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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Bob Byron <bb...@radit.com> on 1999/08/31 20:10:12 UTC
Re: Any Jakarta news?
Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
contract is signed?
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig R. McClanahan <cm...@mytownnet.com>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Any Jakart news?
Giao Nguyen wrote:
> Craig Day writes:
> > <2c worth>
> >
> > to the jakarta team, i think its better to ship buggy, unfinished
> > code rather than not ship for ages. strike while the iron is hot.
> > there are a lot of potential jsp'ers out there without a platform
> > to write to, and they are all hoping you are it!
> >
> > </2c worth>
>
> I hate to agree with this, but Craig is dead on. For more enlightening
> ideads surrounding this, I suggest you read:
>
> http://www.jwz.org/worse-is-better.html
>
> Giao
>
Before you guys go off half cocked with your assumptions about what is
going on, you might want to review the postings from the Sun folks
regarding the "delay" -- it is NOT based on technical preparedness of the
code, and IS based on Sun attorneys working out the legal arrangements
with the Apache Software Foundation, as well as the legal folks becoming
comfortable with the "there's no going back" aspect of the open source
Apache license terms that the code will be released under.. In addition,
the delay so far has not exceeded the initial very ballpark estimates of
when it would happen.
Craig McClanahan
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Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by James Todd <ja...@eng.sun.com>.
to add a bit, the "tomcat" code base also includes:
a java build env (aka ant) -
which i happen to thoroughly enjoy :)
a build test env (aka moo) -
provides a warm fuzzy for the developer
who is ready to check in a code mod
regarding servlet 2.2, all features have been implemented
and the tests are looking promising. one item i'm toying
with at the moment is to run a webapp from a non-expanded
war (web application archive) file. the "how and why" of
this is a smidgen beyond the scope of the servelt 2.2 spec
but none the less it looks to be viable and i think appealing
to some mid to largish sized dynamic content sites as a
means to more readily manage WebApp mods.
likewise, i believe the jsp 1.1 ri is tracking along nicely
as well.
once i get a couple of fresh cycles i hope to dive back into
the "add a new WebApp without requiring a server bounce" and
other "server configuration issues" which have been discussed
a bit on the tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org list.
hope this helps,
- james
"Craig R. McClanahan" wrote:
>
> Bob Byron wrote:
>
> > Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
> >
>
> The original ballpark estimates were in the announcement EMAIL messages on
> this list by James Duncan Davidson. You can check the mailing list archives
> for details, but the gist of is was "expect to measure the time in weeks,
> not months". My personal interpretation of what that all means has not been
> exceeded yet.
>
> >
> > And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
> > mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
> > contract is signed?
> >
>
> To be nit-picky, "Jakarta" is the name of the project, not the name of the
> software being contributed. The software being contributed includes
> "Tomcat" (servlet engine) and "Jasper" (JSP servlet -- used to be Josper),
> along with the mini-HTTP server that runs them.
>
> The executable versions of this code is already in public use - it's the
> JSWDK 1.0 final release, with support for Servlet 2.1 and JSP 1.0.
> Connectors to Apache or any other web server aren't in JSWDK, but I would
> expect that there's been work being done inside Sun on these things already.
>
> In the mean time, Sun has also indicated that they are working towards
> compatibility with Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1. If they get done before the
> lawyers, it'll probably come out that way -- otherwise, this won't be far
> behind. After all, this is going to be *the* reference implementation of
> servlet and JSP technologies.
>
> Craig McClanahan
>
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Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <du...@x180.com>.
> The executable versions of this code is already in public use - it's the
> JSWDK 1.0 final release, with support for Servlet 2.1 and JSP 1.0.
> Connectors to Apache or any other web server aren't in JSWDK, but I would
> expect that there's been work being done inside Sun on these things already.
Yep. Costin has been hard at work on connecting Tomcat to Apache -- with
a fair degree of showable success. We showed off Apache forwarding
requests to Tomcat at the Monterey conference during our BOF.
> In the mean time, Sun has also indicated that they are working towards
> compatibility with Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1.
Servlet 2.2 is pretty much nailed as far as feature set coverage, JSP
1.1 is coming along, but still has a ways to go.
