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IDEs
Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:18, Eric Medlock wrote:
> Does emacs have integrated syntax checking (not just
> highlighting but actual checking...)?
partially. It will miscolour bad code. But unfortunately it will also
miscolor code that does not conform to java code naming idioms. Apparently
with the latest JDE (Java Dev Environment for Emacs) this will work but I
don't use it and turn of all those features ;) It also has all the nice code
completion features but again I turn them off so I don't know how good they
are ;)
>I could give up
> a lot of features of IDEs but not syntax checking and
> also the ability to have the code "parsed" and
> organized so that I can jump directly to what I want,
you mean a project window that allows you to jump to a class or a
method/variable in class. They have that (call it speedbar IIRC).
> visually. I've thought about emacs but those features
> are really important to me and being an emacs idiot I
> don't know if they are available.
emacs is a fairly powerful environment but it is in no way shape or form easy
to learn. In theory if I was to enable most of the things in emacs I could
get most of the kool features from IDEA - except for the surround
refactorings. Unfortunately it is so painful to configure (even having used
emacs for 5 years or so) I never got around to doing it ;)
>
> Eric Medlock
>
> --- Peter Donald <do...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:11, Eric Medlock wrote:
> > > Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
> >
> > Emacs !!!! ;)
> >
> > Though I have recently begun using IDEA almost
> > exclusively at work and think
> > it is great. (It still has quite a few teething
> > issues but other than that it
> > is best non-emacs editor I have used). If I could
> > afford it I would use
> > Together Control Center (Or maybe just TogetherJ
> > from a few versions ago).
> >
> >
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Eric Medlock <er...@yahoo.com>.
Does emacs have integrated syntax checking (not just
highlighting but actual checking...)? I could give up
a lot of features of IDEs but not syntax checking and
also the ability to have the code "parsed" and
organized so that I can jump directly to what I want,
visually. I've thought about emacs but those features
are really important to me and being an emacs idiot I
don't know if they are available.
Eric Medlock
--- Peter Donald <do...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:11, Eric Medlock wrote:
> > Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
>
> Emacs !!!! ;)
>
> Though I have recently begun using IDEA almost
> exclusively at work and think
> it is great. (It still has quite a few teething
> issues but other than that it
> is best non-emacs editor I have used). If I could
> afford it I would use
> Together Control Center (Or maybe just TogetherJ
> from a few versions ago).
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:11, Eric Medlock wrote:
> Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
Emacs !!!! ;)
Though I have recently begun using IDEA almost exclusively at work and think
it is great. (It still has quite a few teething issues but other than that it
is best non-emacs editor I have used). If I could afford it I would use
Together Control Center (Or maybe just TogetherJ from a few versions ago).
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
IDEA from intellij is my current favorite [then netbeans as second choice].
-Vincent
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>.
Eric,
>Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
>
http://www.intellij.com/
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RE: IDEs
Posted by Gerhard Froehlich <g-...@gmx.de>.
Hi,
>That's a $389 I would be happy to shell out. The pluses on that IDE make it
Depends on the actual dm (german mark) -> dollar rate, this days hardcore :)
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Eric Medlock <er...@yahoo.com>.
Thanks for the comprehensive low down. I've used
VisualAge for Java the most and I really like the
refactoring capabilities of it, but the GUI builder is
flaky, the Beans engine is flaky, and it doesn't
support Java 100% (complicated inner classes
especially). With all those negatives it is the best
one I've use, but another project I'm working on is
completely incompatible with VisualAge (inner class
issues) so I have to find something else. I'm checking
out Idea, NetBeans, and a few others. It sounds like
Idea might be the way to go for me although I have to
admit that if I ever build I GUI I'll miss not having
a GUI builder (the concept of hand coding a visual
layout doesn't appeal to me, I've done it but I don't
like it). But that's not likely to occur on a frequent
basis.
Thanks again to everyone that replied!
Eric Medlock
--- Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> Gerhard Froehlich wrote:
>
> > Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA.
> > It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration.
> >
> > but it costs 389 bucks :(
>
>
> That's a $389 I would be happy to shell out. The
> pluses on that IDE make it
> much more usable than JBuilder or VisualAge Java.
> Let's put it this way,
> it takes the refactoring abilities of VisualAge,
> removes the flakiness,
> uses your source code repository, and has all the
> editing features of
> JBuilder. Since I don't trust GUI builders built in
> to IDEs, I am happy that
> I don't have to pay ~$1000 for useable features.
>
> VisualAge Java Professional is ~$130, and for what
> you get is pretty decent.
> The problem is that you are locked into VisualAge's
> source code repository
> and flaky classloader issues. Not to meantion it is
> always a JDK or two
> behind the curve.
>
> Borland JBuilder is merely eye candy until you shell
> out the >$600 bucks for
> the Professional license. I mean what advantage is
> there to disabling the
> interface wizard? Just create a class and change
> the keyword to interface...
