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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by Jakarta <ja...@dyxn.net> on 2001/10/27 16:38:24 UTC
james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
hi all,
"fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
on the other hand,
"we believe in eating our own dogfood"
this is a ppro200 with 384MB ram and a 128Kbps outbound static ip DSL
running James from cvs.
the machine and connection have been stable for about a year.
James SMTP and POP have been running for most of that time receiving all of
the Apache email lists.
Let's see if it can handle traffic. I'm open to any and all admin
recommendations.
rhys dixon
my personal email is my first name at this domain.
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Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
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Very nice. :-)
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> Onto next item I found ;)
>
> NNTP server seems to be ignoring the "control: cancel <12...@blah>" header
> attributes. (which from what I understand tells the server to cancel that
> message completely and not send it out anymore).
>
> James also does not understand the "superscedes: " attribute.
Will try to address this over the weekend.
Peter, thanks for the instructions on Jakarta documentation upload. Should
be able to do it next time.
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:54, Harmeet wrote:
> From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> regarding NEWGROUPS from KNode.
>
> > 230 List of new news groups follows
>
> This should work with the latest cvs code. I have updated
> news.kodemuse.com. Please let me know if you still see this problem.
fixed.
Onto next item I found ;)
NNTP server seems to be ignoring the "control: cancel <12...@blah>" header
attributes. (which from what I understand tells the server to cancel that
message completely and not send it out anymore).
James also does not understand the "superscedes: " attribute.
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
regarding NEWGROUPS from KNode.
> 230 List of new news groups follows
This should work with the latest cvs code. I have updated news.kodemuse.com.
Please let me know if you still see this problem.
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:50, Harmeet wrote:
> From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
>
> > Okay. Getting news by ID works now ;)
>
> getting there. :-)
;)
> > However on both yours and Rhys's servers respond with "501 Syntax Error"
>
> when
>
> > I do try "New Groups" option in KNode. Get to it via
>
> There was a problem with NEWGROUPS command. I think it has been fixed.
> Also, added a system property to help debug the protocol.
> With the latest cvs code, if System property
> apache.nntpserver.debug==true
> then a lot of output is written into the nntp specific log file.
>
> I have updated news.kodemuse.com with cvs code and
> apache.nntpserver.debug==true. Rhys you may want to do get the fixes in
> NNTPHandler.java from CVS and if you want set apache.nntpserver.debug==true
> in the run script
>
> Haven't tried the 'New Groups' option in KNode yet. (Access problem.) Hope
> to that soon.
> 'New Groups' command seems to work with python nntplib, so I have some
> confidence.
Now I get error:
230 List of new news groups follows
> > Also can James specify descriptions for newsgroups ?
>
> James cannot specify the description. Group description cannot be read from
> the config.xml or stored in repository.
> But the protocol server, does return the description. The description
> returned for a group is the same as name of a group.
> It is probably a little bit of work to add description, but not too much.
> Do you think it would be a good thing to do ?
In the long run - yep ;) It makes it easier to determine whether you want to
subscribe to group or not.
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
From: "Danny Angus" <da...@thought.co.uk>
> That works nice now :-)
Glad to hear that, but I think there is still a problem with KNode on Linux.
I have the patch for KNode problem and will check it in tonight.
I think we are getting close. If we can get all apache email on James NNTP
via Rhys server, we would surely get over all the teething issues, plus it
will be a good for James.
Harmeet
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RE: nntp - grab articles by ID
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@thought.co.uk>.
That works nice now :-)
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> Okay. Getting news by ID works now ;)
getting there. :-)
>
> However on both yours and Rhys's servers respond with "501 Syntax Error"
when
> I do try "New Groups" option in KNode. Get to it via
There was a problem with NEWGROUPS command. I think it has been fixed.
Also, added a system property to help debug the protocol.
With the latest cvs code, if System property
apache.nntpserver.debug==true
then a lot of output is written into the nntp specific log file.
