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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com> on 2004/07/24 00:40:17 UTC

css list-items

One thing that annoys me about HTML lists, is the indent level seems 
excessive. It really shows on the Apache Forrest TOC output (any page 
with a TOC will do for an example, but the Forrest FAQ really shows 
it[1]). Eric Meyer and A List Apart have a great tutorials about taming 
lists[2] & [3]. Eric pretty much '[b]oils it all down' to this [2]:

> Boil it all down, and what we're left with is this: if you want 
> consistent rendering of lists between Explorer 5.x and Netscape 6.x, 
> you need to set both the left margin and left padding of the UL 
> element. We can ignore LI altogether for these purposes. If you want 
> to reproduce the default display in Netscape 6.x, you write:
>
>   ul {margin-left: 0; padding-left: 2.5em;}
>
> If you're more interested in following the Explorer model, then:
>
>   ul {margin-left: 2.5em; padding-left: 0;}
>
> Of course, you can fill in your own preferred values. Split the 
> different and set both to 1.25em, if you like. If you want to reset 
> lists to have no indentation, then you still have to zero out both 
> padding and margin:
>
>   ul {margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0;}

Does it make sense to add this to the css-style skin?

Web Maestro Clay

[1]
http://forrest.apache.org/faq.html

[2]
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/list-indent.html

[3]
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/


Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
...
> If you can come up with a "better" menu structure I will be glad to 
> apply it. I would like something like the krysalis-site skin. Maybe 
> without Jscript ;-).

Hey, I want that feature :-)

Better would be to make the menu use jscript or not depending on a 
skinconf parameter.

> Some neat images (or boxes) before each point of 
> the menu,...

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by "Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> but I still don't understand how the changes 
> I've made caused the minitoc to disappear. It may be some other change 
> in the skin that is causing that, although I don't know what. NOTE: I'm 
> not trying to allay blame or some such, I just want to understand 
> (learn) what happened so I/we don't do it again... :-)

:)

LOL

The minitoc is on the list of todos ;-) (if not, it should be). The toc 
was never there before! It was not your patch made him disappear.

I have to implemend it :-).

King regards
thorsten


Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Jul 28, 2004, at 1:42 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Clay Leeds wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>>> Sorry, after changing the screen.css manually (could not apply your 
>>> patch) I had a look on the result. I did not like it because I could 
>>> not see the menu points anymore! I used Mozilla Firefox.
>>>
>>> Did you tried your patch and had a look on the result?
>>
>> I tried the patch in Safari and Mozilla (I haven't tested it in 
>> Windows IE or Mozilla yet), and didn't notice the missing minitoc. 
>> (D'oh!) Many apologies.
>>
>> What I don't understand, is how the changes I made to css could have 
>> that effect. It doesn't make sense. Even if my css changes had some 
>> type of effect, the TOC information would still be in the source 
>> (although they would be hidden somehow via css). But the content 
>> doesn't appear to be there.
>
> No, that was not *my* problem with the patch. Actually the patch made 
> the points of the menu (left side) leaving the limits of the menu box 
> (width: 160px).  That e.g. the menu points of the subdir could not be 
> seen.

I saw that the margin appears to be off now (I didn't see that 
before--looked spiffy!) but I still don't understand how the changes 
I've made caused the minitoc to disappear. It may be some other change 
in the skin that is causing that, although I don't know what. NOTE: I'm 
not trying to allay blame or some such, I just want to understand 
(learn) what happened so I/we don't do it again... :-)

> If you can come up with a "better" menu structure I will be glad to 
> apply it. I would like something like the krysalis-site skin. Maybe 
> without Jscript ;-). Some neat images (or boxes) before each point of 
> the menu,...

Personally, I'd like to see javascript/jscript removed from the process 
(or at the very least only provide a supportive, non-essential flavor 
to the skin). Someone mentioned earlier they'd like to see the 
breadcrumb moved to an XSLT process rather than executed as a script at 
run-time. I'm all for that sentiment as well...

Web Maestro Clay


Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Clay Leeds wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>
>> You can find the tasks that we have to do before we can think about 
>> releasing the skin as beta-version in
>> {forrest}/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/note.txt. If you have 
>> specific questions on that point just ask me.
>>
>> All the task in the note.txt are blockers for releasing the skin!
>
>
> I'll check it out.
>

:). Looking forward to hear from you ;-)

Would be nice if you can give me a helping hand ("me podrias echar una 
mano").