>
> Together ControlCenter is the cat's meow if you can
> stomach a >$6000 price
> tag. It's pattern based code generation tools, UML
> editing, and code auditing
> features have me salivating until I look at the
> price tag (what a cold slap
> in the face)! The CHEAPEST version they have is
> >$3000. Clearly not good
> for an individual developer.
>
> Intellij IDEA is the closest thing to a truly useful
> IDE there is, and comparatively
> is well featured. It is the first IDE I have seen
> that focuses on the way
> you code (or at least I code).
>
> What I would like to see is a prorated pricing
> scheme so that I only pay
> for the features I want. That way, if $6000 is the
> top price for Together
> Control Center, I only pay for the modelling types I
> support and the
> code generation facilities--or something to that
> affect. However, no matter
> how much I begged them, TogetherSoft has ABSOLUTELY
> NO INTENTION of releasing
> any of its product line in the sub $1000 price
> range.
>
>
> As a general rule, forget anything by Microsoft--you
> end up fighting the tool
> 50% of the time and the libraries 45% of the time,
> which only leaves you with
> 5% of your time to do anything useful.
>
> I haven't gotten into Forte or any of the others.
>
>
> >
> > after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :)
> >
> >
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> >>From: Eric Medlock [mailto:ericmedlock@yahoo.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:12 PM
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> >>Subject: IDEs
> >>
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> >>Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
> >>
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Gerhard Froehlich wrote:
> Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA.
> It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration.
>
> but it costs 389 bucks :(
That's a $389 I would be happy to shell out. The pluses on that IDE make it
much more usable than JBuilder or VisualAge Java. Let's put it this way,
it takes the refactoring abilities of VisualAge, removes the flakiness,
uses your source code repository, and has all the editing features of
JBuilder. Since I don't trust GUI builders built in to IDEs, I am happy that
I don't have to pay ~$1000 for useable features.
VisualAge Java Professional is ~$130, and for what you get is pretty decent.
The problem is that you are locked into VisualAge's source code repository
and flaky classloader issues. Not to meantion it is always a JDK or two
behind the curve.
Borland JBuilder is merely eye candy until you shell out the >$600 bucks for
the Professional license. I mean what advantage is there to disabling the
interface wizard? Just create a class and change the keyword to interface...
Together ControlCenter is the cat's meow if you can stomach a >$6000 price
tag. It's pattern based code generation tools, UML editing, and code auditing
features have me salivating until I look at the price tag (what a cold slap
in the face)! The CHEAPEST version they have is >$3000. Clearly not good
for an individual developer.
Intellij IDEA is the closest thing to a truly useful IDE there is, and comparatively
is well featured. It is the first IDE I have seen that focuses on the way
you code (or at least I code).
What I would like to see is a prorated pricing scheme so that I only pay
for the features I want. That way, if $6000 is the top price for Together
Control Center, I only pay for the modelling types I support and the
code generation facilities--or something to that affect. However, no matter
how much I begged them, TogetherSoft has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of releasing
any of its product line in the sub $1000 price range.
As a general rule, forget anything by Microsoft--you end up fighting the tool
50% of the time and the libraries 45% of the time, which only leaves you with
5% of your time to do anything useful.
I haven't gotten into Forte or any of the others.
>
> after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Eric Medlock [mailto:ericmedlock@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:12 PM
>>To: Avalon Developers List
>>Subject: IDEs
>>
>>
>>Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
>>
>>Eric Medlock
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Ulrich Mayring <ul...@denic.de>.
Peter Royal wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 14 November 2001 12:16 pm, you wrote:
> > Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA.
> > It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration.
> >
> > but it costs 389 bucks :(
> >
> > after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :)
>
> We use IDEA over here. I convinced management that the license was worth the
> increase in productivity :) http://www.intellij.com
Netbeans is OpenSource and it works great here.
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Peter Royal <pr...@managingpartners.com>.
On Wednesday 14 November 2001 12:16 pm, you wrote:
> Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA.
> It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration.
>
> but it costs 389 bucks :(
>
> after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :)
We use IDEA over here. I convinced management that the license was worth the
increase in productivity :) http://www.intellij.com
There was also a thread on /. about this,
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/08/0036217
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RE: IDEs
Posted by Gerhard Froehlich <g-...@gmx.de>.
Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA.
It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration.
but it costs 389 bucks :(
after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Medlock [mailto:ericmedlock@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:12 PM
>To: Avalon Developers List
>Subject: IDEs
>
>
>Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks?
>
>Eric Medlock
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Re: IDEs
Posted by Tom Bradford <br...@dbxmlgroup.com>.
I use CodeGuide by OmniCore (http://www.omnicore.com). It's a pure code
editor with good syntax highlighting, code completion, and error
notification.
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