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[DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
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## Description:
Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
(OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
## Activity:
TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases came a
bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered in
3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor enhancements
as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became the
first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would be
likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It is
also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
maintenance.
We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
## Issues:
There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
## Releases:
- 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
- 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
## PMC/Committer:
- Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
- Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
## Links
[1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
[2] https://arcadedb.com/
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
This is the issue that I see. Apache Board (and TinkerPop PMC?) seem to be judging people on conflicting standards.
Why is it that TinkerPop PMC elects an individual who has done little to no work on the project as the PMC. Then, when on the PMC, continues to do nothing. Furthermore, when I questioned you regarding why Josh was on the PMC, you said he tests code. Then when confronted with him simply doing a “fast and easy” VOTE+1 on a .toString() PR from you, the argument for him being here to test code falls apart.
This becomes stranger in that a contributing/founding/50% of the codebase/?80%? of the ideas PMC member is removed for a tweet with a picture of a chicken wearing a WW2 outfit.
This becomes even stranger when Amazon is brought onto the PMC after me being removed AND after you took a job with Amazon.
We both know very well my stance on Amazon’s abuses of OSS, so it appears to me that:
1. Amazon wanted me off the project as they are now using it for NeptuneDB.
2. They hired you given your long time work on the project and as PMC Chair.
3. “Trumped up” ‘racism’ charges are made against me because of a chicken tweet.
4. I’m kicked off TinkerPop PMC with no verbal support from you even after all these years of us working together…?! Have I ever been racist to you? — you are a black man are you not?
5. Then on comes Amazon employee to the PMC (Kelvin) and you and I both know , an “easy to manipulate” Josh.
I chalk this up to BigTech using cancel culture to manipulate long standing social/work relationships. We know how much IBM tried to do this in the beginning of TinkerPop at Apache (even going so far as to threaten violence on me). How is it that a man threatening violence on me becomes President on Apache while me making a chicken picture gets me kicked off the PMC? How is it that Kelvin who was apart of that group at IBM that tried to usurp the project in the early days on the PMC, but the guy who created the project and did 50% of the work kicked off? I’m not saying Kelvin is a “bad person,” I like him — why? Cause he wrote a book on Gremlin. He does work. That is what is important — not that someone is ‘racist’ (whatever that means) or that someone works for Amazon or that IBM wants power or whatever. Work is important.
And this is all the more upsetting given you using none of your influence to support me. EVEN EVEN EVEN! After you know how gnarly your situation is and what you have been through when organizations go around calling people a ‘racist’ or a ‘fraud’. How has your personal life and career gone cause of it? And you just sit back and watch it happen to your close colleague.
My friend. That is NOT leadership. That is cowardice.
There are so many bad practices at play here and I could go on about the early days with Apache/DataStax/IBM that to not have all that brought up when they go to kick me off is absurd.
So I say — either do what is right (what you know is right) or stop being a “leader” else you are just like Josh, acting but not doing.
Marko.
> On Oct 5, 2021, at 5:32 AM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding
> project leadership.
>
> I think that we (folks on this list) acknowledge as a group that TinkerPop
> committer growth has not been good which is why I added it to this report.
> I can't say however that there is a similar agreement on the varied points
> you've made on this topic. The ASF is uninterested in how much or little
> anyone contributes, which is thinking you have always been at odds with and
> I'm afraid I really don't have any fresh words to explain it.
>
>> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
> years now. So that is nothing new.
>
> As best I can tell it looks like it was somewhere in 2019 that they added
> Gremlin support. In any case, it was a mistake then to call it "new" in the
> report. I honestly don't ever remember coming across that before. I'll
> change it to:
>
> We've recently become aware that the Tibco Graph Database[1] implemented
> TinkerPop support a couple of years ago and that there is a new
> implementation of TinkerPop with ArcadeDB[2] that was recently announced.
> That brings the total number of graph systems supporting TinkerPop to
> thirty.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ## Description:
> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
>
> ## Activity:
> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases came a
> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered in
> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor enhancements
> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became the
> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
>
> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would be
> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It is
> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
> maintenance.
>
> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
>
> We've recently become aware that the Tibco Graph Database[1] implemented
> TinkerPop support a couple of years ago and that there is a new
> implementation of TinkerPop with ArcadeDB[2] that was recently announced.
> That brings the total number of graph systems supporting TinkerPop to
> thirty.