I have updated news.kodemuse.com with cvs code and
apache.nntpserver.debug==true. Rhys you may want to do get the fixes in
NNTPHandler.java from CVS and if you want set apache.nntpserver.debug==true
in the run script
Haven't tried the 'New Groups' option in KNode yet. (Access problem.) Hope
to that soon.
'New Groups' command seems to work with python nntplib, so I have some
confidence.
From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> Also I was still intermittently getting not found errors when looking up
> articles by ID. I will see if I can reproduce it better.
I have wiped out the repository. It may be a good idea to wipe the news
server and create a new one. There may be cached articles from earlier
repository.
news.kodemuse.com is not a hard name, If you like you can choose
news1.kodemuse.com as the server name.
> Also can James specify descriptions for newsgroups ?
James cannot specify the description. Group description cannot be read from
the config.xml or stored in repository.
But the protocol server, does return the description. The description
returned for a group is the same as name of a group.
It is probably a little bit of work to add description, but not too much.
Do you think it would be a good thing to do ?
Cheers,
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:45, Harmeet wrote:
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
>
> > I was using KNode (news reader for *nixes KDE desktop). It was either
>
> KNode
>
> > on FreeBSD or KNode on Linux .. forget what I was using at the time.
>
> Fixed bugs in this area. Latest NNTP code in the server seems to work with
> KNode on Linux.
>
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
>
> > rhys - do you want to update your server to the latest James version ?
>
> I have an NNTP Server running on news.kodemuse.com. It would be helpful if
> someone could try it out with KNode and other clients. I will update the
> code as bugs are found and fixed.
> Secure NNTP is at port 563.
> news.kodemuse.com functions as a test sandbox. It does not not host Apache
> mailing lists.
Okay. Getting news by ID works now ;)
However on both yours and Rhys's servers respond with "501 Syntax Error" when
I do try "New Groups" option in KNode. Get to it via
Account/Subscribe to Newsgroups/New Groups
Also I was still intermittently getting not found errors when looking up
articles by ID. I will see if I can reproduce it better.
Also can James specify descriptions for newsgroups ?
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Rhys Dixon <rh...@dyxn.net>.
i updated news.dyxn.net from cvs tonight.
note that the line it's on is getting the crap hammered out of it by a
"music archiver"
i am still sure that he will give up before wal-mart runs out of recordable
cds.
unfortunately, he has decided that he "should give back to the community"
so there's flapster, and shlapster, and clapster, and so on.
there are at least three dsl connections hooked up 24x7. (nevermind the
dialups)
i've been randomly dropping routes in the middle of his downloads (uploads)
just to make his life more interesting. any suggestions for something really
irritating
but somewhat subtle to do to this guy?
rhys
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harmeet" <ha...@kodemuse.com>
To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta
newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> > I was using KNode (news reader for *nixes KDE desktop). It was either
> KNode
> > on FreeBSD or KNode on Linux .. forget what I was using at the time.
>
> Fixed bugs in this area. Latest NNTP code in the server seems to work with
> KNode on Linux.
>
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> > rhys - do you want to update your server to the latest James version ?
>
> I have an NNTP Server running on news.kodemuse.com. It would be helpful if
> someone could try it out with KNode and other clients. I will update the
> code as bugs are found and fixed.
> Secure NNTP is at port 563.
> news.kodemuse.com functions as a test sandbox. It does not not host Apache
> mailing lists.
>
> Harmeet
>
>
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> I was using KNode (news reader for *nixes KDE desktop). It was either
KNode
> on FreeBSD or KNode on Linux .. forget what I was using at the time.
Fixed bugs in this area. Latest NNTP code in the server seems to work with
KNode on Linux.
From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> rhys - do you want to update your server to the latest James version ?
I have an NNTP Server running on news.kodemuse.com. It would be helpful if
someone could try it out with KNode and other clients. I will update the
code as bugs are found and fixed.
Secure NNTP is at port 563.
news.kodemuse.com functions as a test sandbox. It does not not host Apache
mailing lists.
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
> I was using KNode (news reader for *nixes KDE desktop). It was either
KNode
> on FreeBSD or KNode on Linux .. forget what I was using at the time.
