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[VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Hi general@,
Further to the proposed graduation resolution (https://s.apache.org/0x3wx)
this thread opens an IPMC VOTE on graduating the Apache Flagon (Incubating)
podling as a TLP. The clutch analysis for Flagon looks good with the
podling status page being updated to reflect project health. Flagon has
made several releases during its incubation period.
Please VOTE as follows
[ ] +1 - Graduate and establish Apache Flagon as a TLP
[ ] 0
[ ] -1 - Do not graduate Apache Flagon because...
This vote will open for at least 72 hours.
P.S. here is my IPMC-binding +1
Thanks
lewismc
=============================
The draft resolution:
Establish the Apache Flagon Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
the public, related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
user testing.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Flagon Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
user testing, and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Flagon be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache Flagon Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Flagon Project:
* Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
* Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>
* Laura Mariano <lm...@apache.org>
* Clayton Gimenez <cg...@apache.org>
* Alex Ford <af...@apache.org>
* Steve York <py...@apache.org>
* Michelle Beard <ms...@apache.org>
* Robert Foley <rf...@apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Joshua Poore
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Flagon, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Flagon PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator Flagon podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator Flagon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Ming Wen. Thanks for looking at this.
On 2020/10/08 03:18:59, Ming Wen <we...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,Lewis
>
> Is there a discussion thread in the incubator?
Yes I just posted it - https://s.apache.org/0x3wx
Thanks
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Ming Wen <we...@apache.org>.
Hi,Lewis
Is there a discussion thread in the incubator?
lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>于2020年10月8日 周四上午11:13写道：
> Hi general@,
>
> Further to the proposed graduation resolution (https://s.apache.org/0x3wx)
> this thread opens an IPMC VOTE on graduating the Apache Flagon (Incubating)
> podling as a TLP. The clutch analysis for Flagon looks good with the
> podling status page being updated to reflect project health. Flagon has
> made several releases during its incubation period.
>
> Please VOTE as follows
>
> [ ] +1 - Graduate and establish Apache Flagon as a TLP
> [ ] 0
> [ ] -1 - Do not graduate Apache Flagon because...
>
> This vote will open for at least 72 hours.
>
> P.S. here is my IPMC-binding +1
>
> Thanks
> lewismc
>
> =============================
>
> The draft resolution:
>
> Establish the Apache Flagon Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Flagon Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Flagon be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache Flagon Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache Flagon Project:
>
> * Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
> * Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>
> * Laura Mariano <lm...@apache.org>
> * Clayton Gimenez <cg...@apache.org>
> * Alex Ford <af...@apache.org>
> * Steve York <py...@apache.org>
> * Michelle Beard <ms...@apache.org>
> * Robert Foley <rf...@apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Joshua Poore
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Flagon, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Flagon PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
--
Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing
Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Ming Wen <we...@apache.org>.
Hi,Lewis
Is there a discussion thread in the incubator?
lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>于2020年10月8日 周四上午11:13写道：
> Hi general@,
>
> Further to the proposed graduation resolution (https://s.apache.org/0x3wx)
> this thread opens an IPMC VOTE on graduating the Apache Flagon (Incubating)
> podling as a TLP. The clutch analysis for Flagon looks good with the
> podling status page being updated to reflect project health. Flagon has
> made several releases during its incubation period.
>
> Please VOTE as follows
>
> [ ] +1 - Graduate and establish Apache Flagon as a TLP
> [ ] 0
> [ ] -1 - Do not graduate Apache Flagon because...
>
> This vote will open for at least 72 hours.
>
> P.S. here is my IPMC-binding +1
>
> Thanks
> lewismc
>
> =============================
>
> The draft resolution:
>
> Establish the Apache Flagon Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Flagon Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Flagon be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache Flagon Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache Flagon Project:
>
> * Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
> * Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>
> * Laura Mariano <lm...@apache.org>
> * Clayton Gimenez <cg...@apache.org>
> * Alex Ford <af...@apache.org>
> * Steve York <py...@apache.org>
> * Michelle Beard <ms...@apache.org>
> * Robert Foley <rf...@apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Joshua Poore
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Flagon, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Flagon PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
--
Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking
Twitter: _WenMing
Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your input so far
On 2020/10/08 05:39:34, Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The PPMC members not subscribed are my other concern.