.duncan
Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cm...@mytownnet.com>.
Bob Byron wrote:
> Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
>
The original ballpark estimates were in the announcement EMAIL messages on
this list by James Duncan Davidson. You can check the mailing list archives
for details, but the gist of is was "expect to measure the time in weeks,
not months". My personal interpretation of what that all means has not been
exceeded yet.
>
> And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
> mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
> contract is signed?
>
To be nit-picky, "Jakarta" is the name of the project, not the name of the
software being contributed. The software being contributed includes
"Tomcat" (servlet engine) and "Jasper" (JSP servlet -- used to be Josper),
along with the mini-HTTP server that runs them.
The executable versions of this code is already in public use - it's the
JSWDK 1.0 final release, with support for Servlet 2.1 and JSP 1.0.
Connectors to Apache or any other web server aren't in JSWDK, but I would
expect that there's been work being done inside Sun on these things already.
In the mean time, Sun has also indicated that they are working towards
compatibility with Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1. If they get done before the
lawyers, it'll probably come out that way -- otherwise, this won't be far
behind. After all, this is going to be *the* reference implementation of
servlet and JSP technologies.
Craig McClanahan
Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by thor hw <th...@echidna.net>.
Hmmm ... I still think it is foolish.
The code drop from Sun is the start of the "real" project, not the end.
Now, there may be some misunderstanding. I have not checked what the new
web pages say. If a million penguins fall over watching a plane cross
over-head, is it still a smart thing to do?
I don't believe wordy, long or short repsonses are nescessary, but certainly
correct terminology. So your "out-in-the-box" is wrong no matter how I read
it, abridged or wordy version.
Thor HW
> As for this thread being foolish, I think the shear volume of
> responses shows the desire to have Jakarta make a release.
>
> I do hope the legal wrangling is over soon.
>
> Bob Byron
> RAD Systems, Inc.
> www.radit.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: thor hw <th...@echidna.net>
> To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Any Jakarta news?
>
>
> Wow ... PLEASE read the archives first.
> It would answer your first question AND tell you what Jakarta is, and
isn't.
>
> Sorry, but this whole thread is getting very foolish.
> Thor HW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Byron <bb...@radit.com>
> To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Any Jakarta news?
>
>
> > Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
> >
> > And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
> > mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
> > contract is signed?
>
>
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Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <du...@x180.com>.
> As for this thread being foolish, I think the shear volume of
> responses shows the desire to have Jakarta make a release.
We hear ya!
> I do hope the legal wrangling is over soon.
I hate saying "me too", but hell -- "me too".
.duncan
Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by Bob Byron <bb...@radit.com>.
I know that Jakarta is the name of a project and did know before
I sent out my email. "in the box" was an expression meaning that
a working version can be made available for download once the
contract is signed. I just made the mistake of saving a few words
not realizing it would be picked apart and I would have to follow-up
with a ridiculously wordy email explaining why I took short cuts in
the first email. It is okay, I can be wordy if necessary. I just
usually find being wordy a waste of time. Hence, my short cut with
the "in the box" phrase. I will confess, however, that I did not read
the archives that contained the projected release date.
As for this thread being foolish, I think the shear volume of
responses shows the desire to have Jakarta make a release.
I do hope the legal wrangling is over soon.
Bob Byron
RAD Systems, Inc.
www.radit.com
----- Original Message -----
From: thor hw <th...@echidna.net>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Any Jakarta news?
Wow ... PLEASE read the archives first.
It would answer your first question AND tell you what Jakarta is, and isn't.
Sorry, but this whole thread is getting very foolish.
Thor HW
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Byron <bb...@radit.com>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Any Jakarta news?
> Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
>
> And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
> mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
> contract is signed?
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Re: Any Jakarta news?
Posted by thor hw <th...@echidna.net>.
Wow ... PLEASE read the archives first.
It would answer your first question AND tell you what Jakarta is, and isn't.
Sorry, but this whole thread is getting very foolish.
Thor HW
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Byron <bb...@radit.com>
To: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Any Jakarta news?
> Okay, so what are the "ballpark estimates" you mentioned.
>
> And, since the emails say this is just a legal thing, does that
> mean that jakarta is in the box and ready to go out the day the
> contract is signed?