>> Sorry, after changing the screen.css manually (could not apply your 
>> patch) I had a look on the result. I did not like it because I could 
>> not see the menu points anymore! I used Mozilla Firefox.
>>
>> Did you tried your patch and had a look on the result?
>
>
> I tried the patch in Safari and Mozilla (I haven't tested it in 
> Windows IE or Mozilla yet), and didn't notice the missing minitoc. 
> (D'oh!) Many apologies.
>
> What I don't understand, is how the changes I made to css could have 
> that effect. It doesn't make sense. Even if my css changes had some 
> type of effect, the TOC information would still be in the source 
> (although they would be hidden somehow via css). But the content 
> doesn't appear to be there.
>

No, that was not *my* problem with the patch. Actually the patch made 
the points of the menu (left side) leaving the limits of the menu box 
(width: 160px).  That e.g. the menu points of the subdir could not be seen.

If you can come up with a "better" menu structure I will be glad to 
apply it. I would like something like the krysalis-site skin. Maybe 
without Jscript ;-). Some neat images (or boxes) before each point of 
the menu,...

WDYT?

King regards
thorsten


Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Jul 27, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>>> The css-style needs very much attention regarding that topic :). 
>>> Help  here is really appreciated. Have a look at  
>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/ 
>>> skins/css-style-dev/note.txt?rev=23196&root=Apache-SVN&view=markup.  
>>> You may feel able to help with some points on the list.
>>>
>>> Do not hesitate to ask any question that may arise.
>>
>> If you have something specific, let me know, and I will be happy to  
>> help.
>
> You can find the tasks that we have to do before we can think about 
> releasing the skin as beta-version in
> {forrest}/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/note.txt. If you have 
> specific questions on that point just ask me.
>
> All the task in the note.txt are blockers for releasing the skin!

I'll check it out.

>>>> Without further ado, here's the PATCH (actually it's a diff -u of 
>>>> the  original and the modified (on my Desktop).
>>>
>>> Can you do diffs as well for the css-style-dev if you can fix some  
>>> issues there? That would be very nice! This way we may can include 
>>> it  in the upcoming release as "beta" version.
>>
>> Your wish has been granted[1].
>
> Sorry, after changing the screen.css manually (could not apply your 
> patch) I had a look on the result. I did not like it because I could 
> not see the menu points anymore! I used Mozilla Firefox.
>
> Did you tried your patch and had a look on the result?

I tried the patch in Safari and Mozilla (I haven't tested it in Windows 
IE or Mozilla yet), and didn't notice the missing minitoc. (D'oh!) Many 
apologies.

What I don't understand, is how the changes I made to css could have 
that effect. It doesn't make sense. Even if my css changes had some 
type of effect, the TOC information would still be in the source 
(although they would be hidden somehow via css). But the content 
doesn't appear to be there.

> Any thoughts?
>
> king regards
> thorsten
>
>>> Thanks very much again!
>>>
>>> King regards
>>> thorsten
>>
>> You're very welcome!
>>
>> Web Maestro Clay


Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Clay Leeds wrote:

>>> The PATCH I created fixes the .content ul (any ul under .content)  
>>> style, as well as the .menu ul (any ul under .menu) style. I didn't  
>>> make any changes to the ol element. The only example I could 
>>> find[3]  didn't look like it needed any help.
>>
>>
>> The css-style needs very much attention regarding that topic :). 
>> Help  here is really appreciated. Have a look at  
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/ 
>> skins/css-style-dev/note.txt?rev=23196&root=Apache-SVN&view=markup.  
>> You may feel able to help with some points on the list.
>>
>> Do not hesitate to ask any question that may arise.
>
>
> If you have something specific, let me know, and I will be happy to  
> help.
>

You can find the tasks that we have to do before we can think about 
releasing the skin as beta-version in
{forrest}/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/note.txt. If you have 
specific questions on that point just ask me.

All the task in the note.txt are blockers for releasing the skin!