I'll work with those PPMC members on that. Thanks for identifying this.
lewismc
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ACTIONS RE Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>.
Back on this…
have captured actions I gleaned from previous thread here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLAGON/Incubator+Graduation
I’m going to get to work on these as well as a new release to ensure we’re clear by ASF policy in the way we distribute to NPM. (I’ve got nothing to do for the next two weeks!)
If anyone sees or thinks of anything I’ve missed, please post to this thread or to the confluence page above.
Let’s get it done.
Josh
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
> Date: October 20, 2020 at 1:06:52 AM EDT
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> Hi All,
>
>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> On 2020/10/08 06:22:37, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So assuming 2 of the products are no longer maintained but it looks like the other 2 without releases are. Are they going to be maintained and is there some intention of making a releases of them in the future?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Products which have been released
>>> * UserALE.js
>
> UserALE.js has had Apache releases and is actively maintained and developed against. Should be a new minor release later this quarter
>
>>>
>>> Products which may be released
>>> * UserALE.PyQt5 (I think)
>
> UserALE.pyqt5 will be retired
>
>>>
>>> Product which have not been released and are not maintained
>>> * Distill - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/ <http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/>
>>> * TAP - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/tap/ <http://flagon.apache.org/docs/tap/>
>>> * STOUT - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/stout/ <http://flagon.apache.org/docs/stout/>
>
> STOUT and TAP will also be retired
>
> We’re pulling relevant functionality from those to sub-projects into Distill, which will be released after a significant refactor.
>
>>
>> Assuming that the IP is clear and a future release has no known Policy issues then I’m ok.
>>
>> If these are truly to be retired then it might be friendly to make the repository read only after adding a DISCLAIMER to the README file. This DISCLAIMER might include that the repository may not have all the expected IP review that an Apache Release has and that it should be used to the user’s own risk.
>
> We have some disclaimers notices in our READMEs, but agree should also go in DISCLAIMER file until projects are shelved or re-released. Good action.
>
> Will coordinate with docs/website update
>
> Will also beat bushes to get committers subscribed to the right lists.
>
>>
>> Not blockers to me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>
> Thanks, all!
>
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies.
>>> Thank you
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>.
Hi All,
> On Oct 8, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> On 2020/10/08 06:22:37, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So assuming 2 of the products are no longer maintained but it looks like the other 2 without releases are. Are they going to be maintained and is there some intention of making a releases of them in the future?
>>>
>>
>> Products which have been released
>> * UserALE.js
UserALE.js has had Apache releases and is actively maintained and developed against. Should be a new minor release later this quarter
>>
>> Products which may be released
>> * UserALE.PyQt5 (I think)
UserALE.pyqt5 will be retired
>>
>> Product which have not been released and are not maintained
>> * Distill - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/
>> * TAP - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/tap/
>> * STOUT - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/stout/
STOUT and TAP will also be retired
We’re pulling relevant functionality from those to sub-projects into Distill, which will be released after a significant refactor.
>
> Assuming that the IP is clear and a future release has no known Policy issues then I’m ok.
>
> If these are truly to be retired then it might be friendly to make the repository read only after adding a DISCLAIMER to the README file. This DISCLAIMER might include that the repository may not have all the expected IP review that an Apache Release has and that it should be used to the user’s own risk.
We have some disclaimers notices in our READMEs, but agree should also go in DISCLAIMER file until projects are shelved or re-released. Good action.
Will coordinate with docs/website update
Will also beat bushes to get committers subscribed to the right lists.
>
> Not blockers to me.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
Thanks, all!
>>
>> I hope this clarifies.
>> Thank you
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Oct 8, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> On 2020/10/08 06:22:37, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> So assuming 2 of the products are no longer maintained but it looks like the other 2 without releases are. Are they going to be maintained and is there some intention of making a releases of them in the future?
>>
>
> Products which have been released
> * UserALE.js
>
> Products which may be released
> * UserALE.PyQt5 (I think)
>
> Product which have not been released and are not maintained
> * Distill - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/
> * TAP - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/tap/
> * STOUT - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/stout/
Assuming that the IP is clear and a future release has no known Policy issues then I’m ok.