I will be able to play with KDE+Linix Environment on Monday. Will try it
then.
I tried test the commands with nntplib in python. That seemed to work ok.
Harmeet
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Re: nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:58, Harmeet wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
>
> > just had a play around with thing. I noticed that for some reason you
>
> can't
>
> > grab articles by ID. ie Trying to get something by
> >
> > 1493464959.1004188299157.1@news.james.apache.org
>
> There was a problem with getting NNTP Headers, HDR and XHDR headers. Fixed
> it.
> I tried to reproduce fetching the article from articleID problem, but could
> not reproduce.
okays.
> What Client library are you using ? I would like to reproduce the problem
> with latest code.
I was using KNode (news reader for *nixes KDE desktop). It was either KNode
on FreeBSD or KNode on Linux .. forget what I was using at the time.
> Are there any articles in the group you are fetching information from ?
yep. Yep they were actually ids to messages I had already sent or replied to.
rhys - do you want to update your server to the latest James version ?
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nntp - grab articles by ID Was: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Harmeet <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> just had a play around with thing. I noticed that for some reason you
can't
> grab articles by ID. ie Trying to get something by
>
> 1493464959.1004188299157.1@news.james.apache.org
There was a problem with getting NNTP Headers, HDR and XHDR headers. Fixed
it.
I tried to reproduce fetching the article from articleID problem, but could
not reproduce.
What Client library are you using ? I would like to reproduce the problem
with latest code.
Are there any articles in the group you are fetching information from ?
draft-ietf-nntpext-base-13.txt in section 9.1.1.1 says
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If the group is empty, one of the following three situations
will occur. Clients MUST accept all three cases; servers MUST
NOT represent an empty group in any other way.
. The high water mark will be one less than the low water
mark, and the estimated article count will be zero.
Servers SHOULD use this method to show an empty group.
This is the only time that the high water mark can be
less than the low water mark.
. All three numbers will be zero.
. The high water mark is greater than or equal to the low
water mark; the estimated article count might be zero or
non-zero; if non-zero, the same requirements apply as for
a non-empty group.
----------------------------------
Is it possible that the group is empty and client is expecting the server
response in one of the three possible ways.
For empty group NTTP Server currently sends back:
b. lowWaterMark == highWaterMark == NumberOfSrticles == 0
Harmeet
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Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Jakarta <ja...@dyxn.net>.
so much for my news server.....
i put together an email to news bridge mailet, my first successful
compilation deleted my entire configuration.
maybe the default compilation should not delete the dist/app/james
directory. or maybe it should warn first.
i had copies of the config.xml renamed but in the same directory. bummer.
i'm back to work,
rhys
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From: "Jakarta" <ja...@dyxn.net>
To: <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
> good morning!
>
> this machine's name is news.dyxn.net and articles are in newsgroups
> org.apache.jakarta.*
> in my config.xml:
> articleIDPath is the default /var/nntp/articleid
> articleIDDomainSuffix is news.dyxn.net
>
> i like the "bridge" idea. i'll be the guinea pig.
> there are different names when comparing the cvs projects and the email
> lists.
> just use the email lists verbatim?
>
>
> btw, jakarta at dyxn.net is subscribed to *all* jakarta lists as a proof
(to
> me) that the smtp and pop are reliable under real traffic for an extended
> period of time. the whole server locks up if my client lets too many files
> accumulate. i have to delete files manually in the jakarta inbox to
restore
> functionality.
>
> rhys
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
> To: <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > just had a play around with thing. I noticed that for some reason you
> can't
> > grab articles by ID. ie Trying to get something by
> >
> > 1493464959.1004188299157.1@news.james.apache.org
> >
> > returns a "430 no such article" response however it shows up fine when
> > download new. Someone wanna figure out whats going on there ? ;)
> >
> > Also Rhys I could not see any Avalon mail being fed into newsgroups - is
> this
> > expected? If not this would be a kool idea. What would be really fun
would
> be
> > a "bridge" mailet that detected responses on news group and forwarded to
> the
> > mail group and vice versa ;)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:38, Jakarta wrote:
> > > hi all,
> > >
> > > "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
> > > on the other hand,
> > > "we believe in eating our own dogfood"
> > >
> > > this is a ppro200 with 384MB ram and a 128Kbps outbound static ip DSL
> > > running James from cvs.