>>> Without further ado, here's the PATCH (actually it's a diff -u of 
>>> the  original and the modified (on my Desktop).
>>
>>
>> Can you do diffs as well for the css-style-dev if you can fix some  
>> issues there? That would be very nice! This way we may can include 
>> it  in the upcoming release as "beta" version.
>
>
> Your wish has been granted[1].
>

Sorry, after changing the screen.css manually (could not apply your 
patch) I had a look on the result. I did not like it because I could not 
see the menu points anymore! I used Mozilla Firefox.

Did you tried your patch and had a look on the result?

Any thoughts?

king regards
thorsten

>> Thanks very much again!
>>
>> King regards
>> thorsten
>
>
> You're very welcome!
>
> Web Maestro Clay




Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Jul 26, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Clay Leeds wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>>>> Does it make sense to add this to the css-style skin?
>>>
>>> Yes I think so.  If it looks better and works for the major  
>>> browsers, why not?
>>>
>>> If you want to provide a patch, we'd gladly apply it.  If you do,  
>>> create a new issue in the issue tracker and attach it there.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the Issue Tracker is down. I'm not sure which css file  
>> I should be modifying (the .css file in css-style? if so, where does  
>> it live? here[1]? somewhere in this thread[2]? :-)).
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/ 
> skins/?root=Apache-SVN
>
> If you using latest SVN you can find the latest version of the  
> css-style-dev skin at {forrest}/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev

I did a quick BUILD with a recently updated SVN of forrest:

STEPS:
1. cp -R forrest forrest-test1
2. cd forrest-test1
3. edited 'ul' 'src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css'
    (see [diff screen.css OUTPUT] below)
4. /forrest/
5. to see the interesting results, see [forrest-test1 OUTPUT] below  
(NOTE: the recursive docs/docs/.../docs/docs......... items.

Here's the diff of the

[clay@Clays-TiBook forrest-test1]$ diff -u  
../forrest/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css  
src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css
--- ../forrest/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css       
Sat Jul 24 20:27:44 2004
+++ src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css Mon Jul 26  
07:37:30 2004
@@ -235,11 +235,12 @@
  #menu ul {
         width: 160px;
         list-style: none;
-       padding: 0 0 1em 0;
-       margin: 0;
+       padding: 0 0 1em 15px;
+       margin: 0 0 0 15px;
  }
  #menu ul ul ul {
-       padding: 0;
+       padding: 0 0 0 15px;
+       margin-left 15px;
         width: 145px;
  }
  #menu li li {
@@ -275,8 +276,8 @@
  }

  #content ul {
-       margin: 0;
-       padding: 0 25px;
+       margin: 0 0 0 15px;
+       padding: 0 25px 0 15px;
  }
  #content li {
         padding: 0 5px;
[clay@Clays-TiBook forrest-test1]$

>> The PATCH I created fixes the .content ul (any ul under .content)  
>> style, as well as the .menu ul (any ul under .menu) style. I didn't  
>> make any changes to the ol element. The only example I could find[3]  
>> didn't look like it needed any help.
>
> The css-style needs very much attention regarding that topic :). Help  
> here is really appreciated. Have a look at  
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/ 
> skins/css-style-dev/note.txt?rev=23196&root=Apache-SVN&view=markup.  
> You may feel able to help with some points on the list.
>
> Do not hesitate to ask any question that may arise.

If you have something specific, let me know, and I will be happy to  
help.

>> Without further ado, here's the PATCH (actually it's a diff -u of the  
>> original and the modified (on my Desktop).
>
> Can you do diffs as well for the css-style-dev if you can fix some  
> issues there? That would be very nice! This way we may can include it  
> in the upcoming release as "beta" version.

Your wish has been granted[1].

> Thanks very much again!
>
> King regards
> thorsten

You're very welcome!

