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Posted to dev@trafodion.apache.org by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com> on 2015/05/28 02:13:55 UTC
We need Confluence Wiki
Hello,
We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current JIRA @ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
Cheers,
Alice
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Moran, Amanda" <am...@hp.com>.
Hi there All-
I was able to sign up for the wiki... and now I can see the Trafodion site.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
Amanda Kay
Moran
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:41 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
The wiki was setup yesterday here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
(smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) < steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi Alice,
>
> As best I can tell from the page:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>
> An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent
> ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you have
> N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>
> And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>
> Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is:
> steve.varnau
>
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > JIRA @
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
>
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
Roman,
The DCS and WMS components of Trafodion use Maven site plugin, with asciidoc source files, to generate a "docs" directory containing .html, javadocs, etc. That gets plugged into existing Trafodion website as a link to the "docs" directory. Trafodion CORE is wholly edited in the existing website.
Thanks,
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
Shall we ask for pubsub to be set up for T8 then? Once setup, you could
publish a simple page first while you mess with maven site. My guess is
that it wil will take a while to get it all right (maven is like that). You
could be publishing as you go.
Let me know and I'll ask INFRA.
Thanks,
St.Ack
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com>
wrote:
> Welcome. Just keep in mind that DCS/WMS no longer produce websites, just
> their reference guide documentation. If you want to see full website output
> download HBase 0.94 source or a more recent release and "mvn site". Then
> look at "doc" directory and you'll see everything I mentioned. Let me know
> if I can help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 7:01 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Thanks for the info Matt. I'll try playing around with this.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:55 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Sorry, I didn't answer your second question. The Maven site for DCS and
> WMS are local to their respective directories so their builds should be
> unaffected.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are
> also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect
> the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the
> evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven
> site plugin work I can add help explain.
>
> -Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Roman Shaposhnik
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS,
> but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step
> required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a
> designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and
> beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com>
> wrote:
> > I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it
> for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out
> except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports
> e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc.
> automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki
> (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up.
> It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses
> an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to
> publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update
> content without using the GUI if needed.
> >
> > The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a
> site. For instance :
> >
> > a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this
> will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm
> just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> > b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would
> want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems
> like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But
> if one follows the link on that site to
> http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it
> seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence
> Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is
> rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not.
> Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had
> thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a
> wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to
> migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> > c) Have other tools generate the site
> >
> > Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the
> usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same
> content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need
> both?
> >
> > At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to
> use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although
> if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would
> prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will
> become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is
> that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on
> the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
> >
> > I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little
> deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Stack
> >> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
> >> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >>
> >> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
> >> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
> >> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
> >> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
> >> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
> >> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
> >> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an
> svn system).
> >>
> >> Some outdated notes are here:
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
> >>
> >> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
> >> trafodion in next few hours.
> >>
> >> St.Ack
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> <al...@hp.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello Stack,
> >> >
> >> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> >> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Alice
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> >> > Stack
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
> >> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >> >
> >> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
> >> > i
> >> > on
> >> > +Home
> >> >
> >> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
> >> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
> >> > admin
> >> around.
> >> >
> >> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
> >> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
> >> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
> >> > in moving the site
> >> > over?)
> >> >
> >> > St.Ack
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
> >> > alice.chen@hp.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> >> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Alice
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
> >> > > Of Stack
> >> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> >> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >> > >
> >> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
> >> > >
> >> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
> >> > > pages
> >> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
> >> > >
> >> > > St.Ack
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> >> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi Alice,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
> >> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> >> > > >
> >> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> >> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
> >> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo
> Podling"
> >> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
> >> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> >> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> >> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> >> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
> >> > > > name
> >> is:
> >> > > > steve.varnau
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Steve
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> >> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> >> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hello,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> >> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
> >> > > > > current JIRA @
> >> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > Alice
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
>
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
Welcome. Just keep in mind that DCS/WMS no longer produce websites, just their reference guide documentation. If you want to see full website output download HBase 0.94 source or a more recent release and "mvn site". Then look at "doc" directory and you'll see everything I mentioned. Let me know if I can help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 7:01 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Thanks for the info Matt. I'll try playing around with this.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:55 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Sorry, I didn't answer your second question. The Maven site for DCS and WMS are local to their respective directories so their builds should be unaffected.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Hi Matt,
I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Thanks for the info Matt. I'll try playing around with this.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:55 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Sorry, I didn't answer your second question. The Maven site for DCS and WMS are local to their respective directories so their builds should be unaffected.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Hi Matt,
I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
Sorry, I didn't answer your second question. The Maven site for DCS and WMS are local to their respective directories so their builds should be unaffected.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Hi Matt,
I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
Hi Alice,
This link https://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-site-plugin/ is great but easy to get lost in the forest of information. A quick example; If you look at the old HBase 0.94 source tree you'll see something like the picture below. For that release docbooks is used and you can see all of the HBase reference guide source files in “docbkx”. Further down the tree in the “resources” directory is the container for all the additional files to build the Apache website for HBase. With the help of the site plugin and other plugins, specified in the pom.xml, the “mvn site” command produces a “docs” directory that contains the reference guide .html files, reports, website, etc. A maven plugin does the conversion of the docbkx source files to .html. That directory can then be pushed anywhere. The content produced by the site step is really a function of the plugins you specify in the pom.xml and the content you provide. An advantage is that anyone can add content by modifying the source files, the changes are part of the review process. Moreover there’s no divergence of information between downloaded .tar and the website.
