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Approaching Darkness
Dear all,
Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
Feels at: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1651
(I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
never understood why...)
I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1652
If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Alessandro <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi Laszlo,
With regard to the editor scheme going well with the FlatLaf look and
feel I would suggest contacting Fagner Granella who contributed an IntelliJ
Darcula based editor scheme to NB Darcula:
https://github.com/granella/Netbeans-Darcula-Theme
There is no license specified in that repository thus I think it would be
best trying to contact the author.
The editor scheme could also be “ported over” from NB Darcula itself.
Do not forget that also FlatLaf has some missing pieces and could be great
to foster collaboration between the two projects. See for example some
issues here:
https://github.com/JFormDesigner/FlatLaf/issues).
Regards,
Alex
Il giorno sab 23 nov 2019 alle 10:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <
laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Dear all,
>
> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> Feels at: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1651
>
> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
> never understood why...)
>
> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1652
>
> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
>
>
>
>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
I know everybody loves Darcula and its color scheme, but there are
others around. Like: https://github.com/morhetz/gruvbox
In order to help the porting I filled an issue with a PR. Please review:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-3440
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1661
On 11/23/19 1:28 AM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> Feels at: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1651
>
> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF,
> I never understood why...)
>
> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1652
>
> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
>
>
>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by László Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Merged to the master. Happy polishing/theming!
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 01:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> Feels at: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1651
>
> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
> never understood why...)
>
> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1652
>
> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
>
>
>
>
Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 19:25 Patrik Karlström, <pa...@trixon.se> wrote:
> Really happy to see this!
> Will it also be easy to use bundled in a platform application?
> NB Darcula never really was.
>
Really?! Never had a problem with it.
Still, FlatLaF is a great step forward, and having it in the platform will
be much better - I'll look to migrate. And to do so I'll look at porting
some old dark hacks of mine to it once it makes it in master. And unlike NB
Darcula it won't have license issues! ;-)
Best wishes,
Neil
>
Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Once merged it would be the part of platform cluster, so yes.
On 11/23/19 11:24 AM, Patrik Karlström wrote:
> Really happy to see this!
> Will it also be easy to use bundled in a platform application?
> NB Darcula never really was.
>
> Den lör 23 nov. 2019 kl 20:20 skrev Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> great to hear About the FlatLaf 😊 just awesome. Please see my comment
>> here:
>> https://github.com/Revivius/nb-darcula/issues/161#issuecomment-551838335
>>
>> To make it short, we don’t Need nb-darcula anymore to be donated when we
>> implement FlatLaf, due to support of Darcula is somehow implemented as you
>> can see it in my screenshots.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Von: Tomas Poledny
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2019 19:41
>> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Approaching Darkness
>>
>> Thank you so much. It is the great news because I have still some problems
>> with Darcula but it is not maintained.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 17:01 Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 Great job Laszlo!
>>>
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>>> Dne 23. 11. 19 v 16:28 Patrick Musembi napsal(a):
>>>> Nice work.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
>>>>> Feels at:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1651&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=gLU_187vF9aTvmUsjVREmobGIVJ8vojs21GGkA3xK4Y&e=
>>>>> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF,
>> I
>>>>> never understood why...)
>>>>>
>>>>> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
>>>>> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
>>>>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1652&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=6IRm-QbYZO6PdKWXdoPTlvK364lrdxVZT9HqiviS5EA&e=
>>>>> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
>>>>> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
>>>>> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Patrik Karlström <pa...@trixon.se>.
Really happy to see this!
Will it also be easy to use bundled in a platform application?
NB Darcula never really was.
Den lör 23 nov. 2019 kl 20:20 skrev Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>:
> Hey all,
>
> great to hear About the FlatLaf 😊 just awesome. Please see my comment
> here:
> https://github.com/Revivius/nb-darcula/issues/161#issuecomment-551838335
>
> To make it short, we don’t Need nb-darcula anymore to be donated when we
> implement FlatLaf, due to support of Darcula is somehow implemented as you
> can see it in my screenshots.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: Tomas Poledny
> Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2019 19:41
> An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Approaching Darkness
>
> Thank you so much. It is the great news because I have still some problems
> with Darcula but it is not maintained.
