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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com> on 2014/04/25 14:01:56 UTC
[ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
ls,
to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
last minute pressure.
--
Daan
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM, ilya musayev
<il...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not saying this should not happen - its certainly helpful, but judging
> by general trend, people tend not to use stable release until the patch 1
> comes out. This is industry standard practice. Everyone waits for update 1.
so you are saying we should release x.y.0 without to much fuzz and put
our effort in x.y.1?
> So while we can use it for testing purposes as dev, i'd not expect high
> adoption. Speaking of which, we also need nightly builds of no-redist
> version.
I think we have one, in jenkins
http://jenkins.buildacloud.org/view/4.4/job/cloudstack-4.4-maven-build-noredist/
As i paste the link it occurs to me you mean the rpm/deb builds for no
redist, right?
>
>
>
> On 4/25/14, 5:01 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
>>
>> ls,
>>
>> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
>> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
>> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
>> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
>> last minute pressure.
>>
>
--
Daan
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by ilya musayev <il...@gmail.com>.
I'm not saying this should not happen - its certainly helpful, but
judging by general trend, people tend not to use stable release until
the patch 1 comes out. This is industry standard practice. Everyone
waits for update 1.
So while we can use it for testing purposes as dev, i'd not expect high
adoption. Speaking of which, we also need nightly builds of no-redist
version.
On 4/25/14, 5:01 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> ls,
>
> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
> last minute pressure.
>
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
or just RC1
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Alex Hitchins <al...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
>> confusing?
>
>
> so call it beta
>
> --
> Daan
--
Daan
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Alex Hitchins <al...@alexhitchins.com> wrote:
> confusing?
so call it beta
--
Daan
RE: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Alex Hitchins <al...@alexhitchins.com>.
I think having RC1 as an alpha would be confusing. To me, alphas are cutting
edge nightly build versions.
Anyone else think this could be confusing?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tutkowski [mailto:mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com]
Sent: 25 April 2014 22:03
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
It might be interesting to put out RC1 as an Alpha...even if we spin it up
several times (we would still just release only the first RC as an Alpha and
not follow up with other RCs for Alpha purposes).
Most of the users probably wouldn't hit the issues we find with the RCs
right away anyways, so they would still serve the useful purpose of pounding
away on other aspects of the RC that maybe the developers/testers on dev@
didn't find.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Daan Hoogland
<da...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yes,
> I must admit I have a secondary objectiive. It will force me to
> investigate the release procedure before the moment supreme. I don't
> know to much about it yet.
> On the other hand; Publising it on users@ might give some people with
> time at hand or stakes in the next relese to test it.
> Anything to improve how we went last time?
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Mike Tutkowski
> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> > So, are you thinking we'd reach a certain point in the dev/test
> > cycle,
> then
> > notify people on users@ that they can download and test the official
> Alpha
> > release of version x.y?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Daan Hoogland
> ><daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> It would be a case of 'here is something, please put your teeth in it'
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Mike Tutkowski
> >> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Daan,
> >> >
> >> > I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how
> >> > this
> >> alpha
> >> > testing would fit into our schedule?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ls,
> >> >>
> >> >> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to
> >> >> do alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that
> >> >> more of the last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen
> >> >> earlier, thus relieving both the release manager and the citrix
> >> >> QA department of
> the
> >> >> last minute pressure.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Daan
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > *Mike Tutkowski*
> >> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> >> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> >> > o: 303.746.7302
> >> > Advancing the way the world uses the
> >> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> >> > *(tm)*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daan
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Mike Tutkowski*
> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> > o: 303.746.7302
> > Advancing the way the world uses the
> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> > *(tm)*
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>
--
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
*(tm)*
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Mike Tutkowski <mi...@solidfire.com>.
It might be interesting to put out RC1 as an Alpha...even if we spin it up
several times (we would still just release only the first RC as an Alpha
and not follow up with other RCs for Alpha purposes).
Most of the users probably wouldn't hit the issues we find with the RCs
right away anyways, so they would still serve the useful purpose of
pounding away on other aspects of the RC that maybe the developers/testers
on dev@ didn't find.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yes,
> I must admit I have a secondary objectiive. It will force me to
> investigate the release procedure before the moment supreme. I don't
> know to much about it yet.