>
> ## Issues:
> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>
> ## Releases:
> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
>
> ## PMC/Committer:
> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
>
> ## Links
> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/ <https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/>
> [2] https://arcadedb.com/ <https://arcadedb.com/>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding project
>> leadership.
>>
>> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
>> years now. So that is nothing new.
>>
>> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions by
>> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project removing
>> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
>> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
>> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
>> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to have
>> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was arguing
>> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they are
>> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute code/documentation/blog
>> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
>> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing the
>> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic nepotism,
>> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the direction
>> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s fraudulent
>> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made for
>> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
>> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS community
>> [1].
>>
>> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
>> <
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>>
>> [slides 1-37]
>> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
>> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
>> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
>> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
>>>
>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ## Description:
>>> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
>>> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
>>>
>>> ## Activity:
>>> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
>> came a
>>> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
>> in
>>> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
>>> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
>>> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
>> enhancements
>>> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
>> the
>>> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
>>>
>>> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would
>> be
>>> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It
>> is
>>> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
>>> maintenance.
>>>
>>> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
>>> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
>>> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
>>>
>>> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
>>> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
>>>
>>> ## Issues:
>>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>>
>>> ## Releases:
>>> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
>>> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
>>>
>>> ## PMC/Committer:
>>> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
>>> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
>>>
>>> ## Links
>>> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
>>> [2] https://arcadedb.com/
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding
project leadership.
I think that we (folks on this list) acknowledge as a group that TinkerPop
committer growth has not been good which is why I added it to this report.
I can't say however that there is a similar agreement on the varied points
you've made on this topic. The ASF is uninterested in how much or little
anyone contributes, which is thinking you have always been at odds with and
I'm afraid I really don't have any fresh words to explain it.
> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
years now. So that is nothing new.
As best I can tell it looks like it was somewhere in 2019 that they added
Gremlin support. In any case, it was a mistake then to call it "new" in the
report. I honestly don't ever remember coming across that before. I'll
change it to:
We've recently become aware that the Tibco Graph Database[1] implemented
TinkerPop support a couple of years ago and that there is a new
implementation of TinkerPop with ArcadeDB[2] that was recently announced.
That brings the total number of graph systems supporting TinkerPop to
thirty.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
## Description:
Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
(OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
## Activity:
TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases came a
bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered in
3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor enhancements
as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became the
first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would be
likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It is
also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
maintenance.
We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
We've recently become aware that the Tibco Graph Database[1] implemented
TinkerPop support a couple of years ago and that there is a new
implementation of TinkerPop with ArcadeDB[2] that was recently announced.
That brings the total number of graph systems supporting TinkerPop to
thirty.
## Issues:
There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
## Releases:
- 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
- 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
## PMC/Committer:
- Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
- Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
## Links
[1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
[2] https://arcadedb.com/
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding project
> leadership.
>
> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
> years now. So that is nothing new.
>
> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions by
> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project removing
> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to have
> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was arguing
> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they are
> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute code/documentation/blog
> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing the
> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic nepotism,
> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the direction
> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s fraudulent
> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made for
> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS community
> [1].
>
> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
>
> Marko.
>
> [1]
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
> <
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>
> [slides 1-37]
> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ## Description:
> > Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
> > (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
> >
> > ## Activity:
> > TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
> came a
> > bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
> in
> > 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
> > particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
> > release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
> enhancements
> > as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
> the
> > first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
> >
> > Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would
> be
> > likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It
> is
> > also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
> > maintenance.
> >
> > We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
> > Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
> > graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
> >
> > We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
> > ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
> >
> > ## Issues:
> > There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
> >
> > ## Releases:
> > - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
> > - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
> >
> > ## PMC/Committer:
> > - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
> > - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
> >
> > ## Links
> > [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
> > [2] https://arcadedb.com/
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Then don’t. I simply requested Stephen to add my original comments to the ASF Board Report for October 2021.
Marko.
> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>
> I don't care to continue such a nasty conversation on a public list.
>
> Josh
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:50 AM Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Josh — if you are going to come onto this project, put your name on it,
>> then you need to do something. You promised me for 2 years that you would
>> work on TInkerPop4. You haven’t. You lied. I have no respect for liars.
