Re: Any HTML5 plans?

["seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>]

Minor update:
There are some possibilities with HTML5 video with "Adaptive streaming"

You may find some matrix about the currently supported platforms here:
http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/#adaptive_streaming

However this topic seems to be in its early days too.

Sebastian

2012/1/28 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>

> Hi Nick,
>
> I don't see any reliable framework or implementation that is
> production ready and will provide a HTML5 solution for
> Video-Conferencing.
> A working HTML5 video-component does not mean that you can do
> video-conferencing. It is just the component to playback the video.
> The tricky thing is how to access the webcam and microphone.
> HTML5-video is not really a streaming component. Its a progressive
> download. Which actually just means that you download the video and
> can start watching it while downloading. A Live Video cannot be
> "downloaded-progressive" as the whole video does never exist.
> You will need to code a native extension for every device to access
> the cam/mic and to watch the video. There are examples of native apps
> doing kind of conferencing. However those examples are all early beta
> stage or proof of concepts.
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/1/27 Nick Nudell <me...@gmail.com>:
> > I understand those concerns and that my frame of reference is generally
> US
> > based. I don't think we should simply discount the iOS products as a
> passing
> > fad or as limited use devices.
> >
> > A significant number of US people are accessing the web with these
> devices.
> > Additionally, Flash (which is not Open Source) is in its last stages of
> life
> > for mobile... and Adobe has announced that developers should move to
> HTML5
> > (
> http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2011/11/09/adobe-to-end-flash-support-for-mobile-phones-tablets/
>  ).
> >
> > Have you seen the Ericcsson webKit project? It looks like it might do
> much
> > of what OpenMeetings does and is HTML5
> > (https://labs.ericsson.com/apis/web-real-time-communication/downloads)
> > although it is built on Ubuntu right now.
> >
> > Also there is a good discussion of HTML5 support at
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video).
> >
> > Lastly, with OM project is it possible to also release it
> > via http://www.adobe.com/devnet/logged_in/abansod_iphone.html?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > __ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ __
> > Nick Nudell, BA, NREMT-P
> > medicnick@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 04:37, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes,
> >>
> >> well that is what makes OpenLaszlo or other JS frameworks such a
> success,
> >> you don't need to fight with the problems in the browser universe as the
> >> JS-Framework should do it for you.
> >>
> >> About streaming in HTML5 there was recently a spec published and I even
> >> blogged about it:
> >>
> >>
> http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/2011/10/review-real-time-specification-api-of.html
> >>
> >> The reason why I don't believe there will be a suitable OpenSource video
> >> streaming solution in HTML5 soon is that, not even for pure video
> playback
> >> browser vendors have been able to establish an (open) standard / codec
> in
> >> that past 1-2 years.
> >> There has been some "enthusiasm" around Google open sourcing VP8
> Codec...
> >> however, after some months it turns out that still 99% watching Youtube
> >> videos using Flash-Technology. I don't know any significant website
> except
> >> Mozilla Firefox announcement videos that use HTML5-Video.
> >> Things might be different on mobile devices where there is no flash at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> 2012/1/27 <co...@gmx.de>
> >>
> >>> Indeed - HTML5 is something brand new. So new that only a few have it.
> >>> The big advantage why I prefer Open Meetings to other - installed -
> systems
> >>> is: No NAT issues, no installation hazzles. Having to install the
> latest
> >>> Chrome or Firefox is counterproductive. Flash is there (unless you're a
> >>> iPhone/iPad addict)
> >>>
> >>> In the long run WebRTC will be the choice - there is no doubt about it
> as
> >>> it is open and standards based and will offer features that Flash so
> far
> >>> doesn't (e.g. P2P). What I wonder is, if there is an transision
> technology
> >>> such as a Flash wrapper to bring WebRTC to older browsers. For merely
> >>> playing video- there is. And I remember having seen a camera/microphone
> >>> catcher somewhere. Anyway OpenLazlo should be convinced to play with
> that.
> >>>
> >>> For the time being, I have no iPhone/iPad folks around bugging me - so
> I
> >>> can live with flash. I have other issues I'd like to see resolved
> earlier.
> >>> But it looks cool
> >>>
> >>> Conrad
> >>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>> > Datum: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:39:14 +0100
> >>> > Von: "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>
> >>> > An: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> >>> > Betreff: Re: Any HTML5 plans?
> >>>
> >>> > Hallo Nick,
> >>> >
> >>> > the client side of OpenMeetings is build with OpenLaszlo which
> concept
> >>> > it
> >>> > is to write the code once in a XML styled approach called .lzx and
> the
> >>> > compiler then either generates SWF or Ajax from it:
> >>> >
> http://www.openlaszlo.org/lps4.9/laszlo-explorer/index.html?lzr=dhtml
> >>> >
> >>> > But as there is no Camera/Microphone in DHTML and the specification
> are
> >>> > quite far away from any standards that are implemented accross
> >>> > platforms
> >>> > it
> >>> > does not make so much sense from my point of view to compile to Ajax.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sebastian
> >>> >
> >>> > 2012/1/26 Nick Nudell <me...@gmail.com>
> >>> >
> >>> > > Hi all,
> >>> > > I'm curious if there are any plans to port OM over to HTML/js
> rather
> >>> > than
> >>> > > Flash based? Flash might be around for a couple more years but only
> >>> > > for
> >>> > > those who have machines that support it.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks,
> >>> > > Nick
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
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> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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