Hope this helps.
-Matt
[cid:image001.jpg@01D09D64.0DFDC650]
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:09 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Hi Matt,
I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com> [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com>> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com> [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com> [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com<ma...@hp.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com> [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com<ma...@hp.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Hi Matt,
I would like to know how the Maven site plugin works. Also, since we are also going to merge all the repositories into 1 repository will this affect the other projects that currently use Maven (dcs, phoenix_test) ?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:03 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS, but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion) <ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and
>> ask Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the
>> Apache CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it
>> will be then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes,
>> though our repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a
>> project, our code will be in git and even our site source will be in
>> git, but when we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafod
>> > i
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the
>> > admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start
>> > in moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
Not proposing it as the solution but just trying to help with the evaluation of the available options. If anyone needs to know how the maven site plugin work I can add help explain.
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: shaposhnik@gmail.com [mailto:shaposhnik@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 6:00 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS,
but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step
required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated
branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is
supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
<ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
>> Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache
>> CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be
>> then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our
>> repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our
>> code will be in git and even our site source will be in git, but when
>> we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodi
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in
>> > moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
If you guys are going the Maven route I'd highly recommend not doing CMS,
but jumping straight into svnpubsub or gitpubsub. With both the only step
required to publish your website is to commit static html pages to a designated
branch either in svn or git. I really like its simplicity and beside ASF CMS is
supposed to go away soon.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Brown, Matt (Trafodion)
<ma...@hp.com> wrote:
> I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
>
> The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
>
> a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
> b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
> c) Have other tools generate the site
>
> Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
>
> At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
>
> I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
>
> -Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Stack
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
>> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>>
>> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
>> Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache
>> CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be
>> then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our
>> repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our
>> code will be in git and even our site source will be in git, but when
>> we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>>
>> Some outdated notes are here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>>
>> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
>> trafodion in next few hours.
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> <al...@hp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Stack,
>> >
>> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Alice
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Stack
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
>> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodi
>> > on
>> > +Home
>> >
>> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
>> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin
>> around.
>> >
>> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
>> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
>> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in
>> > moving the site
>> > over?)
>> >
>> > St.Ack
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
>> > alice.chen@hp.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
>> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Alice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
>> > > Of Stack
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
>> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > >
>> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>> > >
>> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
>> > > pages
>> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>> > >
>> > > St.Ack
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
>> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Alice,
>> > > >
>> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
>> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>> > > >
>> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
>> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
>> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
>> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
>> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>> > > >
>> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
>> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
>> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>> > > >
>> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
>> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
>> > > > name
>> is:
>> > > > steve.varnau
>> > > >
>> > > > -Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
>> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
>> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
>> > > > > current JIRA @
>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > Alice
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Brown, Matt (Trafodion)" <ma...@hp.com>.
I can help explaining how the maven site step works. I used to build it for connectivity but since we didn't use it I recently took all of it out except for the documentation step. Basically it generates all the reports e.g., Javadoc, testing reports, code coverage, documentation, etc. automagically. The connectivity documentation you see today on the wiki (asciidoc), is built by Maven site command.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:34 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
c) Have other tools generate the site
Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
-Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
> Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache
> CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be
> then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our
> repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our
> code will be in git and even our site source will be in git, but when
> we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>
> Some outdated notes are here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>
> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
> trafodion in next few hours.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Stack,
> >
> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stack
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodi
> > on
> > +Home
> >
> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin
> around.