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 17:01 Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1 Great job Laszlo!
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> > Dne 23. 11. 19 v 16:28 Patrick Musembi napsal(a):
> > > Nice work.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> > >> Feels at:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1651&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=gLU_187vF9aTvmUsjVREmobGIVJ8vojs21GGkA3xK4Y&e=
> > >>
> > >> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF,
> I
> > >> never understood why...)
> > >>
> > >> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> > >> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> > >>
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1652&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=6IRm-QbYZO6PdKWXdoPTlvK364lrdxVZT9HqiviS5EA&e=
> > >>
> > >> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> > >> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> > >> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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AW: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Hey all,
great to hear About the FlatLaf 😊 just awesome. Please see my comment here: https://github.com/Revivius/nb-darcula/issues/161#issuecomment-551838335
To make it short, we don’t Need nb-darcula anymore to be donated when we implement FlatLaf, due to support of Darcula is somehow implemented as you can see it in my screenshots.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Tomas Poledny
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2019 19:41
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Approaching Darkness
Thank you so much. It is the great news because I have still some problems
with Darcula but it is not maintained.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 17:01 Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> wrote:
> +1 Great job Laszlo!
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 23. 11. 19 v 16:28 Patrick Musembi napsal(a):
> > Nice work.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> >> Feels at:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1651&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=gLU_187vF9aTvmUsjVREmobGIVJ8vojs21GGkA3xK4Y&e=
> >>
> >> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
> >> never understood why...)
> >>
> >> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> >> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1652&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=6IRm-QbYZO6PdKWXdoPTlvK364lrdxVZT9HqiviS5EA&e=
> >>
> >> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> >> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> >> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Tomas Poledny <sa...@gmail.com>.
Thank you so much. It is the great news because I have still some problems
with Darcula but it is not maintained.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 17:01 Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com> wrote:
> +1 Great job Laszlo!
>
> -Jirka
>
> Dne 23. 11. 19 v 16:28 Patrick Musembi napsal(a):
> > Nice work.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> >> Feels at:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1651&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=gLU_187vF9aTvmUsjVREmobGIVJ8vojs21GGkA3xK4Y&e=
> >>
> >> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
> >> never understood why...)
> >>
> >> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> >> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1652&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=6IRm-QbYZO6PdKWXdoPTlvK364lrdxVZT9HqiviS5EA&e=
> >>
> >> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> >> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> >> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Jiří Kovalský <ji...@oracle.com>.
+1 Great job Laszlo!
-Jirka
Dne 23. 11. 19 v 16:28 Patrick Musembi napsal(a):
> Nice work.
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
>> Feels at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1651&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=gLU_187vF9aTvmUsjVREmobGIVJ8vojs21GGkA3xK4Y&e=
>>
>> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
>> never understood why...)
>>
>> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
>> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_apache_netbeans_pull_1652&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=X7ibDwrQH6zlh26rRnuRBC8G26WqTFrlJ3Dw63TWveg&s=6IRm-QbYZO6PdKWXdoPTlvK364lrdxVZT9HqiviS5EA&e=
>>
>> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
>> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
>> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Approaching Darkness
Posted by Patrick Musembi <pa...@gmail.com>.
Nice work.
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 12:28 Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Say hello to our long lost pals Dark Metal and Dark Nimbus Look and
> Feels at: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1651
>
> (I've seen in its day several people were fond of the Dark Metal LaF, I
> never understood why...)
>
> I also took on Junichi Yamamoto's idea on including FlatLaf as a Look
> and Feel option and kicked some rocks together:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1652
>
> If there is no strong opinion against that I'd merge that code on
> Monday. Let's see what could we do with that as a community (a fitting
> editor color schema is going to be needed as well).
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