If these are truly to be retired then it might be friendly to make the repository read only after adding a DISCLAIMER to the README file. This DISCLAIMER might include that the repository may not have all the expected IP review that an Apache Release has and that it should be used to the user’s own risk.
Not blockers to me.
Regards,
Dave
>
> I hope this clarifies.
> Thank you
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
On 2020/10/08 06:22:37, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> So assuming 2 of the products are no longer maintained but it looks like the other 2 without releases are. Are they going to be maintained and is there some intention of making a releases of them in the future?
>
Products which have been released
* UserALE.js
Products which may be released
* UserALE.PyQt5 (I think)
Product which have not been released and are not maintained
* Distill - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/
* TAP - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/tap/
* STOUT - http://flagon.apache.org/docs/stout/
I hope this clarifies.
Thank you
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Only UserALE.js has been released under SensSoft (Incubating) and Flagon (Incubating) names. No other products have been released so this is a non-topic in my opinion.
So assuming 2 of the products are no longer maintained but it looks like the other 2 without releases are. Are they going to be maintained and is there some intention of making a releases of them in the future?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
Thanks for taking a look at this...
On 2020/10/08 05:45:12, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> HI,
>
> > I don’t care which products you have as long as the most recent for each is a proper Apache release.
>
> I could be mistaken (given the name change) but there only seems to be only Apache releases for UserALE.js, although two of the products may be no longer used and have been dropped. The releases that have been made look fine to me. Perhaps an update of the website is needed to show this more clearly?
Only UserALE.js has been released under SensSoft (Incubating) and Flagon (Incubating) names. No other products have been released so this is a non-topic in my opinion.
I don't think any update needs to be made to the Website... language already exists in numerous places explicit stating which products are deprecated.
Thanks again Justin.
lewismc
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> I don’t care which products you have as long as the most recent for each is a proper Apache release.
I could be mistaken (given the name change) but there only seems to be only Apache releases for UserALE.js, although two of the products may be no longer used and have been dropped. The releases that have been made look fine to me. Perhaps an update of the website is needed to show this more clearly?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
There was a discussion about graduation in September. Please look for it.
I recall the name change https://issues.apache.org/jira/plugins/servlet/mobile#issue/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-154
IPMC members need to go beyond what shows up on whimsy especially with a name change. There is a likely bug in Whimsy.
Lewis is a Mentor and I respect Tim and Furkan. I do need to verify their +1.
The maturity model is not a requirement.
I don’t care which products you have as long as the most recent for each is a proper Apache release.
The PPMC members not subscribed are my other concern.
I’ll check further tomorrow.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lewis
>
> Please provide your discussion and vote from your community.
> And typically, we hope to see
> 1. Apache Maturity Model Assessment
> 2. What your mentors would like to say
> 3. How many release managers have been involved in the successful release
> process
> 4. Website check
> 5. Name search
>
> Please talk with your mentors, who could help you more.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org> 于2020年10月8日周四 上午11:13写道：
>
>> Hi general@,
>>
>> Further to the proposed graduation resolution (https://s.apache.org/0x3wx)
>> this thread opens an IPMC VOTE on graduating the Apache Flagon (Incubating)
>> podling as a TLP. The clutch analysis for Flagon looks good with the
>> podling status page being updated to reflect project health. Flagon has
>> made several releases during its incubation period.
>>
>> Please VOTE as follows
>>
>> [ ] +1 - Graduate and establish Apache Flagon as a TLP
>> [ ] 0
>> [ ] -1 - Do not graduate Apache Flagon because...
>>
>> This vote will open for at least 72 hours.
>>
>> P.S. here is my IPMC-binding +1
>>
>> Thanks
>> lewismc
>>
>> =============================
>>
>> The draft resolution:
>>
>> Establish the Apache Flagon Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> the public, related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
>> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
>> user testing.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Flagon Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
>> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
>> user testing, and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Flagon be
>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> of the Apache Flagon Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>> responsibility of the Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> Apache Flagon Project:
>>
>> * Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
>> * Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>
>> * Laura Mariano <lm...@apache.org>
>> * Clayton Gimenez <cg...@apache.org>
>> * Alex Ford <af...@apache.org>
>> * Steve York <py...@apache.org>
>> * Michelle Beard <ms...@apache.org>
>> * Robert Foley <rf...@apache.org>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Joshua Poore
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Flagon, to
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Flagon PMC be and hereby is
>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> Incubator Flagon podling; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator Flagon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org> 于2020年10月8日周四 下午2:09写道：
> Hi Sheng Wu, thanks for looking at this.
