ASG, AST Modular, Autodesk, AXEKA, Axelaris, Backbone Technology, BT Cloud, BT Engage IT, Bechtle AG, Bell Canada, BigRED Group, Business Connexion, CA Technologies, CANCOM, Caringo, Centracon, CentralWay, Chef (Opscode), China Telecom, Citrix, Clavis IT, Cloud3, CloudCentral, Cloudera, Cloudian, CloudOps, Cloudsoft Corporation, Colt, COMBIS, COMLINE Computer + Softwarelösungen, COMPAREX, Comping, Computer Services Group, Contegix, Control Circle, Convergence Group, CumuLogic, Datacentrix, DataPipe, DBR360, Dell, Digital China Advanced Systems, Disney, DU, e-Contact, Edmunds.com, Encloud, Ennit, EnterpriseDB, Entisys Solutions, Evry, EXA
Serve, Exoscale, Experteq IT Services, FPG Technologies & Solutions, Fritz & Macziol, Fujitsu FIP Corporation, GigaSpaces Technologies, Globo.com, GreenQloud, Grid'5000, Gridstore, Haaga Helia, Hillstone Networks, Hokkaido University, Homeaway, Hostbill, Host.net, Huawei, IDC Frontier, Ikoula, IndiQus Technologies, InMobi, ISWest, Janz IT, Joe’s Cloud Computing, Juniper Networks, KDDI, KIVBF, KocSistem, Kommunale Informatoinsverarbeitung Baden-Franken, KT/Korea Telecom, Kumo, Kyuden Infocom, Kyushu University, LCS, LeaseWeb, Logicworks, Makro Factory oHG, MCPc, Microland Ltd, MittelstandsCLOUD, MK Netzdienste, NAMU Tech, NEOS, NetStandard, Networkers AG, Nokia, NTT, NVision Group, OpenERP, Orange, OverBright, Ozona Consulting, PCextreme, PosAm, PPTV, PromonLogicalis, Proteus, Quality Software/Hostbill, RealCloud (PKN), RedBridge, Redapt, RightScale, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT), Safe Swiss Cloud, SAP, Scalr, Schuberg Philis,
ScienceLogic, SCSK, sepago GmbH, ShapeBlue, Shopzilla, Slovak Telekom, SoftLayer, SoftwareONE, SolidFire Storage, SSI, StackIQ, Stratosec, SunGard AS, SwiftStack, Taiwan Mobile, Targus Technologies, Tata, TNTG Limited, Trader Media Group, Trend Micro/TCloud Computing, Tendril, TomTom, UniSystems, University of Melbourne, University of Sao Paolo, UShareSoft, Verio, Verizon, Vision Solutions, VMTurbo, X-IO Technologies, Xtendsys, WebMD, Zajil Telecom, Zenoss, and Zynga, among others.
Products + Availability
The latest Apache CloudStack release is v4.3.0, which reflects dozens of new features, bug fixes, and documentation updates. Apache CloudStack CloudMonkey v5.1.0 is the latest feature release of its command line interface tool. As with all Apache products, Apache CloudStack software is released under the Apache License v2.0.
Governance and Oversight
Apache CloudStack is overseen by a self-selected team of active contributors to the project. A Project Management Committee (PMC) guides the Project's day-to-day operations, including community development and product releases.
Get Involved!
Underscoring the ASF's edict of "Community over Code", Apache CloudStack boasts a very diverse and open community comprising participants from around the globe. All contributors are on an equal footing, whether they are writing code or helping with other aspects of the project.
The many ways to get involved with the Apache CloudStack community include participating online on mailing lists as well as attending face-to-face MeetUps, developer trainings, and user events. Information on the CloudStack community can be found at http://cloudstack.apache.org/ and @CloudStack on Twitter.
Catch CloudStack in action at the next CloudStack Collaboration Conference, the official user/developer conference of the Apache CloudStack community, taking place November 19 - 21, 2014, in tandem with ApacheCon Europe. To register and for more information, visit http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudstack-collaboration-conference-europe and follow conference updates at @CCCEU14 on Twitter.
About Apache CloudStack
Apache CloudStack is a mature, turnkey integrated Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS) Open Source software platform that allows users to build feature-rich public and private cloud environments. Hailed by Gartner Group as "a solid product", CloudStack includes an intuitive user interface and rich APIs for managing the compute, networking, software, and storage infrastructure resources. CloudStack entered the Apache Incubator in April 2012 and became an Apache Top-level Project in March 2013. For downloads, documentation, and ways to become involved with Apache CloudStack, visit http://cloudstack.apache.org/ and https://twitter.com/CloudStack
About The Apache Software Foundation (ASF)
Apache products power half the Internet, exabytes of data, teraflops of operations, billions of objects, and enhance the lives of countless users and developers world-wide. Established in 1999 to shepherd, develop, and incubate Open Source innovations "The Apache Way", the ASF oversees 170+ projects led by an all-volunteer community of over 400 individual Members and 3,500 Committers across six continents. For more information, visit http://www.apache.org/ or follow @TheASF on Twitter.
# # #
© The Apache Software Foundation. "Apache", "CloudStack", "Apache CloudStack", the Apache CloudStack logo, and the Apache CloudStack Cloud Monkey logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation. All other brands and trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
Contact
Apache CloudStack
[FULL NAME]
[telephone number with country code]
marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
>________________________________
> From: Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>
>To: Awesome Apache CloudStack Marketers <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
>Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014, 9:34
>Subject: Key talking points CS vs OS?
>
>
>I'm submitting an OSCON Ignite talk in a couple of hours about "Why your
>project's brand is more important than the code" and it occurred to me
>(since I still have one blank slide, and my deadline looms in a few
>hours to submit slides) that CloudStack vs. OpenStack would be a good
>example in some ways.
>
>I already have some slides on "how do you choose a new product in a new
>technical area you haven't worked in", and think that adding a third
>slide on how OpenStack would come to the top if you were rating them
>both on brand impressions, but CloudStack would come out on top if you
>were looking at the code or seeing the actual real-world running code
>impacts.
>
>Existing slides:
>- So you're a database person who needs to break into front end design.
>There are all these JS frameworks to choose from (logos around person).
>How do you choose?
>
>- You don't have time to read all the code of all of them, so you
>optimize - you choose a shortlist to download evals and build code demos
>of a couple, and then choose one from there. But how did you optimize
>your shortlist? You relied on the brand impression from all the JS
>frameworks to choose the shortlist.
>
>- Potential new slide: OpenStack and CloudStack logos opposing each other)
>For example, which of these two has a better impression in your mind,
>right now, right here?
>
>The suits here almost certainly said OpenStack; a much stronger brand.
>But CloudStack has the better code / more deploys / what???
>
>Anyone want to give me 10 seconds of script to talk up here about the
>difference?
>
>Please cc: me since I'm not on this list.
>
>- Shane
>
>
>