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Posted to dev@wookie.apache.org by Scott Wilson <sc...@gmail.com> on 2009/08/10 18:06:15 UTC
Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Hi everyone,
JISC (UK university funding agency) are organising a one day "Widgets
Barcamp" in October for developers to create new W3C Widgets. Apache
Wookie will feature heavily as the platform used at the event, and
I'll be going along as a facilitator/speaker. It's currently pencilled
in for 12th October in London; I'll put up more details when they're
confirmed.
Here's the question for mentors - one of the organisers has asked me
whether it would be appropriate to jointly badge the event as an "JISC/
Apache Wookie" barcamp. How would this sit with the use of the Apache
brand?
S
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Scott Wilson wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> JISC (UK university funding agency) are organising a one day "Widgets
> Barcamp" in October for developers to create new W3C Widgets. Apache
> Wookie will feature heavily as the platform used at the event, and
> I'll be going along as a facilitator/speaker. It's currently pencilled
> in for 12th October in London; I'll put up more details when they're
> confirmed.
>
> Here's the question for mentors - one of the organisers has asked me
> whether it would be appropriate to jointly badge the event as an
> "JISC/Apache Wookie" barcamp. How would this sit with the use of the
> Apache brand?
The use of the Apache brand for an incubating project is a very delicate
subject, as it's not yet a real Apache project, and may never be if the
incubation fails. Also, remember that a project proposal includes a
section about "excessive fascination with the Apache brand", as we've
seen contributors to incubating projects abusing it.
So until graduation, every public mention of an incubating project must
clearly indicate its status by using something like "Incubating Apache
Wookie" as its name. And even so, naming the event "JISC/Incubating
Apache Wookie barcamp" seems to me like showing the Apache brand too
much so early in the project (even in october).
Now Wookie as a project and as a name has existed before incubation at
Apache, and there's absolutely no problem with naming the event
"JISC/Wookie barcamp" and mentioning clear and loud during the event
that Wookie is in the process of becoming an Apache project.
What do other mentors think?
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
> Finally on a related topic I'm looking at putting a Shindig/Project
> SocialSite/Wookie meetup together at Apachecon. Who on this list will
> be there?
I still need a final confirmation, but I should be there.
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez - http://bluxte.net
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> Finally on a related topic I'm looking at putting a Shindig/Project
> SocialSite/Wookie meetup together at Apachecon. Who on this list will be
> there?
>
I'll be there.
Ate
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Scott Wilson <sc...@gmail.com>.
Thanks everyone for your advice - I think an open event would
definitely be preferable; I've invited the organisers to join the list
so they can discuss it directly with us here.
On 11 Aug 2009, at 11:21, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The first thing to decide is whether you want to engage ConCom and
> thus get approval for the use of ASF trademarks. In return we can call
> on ConCom and PRC to help publicise the event through the official ASF
> channels. Note that this will mean the event is open to the public as
> a whole. Does the JISC (your current sponsor) wish to target this
> event at a specific group of people or are they happy for it to be
> opened up to the general public.
>
> From my point of view both as a mentor and an advisor to the academic
> sector in the UK, I would strongly encourage the event to be open to
> the wider public. We can either seek additional sponsorship to cover
> costs outside the academic sector or we can charge non-academic
> participants a fee to cover additional variable costs. The key here is
> to develop a sustainable community and engaging with the commercial as
> well as academic sectors is a very important part of that.
>
> Ross
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportedEvents
> [2] http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportWorkflow
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>.
2009/8/10 Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>:
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Scott
>> Wilson<sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> JISC (UK university funding agency) are organising a one day "Widgets
>>> Barcamp" in October for developers to create new W3C Widgets. Apache
>>> Wookie
>>> will feature heavily as the platform used at the event, and I'll be going
>>> along as a facilitator/speaker. It's currently pencilled in for 12th
>>> October
>>> in London; I'll put up more details when they're confirmed.
>>>
>>> Here's the question for mentors - one of the organisers has asked me
>>> whether
>>> it would be appropriate to jointly badge the event as an "JISC/Apache
>>> Wookie" barcamp. How would this sit with the use of the Apache brand?
...