>> That is my problem with you. You are ineffectual at best, two-faced at
>> worst. You want people to respect you with your accolades, but you don’t do
>> anything to earn said accolades. People who seek the respect of others are
>> not leaders, they are weak souls who will, when the time is right, do what
>> is best for them.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Marko, why you are so concerned with what I am doing or not doing is
>> beyond
>>> me. Likewise, you make vague accusations against Stephen on this list,
>>> before calling him a "shining star"? How "nepotism", exactly? I commented
>>> earlier that you had "self-cancelled" because with all of this behavior,
>>> you seemed to be daring the rest of the world to take offense / get
>> annoyed
>>> / shut you out. I saw your edgy Twitter posts as an exercise in free
>>> speech, and I was against your removal from the PMC as you well know. Bad
>>> things were bound to happen, though; you are making an ass of yourself in
>>> every public forum, and obviously that does not reflect well on you. If
>> you
>>> want others to respect you and follow you, quit trying to tear others
>> down,
>>> and get back to producing. I don't understand your rage against Amazon,
>> but
>>> your ideas around the mm-ADT "economic machine" seemed good -- why not
>>> execute on them.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com
>> <mailto:okrammarko@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding
>> project
>>>> leadership.
>>>>
>>>> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
>>>> years now. So that is nothing new.
>>>>
>>>> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions
>> by
>>>> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project
>> removing
>>>> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
>>>> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
>>>> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
>>>> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to
>> have
>>>> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was
>> arguing
>>>> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they
>> are
>>>> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute
>> code/documentation/blog
>>>> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
>>>> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing
>> the
>>>> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic
>> nepotism,
>>>> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the
>> direction
>>>> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s
>> fraudulent
>>>> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made
>> for
>>>> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
>>>> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS
>> community
>>>> [1].
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
>>>>
>>>> Marko.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>
>>>> <
>>>>
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>
>> <
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>
>>>>
>>>> [slides 1-37]
>>>> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
>>>> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
>>>> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
>>>> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmallette@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Description:
>>>>> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph
>> databases
>>>>> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Activity:
>>>>> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
>>>> came a
>>>>> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
>>>> in
>>>>> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
>>>>> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
>>>>> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
>>>> enhancements
>>>>> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
>>>> the
>>>>> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it
>> would
>>>> be
>>>>> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year.
>> It
>>>> is
>>>>> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
>>>>> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number
>> of
>>>>> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are
>> considering
>>>>> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Issues:
>>>>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Releases:
>>>>> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
>>>>> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
>>>>>
>>>>> ## PMC/Committer:
>>>>> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
>>>>> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
>>>>>
>>>>> ## Links
>>>>> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
>>>>> [2] https://arcadedb.com/
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
I don't care to continue such a nasty conversation on a public list.
Josh
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:50 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Josh — if you are going to come onto this project, put your name on it,
> then you need to do something. You promised me for 2 years that you would
> work on TInkerPop4. You haven’t. You lied. I have no respect for liars.
> That is my problem with you. You are ineffectual at best, two-faced at
> worst. You want people to respect you with your accolades, but you don’t do
> anything to earn said accolades. People who seek the respect of others are
> not leaders, they are weak souls who will, when the time is right, do what
> is best for them.
>
> Marko.
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
> >
> > Marko, why you are so concerned with what I am doing or not doing is
> beyond
> > me. Likewise, you make vague accusations against Stephen on this list,
> > before calling him a "shining star"? How "nepotism", exactly? I commented
> > earlier that you had "self-cancelled" because with all of this behavior,
> > you seemed to be daring the rest of the world to take offense / get
> annoyed
> > / shut you out. I saw your edgy Twitter posts as an exercise in free
> > speech, and I was against your removal from the PMC as you well know. Bad
> > things were bound to happen, though; you are making an ass of yourself in
> > every public forum, and obviously that does not reflect well on you. If
> you
> > want others to respect you and follow you, quit trying to tear others
> down,
> > and get back to producing. I don't understand your rage against Amazon,
> but
> > your ideas around the mm-ADT "economic machine" seemed good -- why not
> > execute on them.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding
> project
> >> leadership.
> >>
> >> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
> >> years now. So that is nothing new.
> >>
> >> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions
> by
> >> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project
> removing
> >> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
> >> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
> >> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
> >> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to
> have
> >> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was
> arguing
> >> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they
> are
> >> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute
> code/documentation/blog
> >> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
> >> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing
> the
> >> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic
> nepotism,
> >> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the
> direction
> >> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s
> fraudulent
> >> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made
> for
> >> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
> >> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS
> community
> >> [1].
