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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Leonard Xu <xb...@gmail.com> on 2021/09/03 07:42:55 UTC
[DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Hi, all
The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but there are two issues from my side.
1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new archive service.
WDYT?
Best,
Leonard
[1] The broken Nabble Archive service
dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
user: http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
[2] The new Apache Archive service
dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Leonard Xu <xb...@gmail.com>.
Yes, you’re right, Chesnay.
All history mails are recorded, the new Apache archive shows latest month’s mails by default, the the begin date is 08-03 when we did the migration....
Please Ignore my first concern
Best,
Leonard
> 在 2021年9月3日，15:49，Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> 写道：
>
> 1) Well that's just not true. https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12 <https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12>
>
> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
>> Hi, all
>>
>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but there are two issues from my side.
>>
>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
>>
>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
>>
>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new archive service.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Best,
>> Leonard
>>
>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/> <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>>
>> user: http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/> <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>>
>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/> <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>>
>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org> <https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>>
>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org> <https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>>
>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org> <https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Leonard Xu <xb...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Till & Chesnay
I’m glad to write the announcement, hope we can make the user-zh mail list active again.
Best,
Leonard
> 在 2021年9月3日，16:54，Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> 写道：
>
> +1 for announcing it. Making our users aware of this change is definitely
> helpful. Do you wanna write the announcement Leonard?
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:29 AM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Announcing it cannot hurt I suppose.
>>
>> On 03/09/2021 10:21, Leonard Xu wrote:
>>>> When searching the archives you can specify a date range (to the left
>> of where you input the search term), and it defaults to 1 month into the
>> past.
>>> It works for me, the date range button is a little stealthy, I can
>> search all history mails now.
>>>
>>> About the second case, do you think we need to make an announcement for
>> user/user-zh mail list?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Leonard
>>>
>>>> On 03/09/2021 09:49, Chesnay Schepler wrote:
>>>>> 1) Well that's just not true.
>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end
>> of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but
>> there are two issues from my side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier
>> mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by
>> archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways
>> like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the
>> communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the
>> activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in
>> July) and 238 mails(in August).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails
>> to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
>>>>>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service
>> has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new
>> archive service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Leonard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
>>>>>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/
>> <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
>>>>>> user:
>> http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <
>> http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
>>>>>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <
>> http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
>>>>>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
>>>>>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <
>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org>
>>>>>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <
>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org>
>>>>>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org
>> <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.
+1 for announcing it. Making our users aware of this change is definitely
helpful. Do you wanna write the announcement Leonard?
Cheers,
Till
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:29 AM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
> Announcing it cannot hurt I suppose.
>
> On 03/09/2021 10:21, Leonard Xu wrote:
> >> When searching the archives you can specify a date range (to the left
> of where you input the search term), and it defaults to 1 month into the
> past.
> > It works for me, the date range button is a little stealthy, I can
> search all history mails now.
> >
> > About the second case, do you think we need to make an announcement for
> user/user-zh mail list?
> >
> > Best,
> > Leonard
> >
> >> On 03/09/2021 09:49, Chesnay Schepler wrote:
> >>> 1) Well that's just not true.
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
> >>>
> >>> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
> >>>> Hi, all
> >>>>
> >>>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end
> of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but
> there are two issues from my side.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier
> mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by
> archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways
> like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the
> communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the
> activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in
> July) and 238 mails(in August).
> >>>>
> >>>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails
> to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
> >>>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service
> has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new
> archive service.
> >>>>
> >>>> WDYT?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Leonard
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
> >>>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/
> <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
> >>>> user:
> http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <
> http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
> >>>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <
> http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
> >>>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
> >>>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org>
> >>>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org>
> >>>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org
> <ht...@flink.apache.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
Announcing it cannot hurt I suppose.
On 03/09/2021 10:21, Leonard Xu wrote:
>> When searching the archives you can specify a date range (to the left of where you input the search term), and it defaults to 1 month into the past.
> It works for me, the date range button is a little stealthy, I can search all history mails now.
>
> About the second case, do you think we need to make an announcement for user/user-zh mail list?
>
> Best,
> Leonard
>
>> On 03/09/2021 09:49, Chesnay Schepler wrote:
>>> 1) Well that's just not true. https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
>>>
>>> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
>>>> Hi, all
>>>>
>>>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but there are two issues from my side.
>>>>
>>>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
>>>>
>>>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
>>>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new archive service.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Leonard
>>>>
>>>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
>>>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
>>>> user: http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
>>>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
>>>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
>>>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>>>
>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Leonard Xu <xb...@gmail.com>.
> When searching the archives you can specify a date range (to the left of where you input the search term), and it defaults to 1 month into the past.
It works for me, the date range button is a little stealthy, I can search all history mails now.
About the second case, do you think we need to make an announcement for user/user-zh mail list?
Best,
Leonard
>
> On 03/09/2021 09:49, Chesnay Schepler wrote:
>> 1) Well that's just not true. https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
>>
>> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
>>> Hi, all
>>>
>>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but there are two issues from my side.
>>>
>>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
>>>
>>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
>>>
>>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
>>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new archive service.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Leonard
>>>
>>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
>>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
>>> user: http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
>>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
>>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
>>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
When searching the archives you can specify a date range (to the left of
where you input the search term), and it defaults to 1 month into the past.
On 03/09/2021 09:49, Chesnay Schepler wrote:
> 1) Well that's just not true.
> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
>
> On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
>> Hi, all
>>
>> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end
>> of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd,
>> but there are two issues from my side.
>>
>> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier
>> mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very
>> inconvenient.
>>
>> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by
>> archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to
>> other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not
>> recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And
>> this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491
>> mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
>>
>> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails
>> to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to
>> users.
>> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service
>> has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the
>> new archive service.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Best,
>> Leonard
>>
>> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
>> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/
>> <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
>> user:
>> http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/
>> <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
>> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/
>> <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
>> [2] The new Apache Archive service
>> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org
>> <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org
>> <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org
>> <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] About migrating to new mail list archive service
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
1) Well that's just not true.
https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org:2014-12
On 03/09/2021 09:42, Leonard Xu wrote:
> Hi, all
>
> The mail list archive service Nabble Archive[1] was broken at the end of June, we've replaced it with the Apache archive[2] on August 3rd, but there are two issues from my side.
>
> 1. The new archive only contains mails after 2021-08-03, the earlier mails are lost, users cannot search them anymore, it’s very inconvenient.
>
> 2. Many Chinese users are used to sending mail/searching mails by archive service, with the broken of nabble archive, they move to other ways like Wechat App, DingTalk App, these ways are not recommended because the communication history is hard to record. And this also decreased the activity of the user-zh mail list from 491 mails (in June) to 211 mails(in July) and 238 mails(in August).
>
> I think firstly we need to find a way to add back the history mails to the new Archive service, the history mails are pretty helpful to users.
> And we should also announce that the new mail list archive service has been migrated to Apache archive[2] and suggest users to use the new archive service.
>
>
> WDYT?
>
> Best,
> Leonard
>
> [1] The broken Nabble Archive service
> dev: http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/>
> user: http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink-user-mailing-list-archive.2336050.n4.nabble.com/>
> user-zh: http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/ <http://apache-flink.147419.n8.nabble.com/>
> [2] The new Apache Archive service
> dev: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
> user: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
> user-zh: https://lists.apache.org/list.html?user-zh@flink.apache.org <ht...@flink.apache.org>
>
>