> With respect to Getting the conference commuter involved they already are
> since I'm a member of ConCom and my focus is on the creation of smaller
> events. To be able to use the Apache brand we need approval from ConCom
> (note Sylvain's comments too). Don't worry it's a lightweight process for
> these kinds of events. More details when I'm on a proper keyboard.
The process of getting approval from ConCom is in development at
present, fortunately I'm writing it so information that is not yet
documented [1][2] is largely in my head.
It's intended to be a lightweight process that brings the full backing
of ConCom and the ASF brand to the event. Projects are free to run
their own events, but they cannot use the Apache trademarks without
approval from ConCom (and hence PRC). Approval is sought through
concom@apache.org (I'll be the go-between there if you want to invovle
ConCom).
I note that (in ASF terms) this event is not a BarCamp since it has a
specific topic of interest at BarCampApache events anyone can talk
about anything, this event is actually a MeetUp, which is
project/topic specific.
The first thing to decide is whether you want to engage ConCom and
thus get approval for the use of ASF trademarks. In return we can call
on ConCom and PRC to help publicise the event through the official ASF
channels. Note that this will mean the event is open to the public as
a whole. Does the JISC (your current sponsor) wish to target this
event at a specific group of people or are they happy for it to be
opened up to the general public.
>From my point of view both as a mentor and an advisor to the academic
sector in the UK, I would strongly encourage the event to be open to
the wider public. We can either seek additional sponsorship to cover
costs outside the academic sector or we can charge non-academic
participants a fee to cover additional variable costs. The key here is
to develop a sustainable community and engaging with the commercial as
well as academic sectors is a very important part of that.
Ross
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportedEvents
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/concom-planning/ConComSupportWorkflow
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Ross
Gardler<ro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Finally on a related topic I'm looking at putting a Shindig/Project
> SocialSite/Wookie meetup together at Apachecon. Who on this list will be
> there?
>
> Ross
>
I'll be at ACUS and have plans to participate on the meetup.
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>.
Scott,
I will help with the barcamp stuff, no problem there.
With respect to Getting the conference commuter involved they already
are since I'm a member of ConCom and my focus is on the creation of
smaller events. To be able to use the Apache brand we need approval
from ConCom (note Sylvain's comments too). Don't worry it's a
lightweight process for these kinds of events. More details when I'm
on a proper keyboard.
Finally on a related topic I'm looking at putting a Shindig/Project
SocialSite/Wookie meetup together at Apachecon. Who on this list will
be there?
Ross
Sent from my mobile device.
On 10 Aug 2009, at 17:16, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Scott
> Wilson<sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> JISC (UK university funding agency) are organising a one day "Widgets
>> Barcamp" in October for developers to create new W3C Widgets.
>> Apache Wookie
>> will feature heavily as the platform used at the event, and I'll be
>> going
>> along as a facilitator/speaker. It's currently pencilled in for
>> 12th October
>> in London; I'll put up more details when they're confirmed.
>>
>> Here's the question for mentors - one of the organisers has asked
>> me whether
>> it would be appropriate to jointly badge the event as an "JISC/Apache
>> Wookie" barcamp. How would this sit with the use of the Apache brand?
>>
>
> I think Ross would be able to give specific details as he recently
> organized a BarCamp, but in order to make an event to use the Apache
> brand, you will need to contact the concom@a.o mailing list with a
> proposal and make sure they agree and allow the Apache brand to be
> used.
>
>
>
> --
> Luciano Resende
> Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: Widgets barcamp (and a question for mentors)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Scott
Wilson<sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> JISC (UK university funding agency) are organising a one day "Widgets
> Barcamp" in October for developers to create new W3C Widgets. Apache Wookie
> will feature heavily as the platform used at the event, and I'll be going
> along as a facilitator/speaker. It's currently pencilled in for 12th October
> in London; I'll put up more details when they're confirmed.
>
> Here's the question for mentors - one of the organisers has asked me whether
> it would be appropriate to jointly badge the event as an "JISC/Apache
> Wookie" barcamp. How would this sit with the use of the Apache brand?
>
I think Ross would be able to give specific details as he recently
organized a BarCamp, but in order to make an event to use the Apache
brand, you will need to contact the concom@a.o mailing list with a
proposal and make sure they agree and allow the Apache brand to be
used.
--
Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/