> >>
> >> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
> >>
> >> Marko.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
> <
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
> >>
> >> [slides 1-37]
> >> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
> >> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
> >> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
> >> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ## Description:
> >>> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph
> databases
> >>> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
> >>>
> >>> ## Activity:
> >>> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
> >> came a
> >>> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
> >> in
> >>> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
> >>> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
> >>> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
> >> enhancements
> >>> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
> >> the
> >>> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
> >>>
> >>> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it
> would
> >> be
> >>> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year.
> It
> >> is
> >>> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
> >>> maintenance.
> >>>
> >>> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
> >>> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number
> of
> >>> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
> >>>
> >>> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are
> considering
> >>> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
> >>>
> >>> ## Issues:
> >>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
> >>>
> >>> ## Releases:
> >>> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
> >>> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
> >>>
> >>> ## PMC/Committer:
> >>> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
> >>> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
> >>>
> >>> ## Links
> >>> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
> >>> [2] https://arcadedb.com/
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Josh — if you are going to come onto this project, put your name on it, then you need to do something. You promised me for 2 years that you would work on TInkerPop4. You haven’t. You lied. I have no respect for liars. That is my problem with you. You are ineffectual at best, two-faced at worst. You want people to respect you with your accolades, but you don’t do anything to earn said accolades. People who seek the respect of others are not leaders, they are weak souls who will, when the time is right, do what is best for them.
Marko.
> On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net> wrote:
>
> Marko, why you are so concerned with what I am doing or not doing is beyond
> me. Likewise, you make vague accusations against Stephen on this list,
> before calling him a "shining star"? How "nepotism", exactly? I commented
> earlier that you had "self-cancelled" because with all of this behavior,
> you seemed to be daring the rest of the world to take offense / get annoyed
> / shut you out. I saw your edgy Twitter posts as an exercise in free
> speech, and I was against your removal from the PMC as you well know. Bad
> things were bound to happen, though; you are making an ass of yourself in
> every public forum, and obviously that does not reflect well on you. If you
> want others to respect you and follow you, quit trying to tear others down,
> and get back to producing. I don't understand your rage against Amazon, but
> your ideas around the mm-ADT "economic machine" seemed good -- why not
> execute on them.
>
> Josh
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <okrammarko@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding project
>> leadership.
>>
>> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
>> years now. So that is nothing new.
>>
>> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions by
>> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project removing
>> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
>> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
>> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
>> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to have
>> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was arguing
>> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they are
>> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute code/documentation/blog
>> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
>> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing the
>> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic nepotism,
>> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the direction
>> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s fraudulent
>> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made for
>> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
>> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS community
>> [1].
>>
>> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
>>
>> Marko.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
>> <
>> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>>
>> [slides 1-37]
>> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
>> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
>> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
>> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
>>>
>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ## Description:
>>> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
>>> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
>>>
>>> ## Activity:
>>> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
>> came a
>>> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
>> in
>>> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
>>> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
>>> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
>> enhancements
>>> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
>> the
>>> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
>>>
>>> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would
>> be
>>> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It
>> is
>>> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
>>> maintenance.
>>>
>>> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
>>> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
>>> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
>>>
>>> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
>>> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
>>>
>>> ## Issues:
>>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>>
>>> ## Releases:
>>> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
>>> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
>>>
>>> ## PMC/Committer:
>>> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
>>> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
>>>
>>> ## Links
>>> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
>>> [2] https://arcadedb.com/
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Joshua Shinavier <jo...@fortytwo.net>.
Marko, why you are so concerned with what I am doing or not doing is beyond
me. Likewise, you make vague accusations against Stephen on this list,
before calling him a "shining star"? How "nepotism", exactly? I commented
earlier that you had "self-cancelled" because with all of this behavior,
you seemed to be daring the rest of the world to take offense / get annoyed
/ shut you out. I saw your edgy Twitter posts as an exercise in free
speech, and I was against your removal from the PMC as you well know. Bad
things were bound to happen, though; you are making an ass of yourself in
every public forum, and obviously that does not reflect well on you. If you
want others to respect you and follow you, quit trying to tear others down,
and get back to producing. I don't understand your rage against Amazon, but
your ideas around the mm-ADT "economic machine" seemed good -- why not
execute on them.
Josh
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding project
> leadership.
>
> First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5
> years now. So that is nothing new.