>
> On 2020/10/08 03:47:08, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Lewis
> >
> > Please provide your discussion and vote from your community.
>
> Please see the thread I referenced https://s.apache.org/0x3wx
>
> > And typically, we hope to see
> > 1. Apache Maturity Model Assessment
>
> I have absolutely no idea what this is. It is not referenced from the
> Incubator Website navigation. Can you please provide a link? Thanks
>
It is from here,
https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
You also could find some examples on this page too.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
>
> > 2. What your mentors would like to say
>
> OK, I'll encourage them to contribute to this VOTE. That's the point of a
> VOTE right :)
>
> > 3. How many release managers have been involved in the successful release
> > process
>
> Joshua Poore (poorejc) and myself (lewismc)
>
> > 4. Website check
>
> Do you mean podling status webpage? Everything in the clutch analysis is
> marked as green
> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/flagon.html
>
> > 5. Name search
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-154
>
> >
> > Please talk with your mentors, who could help you more.
>
> I am a mentor. I've mentored this project since it entered the Incubator
> in 2016. I'm trying to assist them with their graduation desires.
>
> Thanks again for reviewing.
> lewismc
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> I have absolutely no idea what this is. It is not referenced from the Incubator Website navigation. Can you please provide a link?
See [1]. However it is not required to be filled in for a project to graduate.
Thanks,
Justin
1. http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Sheng Wu, thanks for looking at this.
On 2020/10/08 03:47:08, Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Lewis
>
> Please provide your discussion and vote from your community.
Please see the thread I referenced https://s.apache.org/0x3wx
> And typically, we hope to see
> 1. Apache Maturity Model Assessment
I have absolutely no idea what this is. It is not referenced from the Incubator Website navigation. Can you please provide a link? Thanks
> 2. What your mentors would like to say
OK, I'll encourage them to contribute to this VOTE. That's the point of a VOTE right :)
> 3. How many release managers have been involved in the successful release
> process
Joshua Poore (poorejc) and myself (lewismc)
> 4. Website check
Do you mean podling status webpage? Everything in the clutch analysis is marked as green
https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/flagon.html
> 5. Name search
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-154
>
> Please talk with your mentors, who could help you more.
I am a mentor. I've mentored this project since it entered the Incubator in 2016. I'm trying to assist them with their graduation desires.
Thanks again for reviewing.
lewismc
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Sheng Wu <wu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Lewis
Please provide your discussion and vote from your community.
And typically, we hope to see
1. Apache Maturity Model Assessment
2. What your mentors would like to say
3. How many release managers have been involved in the successful release
process
4. Website check
5. Name search
Please talk with your mentors, who could help you more.
Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108
lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org> 于2020年10月8日周四 上午11:13写道：
> Hi general@,
>
> Further to the proposed graduation resolution (https://s.apache.org/0x3wx)
> this thread opens an IPMC VOTE on graduating the Apache Flagon (Incubating)
> podling as a TLP. The clutch analysis for Flagon looks good with the
> podling status page being updated to reflect project health. Flagon has
> made several releases during its incubation period.
>
> Please VOTE as follows
>
> [ ] +1 - Graduate and establish Apache Flagon as a TLP
> [ ] 0
> [ ] -1 - Do not graduate Apache Flagon because...
>
> This vote will open for at least 72 hours.
>
> P.S. here is my IPMC-binding +1
>
> Thanks
> lewismc
>
> =============================
>
> The draft resolution:
>
> Establish the Apache Flagon Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> the public, related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Flagon Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> related to thin-client behavioral logging capability
> useful for business analytics, usage analytics, usability and
> user testing, and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Flagon be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache Flagon Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache Flagon Project:
>
> * Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
> * Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>
> * Laura Mariano <lm...@apache.org>
> * Clayton Gimenez <cg...@apache.org>
> * Alex Ford <af...@apache.org>
> * Steve York <py...@apache.org>
> * Michelle Beard <ms...@apache.org>
> * Robert Foley <rf...@apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Joshua Poore
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Flagon, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Flagon PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache Flagon Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Flagon Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator Flagon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>
Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
On 2020/10/08 07:48:04, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Re the logo URL I though that redirected but doesn’t they https://apache.org/logos/
Thanks for pointing this out. I'll go ahead and revive the Flagon logo thread we had on dev@flagon. This is by no means a blocker for graduation though.