Web Maestro Clay

[1]
http://issues.cocoondev.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=FOR-228

[2]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=109059296008299&w=2

[forrest-test1 OUTPUT]
[clay@Clays-TiBook cvs_stuff]$ cp -R forrest forrest-test1
cd forrest-test1[clay@Clays-TiBook cvs_stuff]$ cd forrest-test1
[clay@Clays-TiBook forrest-test1]$ bbedit  
src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/css/screen.css       
[clay@Clays-TiBook forrest-test1]$ bbedit forrest.properties
[clay@Clays-TiBook forrest-test1]$ forrest
Apache Forrest.  Run 'forrest -projecthelp' to list options

Buildfile:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest/src/core/bin/../ 
forrest.build.xml

init-props:
Loading project specific properties from  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/forrest.properties
Loading user specific properties from /Users/clay/forrest.properties
Loading default properties from  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest/src/core/bin/../context/ 
default-forrest.properties
Created dir: /Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/tmp
forrest.basic.jvmargs:-Dproject.home="/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/ 
forrest-test1"  
-Dforrest.home="/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest/src/core/bin/ 
.."

echo-settings:

check-skin:

fetch-skins-descriptors:

fetch-skin:

unpack-skins:

init-skins:

init:

bare-context:
____________________________________
Using skin css-style-dev
____________________________________
Created dir: /Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/webapp
Copying 560 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/webapp
Created dir:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/webapp/WEB-INF/lib

examine-proj:

check-contentdir:

ensure-content:

validation-props:

validate-xdocs:
48 file(s) have been successfully validated.
...validated xdocs

validate-skinconf:
1 file(s) have been successfully validated.
...validated skinconf

validate-sitemap:
...validated sitemap

validate-skins-stylesheets:

validate-skins:

validate-skinchoice:
...validated existence of skin 'css-style-dev'

validate-stylesheets:

validate:

copy-sitemap:

copy-conf:
Copying 1 file to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/webapp/WEB-INF

copy-status:
Copying 1 file to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/webapp

project-context:

prepare-context:

-prepare-classpath:

site:
Created dir:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/tmp/cocoon-work

Static site will be generated at:
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site

Note that there are various reasons for "build failed" messages.
* Cocoon will report the status of each document:
   - in column 1: *=okay X=brokenLink ^=pageSkipped (see FAQ).
* Even if only one link is broken, you will still get "failed".
* Your site would still be generated, but some pages would be broken.
* Please check the file:
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/tmp/brokenlinks.xml
for any broken links in the generated site.

Copying 3 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site
Created dir:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin/images
Copying 19 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin/images
Copying 17 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin/images
Warning:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/src/documentation/skins/ 
common/images not found.
Warning:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/src/documentation/skins/ 
css-style-dev/images not found.
Copying 7 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin
Copied 3 empty directories to 2 empty directories under  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin
Copying 6 files to  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/build/site/skin
Warning:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/src/documentation/skins/ 
common not found.
Warning:  
/Users/Shared/_WebDLs/cvs_stuff/forrest-test1/src/documentation/skins/ 
css-style-dev not found.
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Copyright (c) 1999-2004 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved.
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Re: [PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Hello Clay,

Clay Leeds wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>
>>> Does it make sense to add this to the css-style skin?
>>
>>
>> Yes I think so.  If it looks better and works for the major browsers, 
>> why not?
>>
>> If you want to provide a patch, we'd gladly apply it.  If you do, 
>> create a new issue in the issue tracker and attach it there.
>
>
> Unfortunately, the Issue Tracker is down. I'm not sure which css file 
> I should be modifying (the .css file in css-style? if so, where does 
> it live? here[1]? somewhere in this thread[2]? :-)).
>

http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/skins/?root=Apache-SVN

If you using latest SVN you can find the latest version of the 
css-style-dev skin at {forrest}/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev

> The PATCH I created fixes the .content ul (any ul under .content) 
> style, as well as the .menu ul (any ul under .menu) style. I didn't 
> make any changes to the ol element. The only example I could find[3] 
> didn't look like it needed any help.


The css-style needs very much attention regarding that topic :). Help 
here is really appreciated. Have a look at 
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/src/core/context/skins/css-style-dev/note.txt?rev=23196&root=Apache-SVN&view=markup. 
You may feel able to help with some points on the list.

Do not hesitate to ask any question that may arise.

>
> Without further ado, here's the PATCH (actually it's a diff -u of the 
> original and the modified (on my Desktop).
>

Can you do diffs as well for the css-style-dev if you can fix some 
issues there? That would be very nice! This way we may can include it in 
the upcoming release as "beta" version.

Thanks very much again!