>
> Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions by
> recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project removing
> contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I
> bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a
> single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the
> response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to have
> compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was arguing
> to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they are
> needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute code/documentation/blog
> posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on
> with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing the
> meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic nepotism,
> but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the direction
> Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s fraudulent
> to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made for
> the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed
> from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS community
> [1].
>
> Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
>
> Marko.
>
> [1]
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine
> <
> https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine>
> [slides 1-37]
> - Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google.
> All other project slides/articles etc. are.
> - Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such
> small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ## Description:
> > Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
> > (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
> >
> > ## Activity:
> > TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases
> came a
> > bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered
> in
> > 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
> > particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
> > release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor
> enhancements
> > as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became
> the
> > first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
> >
> > Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would
> be
> > likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It
> is
> > also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
> > maintenance.
> >
> > We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
> > Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
> > graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
> >
> > We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
> > ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
> >
> > ## Issues:
> > There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
> >
> > ## Releases:
> > - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
> > - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
> >
> > ## PMC/Committer:
> > - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
> > - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
> >
> > ## Links
> > [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
> > [2] https://arcadedb.com/
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Board Draft Report - October 2021
Posted by Marko Rodriguez <ok...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
This looks good, though I think we should add some items regarding project leadership.
First off, Tibco has been a TinkerPop-enabled graph database for over 5 years now. So that is nothing new.
Next, we should alert the Apache Board about the lack of contributions by recently elected PMC members. More generally, why is the project removing contributing members and replacing them with non-contributing members? I bring up Josh in particular. Of his performance of late, I’ve noted a single "VOTE +1” for a .toString() pull request by Stephen. Given the response time to the PR, there wasn’t even sufficient time for Josh to have compiled and tested the PR. This goes counter to what Stephen was arguing to me (Marko) earlier regarding why the PMC members were elected — they are needed to test the code, not necessarily contribute code/documentation/blog posts/academic articles/etc. So… what is the truth here? What’s going on with the leadership of this project? I believe this project is losing the meritocracy that Apache so holds dear for "nepotism" (not genetic nepotism, but through corporate affiliation). However, if “nepotism" is the direction Apache is going, then I think this should be made clear as it’s fraudulent to be underhanded about the reasoning behind the decisions being made for the project. Finally, this might also be the reasoning why I was removed from the project given my lack of support for Amazon in the OSS community [1].
Thank you Stephen for your efforts on TinkerPop. You are a shining star.
Marko.
[1] https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine <https://www.slideshare.net/slidarko/mmadt-a-virtual-machinean-economic-machine> [slides 1-37]
- Please note that these slides are no longer indexed by Google. All other project slides/articles etc. are.
- Unfortunate that large companies would be threatened by such small individuals. Is this what is happening with TinkerPop?
> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is the attached draft of our board report for this quarter.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ## Description:
> Apache TinkerPop is a graph computing framework for both graph databases
> (OLTP) and graph analytic systems (OLAP).
>
> ## Activity:
> TinkerPop released 3.4.12 and 3.5.1 on July 19, 2021. These releases came a
> bit earlier than expected to address a bug implementers had encountered in
> 3.5.0. While the bug had a relatively simple workaround and did not
> particularly affect end users, there was consensus in the community to
> release sooner than later. These changes did include some minor enhancements
> as well. After 3.5.1 released, it was announced that JanusGraph became the
> first graph provider to support the 3.5.x release line.
>
> Development on 3.4.13, 3.5.2 and 3.6.0 is all well underway and it would be
> likely that we'd see releases of at least 3.4.13 and 3.5.2 this year. It is
> also likely that we will be reaching the end of the 3.4.x line of
> maintenance.
>
> We've recently become aware of two new TinkerPop implementations in the
> Tibco Graph Database[1] and ArcadeDB[2]. That brings the total number of
> graph systems supporting TinkerPop to thirty.
>
> We are aware that our committer growth has been slow and are considering
> ideas to improve our ability to attract and retain folks.
>
> ## Issues:
> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>
> ## Releases:
> - 3.4.12 (July 19, 2021)
> - 3.5.1 (July 19, 2021)
>
> ## PMC/Committer:
> - Last PMC addition was Kelvin Lawrence/Josh Shinavier - June 2021
> - Last committer addition was Øyvind Sæbø - March 2021
>
> ## Links
> [1] https://www.tibco.com/products/tibco-graph-database/
> [2] https://arcadedb.com/