>
> The points were (and were repeated for 4 reports):
>
> 1. Grow the Flagon Committer/Contributor/Community Base
> 2. Refine release processes for core analytic product (Distill)
> 3. Finalize (through vote) Flagon logo, get marketing approvals (e.g swag)
Your quite right Justin. These 'were' stated and repeated. The question they were in response to was "### Three most important unfinished issues to address before graduating:" I've never really liked this question as it indicates that the project cannot graduate before it fixes three abitrary things. For example, if "Defining [a] release process"... really blocking for the podling graduating? No in my opinion it is not. Similarly, is finalizing a logo? In my opinion it is not.
I would like to see this question rephrased to "### Three most important unfinished issues to make progress on before graduating:"
I will also comment that these "Three most important unfinished issues" can change over time if more "important unfinished issues" come up. In light of that, the October2020 report accurately reflects the state of the project i.e. that it is ready for graduation.
>
> So it looks like the project did intend to release Distill?
>
It 'did' in the past but no longer does. This is a sign of product and community maturation. Distill is no longer actively maintained by the community. This is stated in bold on the product documentation http://flagon.apache.org/docs/distill/
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for your answers.
Re the logo URL I though that redirected but doesn’t they https://apache.org/logos/
The points were (and were repeated for 4 reports):
1. Grow the Flagon Committer/Contributor/Community Base
2. Refine release processes for core analytic product (Distill)
3. Finalize (through vote) Flagon logo, get marketing approvals (e.g swag)
So it looks like the project did intend to release Distill?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Lewis John McGibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
I'll comment here as well
On 2020/10/08 04:34:34, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I didi my usual check and most things look good, but I can see a couple of minor things. Hopefully the mentors can comment on the following:
> - Logo is missing form logos.apache.org
There is no such subdomain... can you double check the URL? Thank you
> - A few of the proposed PMC are not subscribed to the private list (Alex, Laura, Steve)
I will encourage them to join. Thanks for pointing that out.
> - It’s been a long time since the project added any committers (Looks like the last was Arthi on 2017-01-24?)
Correct. I understand that this may indicate that the project is not attracting contributors but I have never seen this as a blocker for graduation. There are plenty of TLP's that have a small committer base and who have not added committters in a while. Apache Any23 is one example that I know.
> - There doesn’t seem to be a lot of traffic on the mailing lists (dev and especially user)
Correct. Again, this is a small project with a small user base. I don't think that this blocks graduation though.
> - There seems to be several products (UserALE, Distill, Tap and Stout) but I only see release votes for UserALE. How are the other products released?
They are not released and will not be. They are deprecated as indicated on the Website.
> - There also seem to be a python version of UserALE but I don’t see any release votes for it either.
Correct. It was never released.
> - The last four board reports have listed the same goals to reach graduation. Has any progress been made on these?
Based on the October2020 report (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/October2020#flagon) we following are defined
Work with IPMC to approve draft graduation resolution (blocking)
Update release practices to be consistent with NPM, Python registry (non-blocking)
Push new UserALE.js release (non-blocking)
This looks good to me and reflects reality. Do you have any further comments?
Thanks Justin
lewismc
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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flagon (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
I didi my usual check and most things look good, but I can see a couple of minor things. Hopefully the mentors can comment on the following:
- Logo is missing form logos.apache.org
- A few of the proposed PMC are not subscribed to the private list (Alex, Laura, Steve)
- It’s been a long time since the project added any committers (Looks like the last was Arthi on 2017-01-24?)
- There doesn’t seem to be a lot of traffic on the mailing lists (dev and especially user)
- There seems to be several products (UserALE, Distill, Tap and Stout) but I only see release votes for UserALE. How are the other products released?
- There also seem to be a python version of UserALE but I don’t see any release votes for it either.
- The last four board reports have listed the same goals to reach graduation. Has any progress been made on these?
Thanks,
Justin
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