King regards
thorsten

> [1]
> http://www.apache.org/~thorsten/prueba/
>
> [2]
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=108893893120228&w=2
>
> [3]
> http://forrest.apache.org/build.html
>
> Clay Leeds - cleeds@medata.com




[PATCH] css list-items (was Re: css list-items)

Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
On Jul 24, 2004, at 11:29 AM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>> Does it make sense to add this to the css-style skin?
>
> Yes I think so.  If it looks better and works for the major browsers, 
> why not?
>
> If you want to provide a patch, we'd gladly apply it.  If you do, 
> create a new issue in the issue tracker and attach it there.

Unfortunately, the Issue Tracker is down. I'm not sure which css file I 
should be modifying (the .css file in css-style? if so, where does it 
live? here[1]? somewhere in this thread[2]? :-)).

The PATCH I created fixes the .content ul (any ul under .content) 
style, as well as the .menu ul (any ul under .menu) style. I didn't 
make any changes to the ol element. The only example I could find[3] 
didn't look like it needed any help.

Without further ado, here's the PATCH (actually it's a diff -u of the 
original and the modified (on my Desktop).

--- forrest//src/core/context/skins/forrest-site/css/page.css	Sat Jul 
24 20:59:07 2004
+++ /Users/clay/Desktop/page.css	Sat Jul 24 21:18:51 2004
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
  .menu a:link { color: #FFFFFF;  text-decoration : none;  }
  .menu a:visited { color: #FFFFFF; text-decoration : none; }
  .menu a:hover { color: #FFCC00; text-decoration : none; }
-.menu ul { margin: 0px 0px 0px 15px; padding-left: 15px; }
+.menu ul { margin: 0px 0px 0px 8px; padding: 2px 2px 2px 8px; }
  .menu li  { list-style-image: url('images/label.gif'); font-weight : 
bold; }
  .menu ul ul li .sel { list-style-image: url('images/current.gif'); 
font-weight : normal; }
  .menu ul ul li  { list-style-image: url('images/page.gif'); 
font-weight : normal; }
@@ -59,6 +59,7 @@
  .content .ForrestTable th { text-align: center; }
  .content .ForrestTable td { background-color: #f0f0ff; color: black; }
  .content .attribution { text-align: right; font-style: italic; 
font-size: 90% }
+.content ul { margin-left: 11px; padding-left: 11px; }

  .frame { margin: 5px 20px 5px 20px; font-size: 90%; }
  .frame .content { margin: 0px; }

[1]
http://www.apache.org/~thorsten/prueba/

[2]
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=forrest-dev&m=108893893120228&w=2

[3]
http://forrest.apache.org/build.html

Clay Leeds - cleeds@medata.com
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Re: css list-items

Posted by Dave Brondsema <da...@brondsema.net>.
Clay Leeds wrote:
> One thing that annoys me about HTML lists, is the indent level seems 
> excessive. It really shows on the Apache Forrest TOC output (any page 
> with a TOC will do for an example, but the Forrest FAQ really shows 
> it[1]). Eric Meyer and A List Apart have a great tutorials about taming 
> lists[2] & [3]. Eric pretty much '[b]oils it all down' to this [2]:
> 
>> Boil it all down, and what we're left with is this: if you want 
>> consistent rendering of lists between Explorer 5.x and Netscape 6.x, 
>> you need to set both the left margin and left padding of the UL 
>> element. We can ignore LI altogether for these purposes. If you want 
>> to reproduce the default display in Netscape 6.x, you write:
>>
>>   ul {margin-left: 0; padding-left: 2.5em;}
>>
>> If you're more interested in following the Explorer model, then:
>>
>>   ul {margin-left: 2.5em; padding-left: 0;}
>>
>> Of course, you can fill in your own preferred values. Split the 
>> different and set both to 1.25em, if you like. If you want to reset 
>> lists to have no indentation, then you still have to zero out both 
>> padding and margin:
>>
>>   ul {margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0;}
> 
> 
> Does it make sense to add this to the css-style skin?
> 

Yes I think so.  If it looks better and works for the major browsers, 
why not?

If you want to provide a patch, we'd gladly apply it.  If you do, create 
a new issue in the issue tracker and attach it there.

-- 
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http://www.splike.com : programming
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