[RESULT][VOTE] Remove commercial tasks from Ant

[Bruce Atherton <br...@callenish.com>]

The results of the vote are in. Both motions passed.

The motion to drop the commercial tasks from the binary release of Ant 
had 13 +1 votes for almost all the commercial tasks, and no -1 votes. 
The one exception was the Server Deploy subtasks, which Gilles voted +0 
on, resulting in 12 +1 votes and 1 +0 vote. Stefan also expressed some 
concern about the complexity of moving them to Antlibs. We should 
probably discuss how to move these separately now that their removal has 
been approved.

The motion to move the tasks into their own Antlibs had 10 +1 votes and 
3 +0 votes with no -1 votes. This motion also passes.

Votes came from Stefan, Gilles, Jesse, Jan, Kevin, Dominique, Antoine, 
Matt, Conor, myself, Peter, Martijn, and Maarten,

The next step I'd like to take is to contact all the companies that make 
the commercial software whose tasks we are removing. With any luck some 
of them will take over responsibility for the tasks. It will take me a 
while to do this, though (I've just recently changed cities so my life 
is in a bit of upheaval) so if anyone wants to help out, particularly if 
they have connections in some of the organizations involved, please let 
me know and we can coordinate things.

Once we have alerted the parties involved about the change, we can start 
removing the tasks and creating new Antlibs in the sandbox. Are there 
targets available anywhere to facilitate the creation of standard new 
Antlibs?


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Re: Contacting vendors

[Bruce Atherton <br...@callenish.com>]

On 06/07/2010 1:57 AM, Kevin Jackson wrote:
> How about adding that of course the customers can continue to use the
> current version of Ant as is with the tasks integrated and that it
> will only affect people that use the latest versions (ok my wording is
> crappy, but to let them know that we're not dropping support from the
> current version, just for future development)
>    

Good point. I'll add that.


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Re: Contacting vendors

[Kevin Jackson <fo...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

>> Sure. How about this as a first attempt. Feedback and suggestions
>> appreciated.
>

How about adding that of course the customers can continue to use the
current version of Ant as is with the tasks integrated and that it
will only affect people that use the latest versions (ok my wording is
crappy, but to let them know that we're not dropping support from the
current version, just for future development)

Kev

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Re: Contacting vendors

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>]

On 2010-07-01, Bruce Atherton wrote:

> On 30/06/2010 4:43 AM, Jan Matèrne wrote:
>> Could you provide a mail 'template' we could use?
>> I could try to contact the Synergy-people at IBM.

> Sure. How about this as a first attempt. Feedback and suggestions
> appreciated.

"I am not a native speaker" disclaimer - looks good to me.

Stefan

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Contacting vendors (was [RESULT][VOTE] Remove commercial tasks from Ant)

[Bruce Atherton <br...@callenish.com>]

On 30/06/2010 4:43 AM, Jan Matèrne wrote:
> Could you provide a mail 'template' we could use?
> I could try to contact the Synergy-people at IBM.
>    

Sure. How about this as a first attempt. Feedback and suggestions 
appreciated.

--

On behalf of the Apache Ant Project, I am writing to let you know that 
the Ant development team has recently voted to remove all commercial 
software tasks from future Ant releases, including tasks which support 
your product []. This decision was made because the developers have 
found it impossible to develop and maintain the tasks when they lack 
access to the software that the tasks are designed to interact with.

We recognize that dropping these tasks will have a negative impact on 
your customers. We therefore suggest that your organization take over 
development, maintenance, and release of the code for these tasks. If 
you do so we will provide a pointer on the Ant site indicating where 
people can find these tasks on your web site, thereby easing the 
transition for your customers.

If you are unable or unwilling to take over responsibility for these 
tasks, we will try to move them into an unsupported Ant Library. How 
long this will take is unknown, and the results are unlikely to work 
correctly since we lack the ability to test them. It will be left to 
your customers to try to figure out how to make the library work.

We plan to remove the tasks September 1st. Please let us know what your 
intentions are prior to that date so that we can plan accordingly.

Thank you.


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AW: [RESULT][VOTE] Remove commercial tasks from Ant

[Jan Matèrne <ap...@materne.de>]

> The next step I'd like to take is to contact all the companies that make
> the commercial software whose tasks we are removing. With any luck some
> of them will take over responsibility for the tasks. It will take me a
> while to do this, though (I've just recently changed cities so my life
> is in a bit of upheaval) so if anyone wants to help out, particularly
> if they have connections in some of the organizations involved, please let
> me know and we can coordinate things.

Could you provide a mail 'template' we could use?
I could try to contact the Synergy-people at IBM.



> Once we have alerted the parties involved about the change, we can start
> removing the tasks and creating new Antlibs in the sandbox. Are there
> targets available anywhere to facilitate the creation of standard new
> Antlibs?

It seems that the buildfile of the Antlib-root [1] could help.
Not sure if it is uptodate ...


Jan


[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ant/sandbox/antlibs/build.xml


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