> >
> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in
> > moving the site
> > over?)
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
> > alice.chen@hp.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > > Of Stack
> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> > >
> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
> > >
> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
> > > pages
> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
> > >
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Alice,
> > > >
> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> > > >
> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> > > >
> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> > > >
> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
> > > > name
> is:
> > > > steve.varnau
> > > >
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
> > > > > current JIRA @
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Alice
> > > >
> > >
> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
The CMS does not appear to be too difficult to use after it's set up. It seems to be easier for non-technical folks to contribute since it uses an editor and you can see the changes right away although you don't need to publish the changes right away. It seems to also allow you to update content without using the GUI if needed.
The svnpubsub method lets us use any number of methods to create a site. For instance :
a) Have Maven generates the site (Apache HBase). Not sure how well this will work for us. It also seems complicated. However, it could be I'm just not very familiar with using Maven to generate a website.
b) Have Confluence Wiki exported (Apache Camel). I not sure if we would want to do this. Firstly from http://www.apache.org/dev/cms it seems like Apache Infrastructure wants to phase out Confluence use as a CMS? But if one follows the link on that site to http://www.dankulp.com/blog/2012/03/svnpubsub-for-confluence-sites/ it seems like Apache Infrastructure was able to export content from Confluence Wiki and use svnpubsub to publish the wiki to the project website. It is rather confusing to me whether Confluence Wiki will be phased out or not. Since our current site http://wiki.trafodion.org uses Mediawiki I had thought migrating it to Confluence would be easier since it is also a wiki. But if Confluence is being phased out it doesn't make sense to migrate to Confluence and then have to migrate to Apache CMS later.
c) Have other tools generate the site
Also one other thing I am having a hard time figuring out is what's the usage difference between the wiki and the website. Should it have the same content, different content, why would you use one vs the other, do we need both?
At the moment I'm leaning towards using the CMS since it seems easier to use and there is little possibility it will be phased out soon. Although if we use the CMS I'm not sure if we would still use the wiki. I would prefer if we do not split our documentation all over the place. It will become rather difficult to keep track of it later.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:37 PM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: We need Confluence Wiki
I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
-Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
> Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache
> CMS system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be
> then published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our
> repo is git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our
> code will be in git and even our site source will be in git, but when
> we build the site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>
> Some outdated notes are here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>
> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
> trafodion in next few hours.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Stack,
> >
> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stack
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodi
> > on
> > +Home
> >
> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After
> > a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin
> around.
> >
> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to
> > put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in
> > moving the site
> > over?)
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
> > alice.chen@hp.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > > Of Stack
> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> > >
> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
> > >
> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
> > > pages
> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
> > >
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Alice,
> > > >
> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> > > >
> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond
> > > > mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> > > >
> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> > > >
> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user
> > > > name
> is:
> > > > steve.varnau
> > > >
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our
> > > > > current JIRA @
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Alice
> > > >
> > >
> >
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)" <st...@hp.com>.
I was vaguely aware there are two supported methods. My perception is that CMS is more involved than we need if we have majority of content on the wiki. Is that a valid perception?
I think the only one of us on the trafodion side who has looked a little deeper into these options is Alice. I'd like to hear from her as well.
-Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:27
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
> Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache CMS
> system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be then
> published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our repo is
> git, the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our code will be
> in git and even our site source will be in git, but when we build the
> site and deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
>
> Some outdated notes are here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
>
> Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
> trafodion in next few hours.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> <al...@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Stack,
> >
> > I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org until
> > we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stack
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion
> > +Home
> >
> > Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After a
> > few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin
> around.
> >
> > What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is
> > blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to put
> > here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in
> > moving the site
> > over?)
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
> > alice.chen@hp.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> > > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Stack
> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> > >
> > > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
> > >
> > > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion
> > > pages
> > > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
> > >
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> > > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Alice,
> > > >
> > > > As best I can tell from the page:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> > > >
> > > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > > > If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> > > > lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling"
> > > > parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service.
> > > > (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> > > >
> > > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> > > >
> > > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name
> is:
> > > > steve.varnau
> > > >
> > > > -Steve
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > > > > JIRA @
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Alice
> > > >
> > >
> >
Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
As a project, we need to choose how we want our site published and ask
Apache Infrastructure to set stuff up for us. We can use the Apache CMS
system or we can build the website and check it in and it will be then
published out of svn by apache infrastructure (yes, though our repo is git,
the publishing system uses svn -- so as a project, our code will be in git
and even our site source will be in git, but when we build the site and
deploy it, we'll commit it to an svn system).