> > >
> > > the machine and connection have been stable for about a year.
> > >
> > > James SMTP and POP have been running for most of that time receiving
all
> of
> > > the Apache email lists.
> > >
> > > Let's see if it can handle traffic. I'm open to any and all admin
> > > recommendations.
> > >
> > > rhys dixon
> > >
> > > my personal email is my first name at this domain.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Pete
> >
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> > human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the
> > former." -Albert Einstein
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Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Jakarta <ja...@dyxn.net>.
good morning!
this machine's name is news.dyxn.net and articles are in newsgroups
org.apache.jakarta.*
in my config.xml:
articleIDPath is the default /var/nntp/articleid
articleIDDomainSuffix is news.dyxn.net
i like the "bridge" idea. i'll be the guinea pig.
there are different names when comparing the cvs projects and the email
lists.
just use the email lists verbatim?
btw, jakarta at dyxn.net is subscribed to *all* jakarta lists as a proof (to
me) that the smtp and pop are reliable under real traffic for an extended
period of time. the whole server locks up if my client lets too many files
accumulate. i have to delete files manually in the jakarta inbox to restore
functionality.
rhys
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From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
To: <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
> Hi,
>
> just had a play around with thing. I noticed that for some reason you
can't
> grab articles by ID. ie Trying to get something by
>
> 1493464959.1004188299157.1@news.james.apache.org
>
> returns a "430 no such article" response however it shows up fine when
> download new. Someone wanna figure out whats going on there ? ;)
>
> Also Rhys I could not see any Avalon mail being fed into newsgroups - is
this
> expected? If not this would be a kool idea. What would be really fun would
be
> a "bridge" mailet that detected responses on news group and forwarded to
the
> mail group and vice versa ;)
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:38, Jakarta wrote:
> > hi all,
> >
> > "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
> > on the other hand,
> > "we believe in eating our own dogfood"
> >
> > this is a ppro200 with 384MB ram and a 128Kbps outbound static ip DSL
> > running James from cvs.
> >
> > the machine and connection have been stable for about a year.
> >
> > James SMTP and POP have been running for most of that time receiving all
of
> > the Apache email lists.
> >
> > Let's see if it can handle traffic. I'm open to any and all admin
> > recommendations.
> >
> > rhys dixon
> >
> > my personal email is my first name at this domain.
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
> -----------------------------------------------
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> human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the
> former." -Albert Einstein
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RE: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@thought.co.uk>.
> What would be really
> fun would be
> a "bridge" mailet that detected responses on news group and
> forwarded to the
> mail group and vice versa ;)
Hey, thats *my* plan ;-)
d.
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Re: james nntp for jakarta newsgroups live at news.dyxn.net
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
Hi,
just had a play around with thing. I noticed that for some reason you can't
grab articles by ID. ie Trying to get something by
1493464959.1004188299157.1@news.james.apache.org
returns a "430 no such article" response however it shows up fine when
download new. Someone wanna figure out whats going on there ? ;)
Also Rhys I could not see any Avalon mail being fed into newsgroups - is this
expected? If not this would be a kool idea. What would be really fun would be
a "bridge" mailet that detected responses on news group and forwarded to the
mail group and vice versa ;)
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:38, Jakarta wrote:
> hi all,
>
> "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
> on the other hand,
> "we believe in eating our own dogfood"
>
> this is a ppro200 with 384MB ram and a 128Kbps outbound static ip DSL
> running James from cvs.
>
> the machine and connection have been stable for about a year.
>
> James SMTP and POP have been running for most of that time receiving all of
> the Apache email lists.
>
> Let's see if it can handle traffic. I'm open to any and all admin
> recommendations.
>
> rhys dixon
>
> my personal email is my first name at this domain.
>
>
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Pete
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