> On the other hand; Publising it on users@ might give some people with
> time at hand or stakes in the next relese to test it.
> Anything to improve how we went last time?
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Mike Tutkowski
> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> > So, are you thinking we'd reach a certain point in the dev/test cycle,
> then
> > notify people on users@ that they can download and test the official
> Alpha
> > release of version x.y?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> It would be a case of 'here is something, please put your teeth in it'
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Mike Tutkowski
> >> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Daan,
> >> >
> >> > I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how this
> >> alpha
> >> > testing would fit into our schedule?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ls,
> >> >>
> >> >> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
> >> >> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
> >> >> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
> >> >> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of
> the
> >> >> last minute pressure.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Daan
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > *Mike Tutkowski*
> >> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> >> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> >> > o: 303.746.7302
> >> > Advancing the way the world uses the
> >> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> >> > *(tm)*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daan
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Mike Tutkowski*
> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> > o: 303.746.7302
> > Advancing the way the world uses the
> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> > *(tm)*
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>
--
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
*(tm)*
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
Yes,
I must admit I have a secondary objectiive. It will force me to
investigate the release procedure before the moment supreme. I don't
know to much about it yet.
On the other hand; Publising it on users@ might give some people with
time at hand or stakes in the next relese to test it.
Anything to improve how we went last time?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Mike Tutkowski
<mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> So, are you thinking we'd reach a certain point in the dev/test cycle, then
> notify people on users@ that they can download and test the official Alpha
> release of version x.y?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It would be a case of 'here is something, please put your teeth in it'
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Mike Tutkowski
>> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Daan,
>> >
>> > I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how this
>> alpha
>> > testing would fit into our schedule?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> ls,
>> >>
>> >> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
>> >> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
>> >> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
>> >> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
>> >> last minute pressure.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Daan
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Mike Tutkowski*
>> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
>> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
>> > o: 303.746.7302
>> > Advancing the way the world uses the
>> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
>> > *(tm)*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daan
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mike Tutkowski*
> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> o: 303.746.7302
> Advancing the way the world uses the
> cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> *(tm)*
--
Daan
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Mike Tutkowski <mi...@solidfire.com>.
So, are you thinking we'd reach a certain point in the dev/test cycle, then
notify people on users@ that they can download and test the official Alpha
release of version x.y?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
> It would be a case of 'here is something, please put your teeth in it'
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Mike Tutkowski
> <mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> > Hi Daan,
> >
> > I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how this
> alpha
> > testing would fit into our schedule?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogland@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> ls,
> >>
> >> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
> >> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
> >> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
> >> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
> >> last minute pressure.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daan
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Mike Tutkowski*
> > *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> > e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> > o: 303.746.7302
> > Advancing the way the world uses the
> > cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> > *(tm)*
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>
--
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
*(tm)*
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>.
It would be a case of 'here is something, please put your teeth in it'
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Mike Tutkowski
<mi...@solidfire.com> wrote:
> Hi Daan,
>
> I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how this alpha
> testing would fit into our schedule?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> ls,
>>
>> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
>> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
>> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
>> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
>> last minute pressure.
>>
>> --
>> Daan
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mike Tutkowski*
> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
> o: 303.746.7302
> Advancing the way the world uses the
> cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
> *(tm)*
--
Daan
Re: [ACS44][DISCUSS] alpha releases for testing
Posted by Mike Tutkowski <mi...@solidfire.com>.
Hi Daan,
I'm all for earlier testing, of course, but can you clarify how this alpha
testing would fit into our schedule?
Thanks!
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Daan Hoogland <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
> ls,
>
> to facilitate and encourage testing, would it be a good idea to do
> alpha releases of the 4.4 branche early? the idea is that more of the
> last minute testing we had with 4.3 will happen earlier, thus
> relieving both the release manager and the citrix QA department of the
> last minute pressure.
>
> --
> Daan
>
--
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the
cloud<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>
*(tm)*