Some outdated notes are here: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html
Unless I hear objection, I'll file an issue to set up svnpubsub for
trafodion in next few hours.
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
wrote:
> Hello Stack,
>
> I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org until we
> move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
>
> Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After a few
> have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin around.
>
> What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is blank
> currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to put here till
> site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in moving the site
> over?)
>
> St.Ack
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <
> alice.chen@hp.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> > blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Stack
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
> >
> > I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
> > (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> > steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alice,
> > >
> > > As best I can tell from the page:
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> > >
> > > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > > If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> > > lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent
> > > ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you
> > > have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> > >
> > > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> > >
> > > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is:
> > > steve.varnau
> > >
> > > -Steve
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > > > JIRA @
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Alice
> > >
> >
>
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
Hello Stack,
I can put up something for http://trafodion.incubator.apache.org until we move the site over. What are the steps for doing this?
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:53 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After a few have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin around.
What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is blank currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to put here till site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in moving the site
over?)
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
wrote:
> I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad
> blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>
> I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
> (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alice,
> >
> > As best I can tell from the page:
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> >
> > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> > lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent
> > ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you
> > have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> >
> > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> >
> > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is:
> > steve.varnau
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > > JIRA @
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> >
>
Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
Thanks. Yeah, now it works for me too:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Home
Roman is admin because I did not have a login on confluence. After a few
have accounts on the wiki, we can ping Roman to pass the admin around.
What about this page: http://trafodtion.incubator.apache.org It is blank
currently. We should put something up. Any candidate page to put here till
site gets moved over (or does someone want to start in moving the site
over?)
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Chen, Alice (Trafodion) <al...@hp.com>
wrote:
> I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad blocking
> software before the captcha image would show up.
>
> Cheers,
> Alice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> The wiki was setup yesterday here:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
>
> I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
> (smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
> steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alice,
> >
> > As best I can tell from the page:
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
> >
> > An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> > If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> > lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent
> > ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you have
> > N services, create N sub-tasks.)
> >
> > And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> > wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> > usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
> >
> > Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> > volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is:
> > steve.varnau
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > > JIRA @
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alice
> >
>
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Chen, Alice (Trafodion)" <al...@hp.com>.
I just signed up for the wiki. I had to make sure to turn off ad blocking software before the captcha image would show up.
Cheers,
Alice
-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: We need Confluence Wiki
The wiki was setup yesterday here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
(smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) < steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi Alice,
>
> As best I can tell from the page:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>
> An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing
> lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent
> ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you have
> N services, create N sub-tasks.)
>
> And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence
> usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>
> Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a
> volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is:
> steve.varnau
>
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a
> > Confluence Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current
> > JIRA @
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
>
Re: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.
The wiki was setup yesterday here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9735
I have some questions on the issue because can't find trafodion pages
(smile) and can't figure how to sign in (smile again).
St.Ack
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Varnau, Steve (Trafodion) <
steve.varnau@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi Alice,
>
> As best I can tell from the page:
> http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
>
> An additional sub-task is the way to go:
> If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing lists,
> svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent ticket in
> JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you have N services,
> create N sub-tasks.)
>
> And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
> wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence usernames
> of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
>
> Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a volunteer
> space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is: steve.varnau
>
> -Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> > To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a Confluence
> > Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current JIRA @
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alice
>
RE: We need Confluence Wiki
Posted by "Varnau, Steve (Trafodion)" <st...@hp.com>.
Hi Alice,
As best I can tell from the page: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-podling
An additional sub-task is the way to go:
If additional services need to be created (beyond mailing lists, svn tree, and web site), file one "Create Foo Podling" parent ticket in JIRA and one sub-task ticket for each service. (If you have N services, create N sub-tasks.)
And for confluence wiki, the required info is:
wiki name, destination for commit mails, and confluence usernames of two+ community members - volunteer space admins
Even though I'm not a project committer, I am willing to be a volunteer space admin, if that's allowed. My confluence user name is: steve.varnau
-Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chen, Alice (Trafodion)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 17:14
> To: dev@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: We need Confluence Wiki
>
> Hello,
>
> We decided we need a Confluence wiki. How do we request a Confluence
> Wiki? Do I just need to add a subtask to our current JIRA @
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9697
>
> Cheers,
> Alice