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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
* alain B wrote:
> Vincent Deffontaines a écrit :
> > Here is a .tar.gz with [some] translated docs. Most of the "base" is
> > already translated.
> > http://www.inl.fr/apache-docs.tar.gz
> >
> > Vincent
>
> Hello,
> I'm new on the newsgroup and i just see that a lot of files were
> translated yet, but don't seem to be online on the documentation's
> section. I'm looking for a reason of that :)
The translations need to be reviewed by a fluent speaker. That's the only
reason. I'd suggest, that you contact Vincent directly to coordinate the
work to be done (but don't hestitate to ask here general docs/build
questions).
Thanks, nd
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by Vincent Deffontaines <vi...@gryzor.com>.
Greetings,
Just to mention I'm still alive, and will help regarding the .fr
translation process, within the limits of my schedule.
I have nothing much more to bring right now than the online .tar.gz
mentionned in this thread, but I am available to answer any question /
review other people's translations, etc.
Please email me directly if you wrote to the list, expected a reply from
me and did not get it. I don't read this list very regularly.
Vincent
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
[Sorry for the delay, I've just forgot to reply somehow]
* alain B wrote:
> So, after getting the SVN content, i test the build tool with success
> and i think have understand how it works.
>
> With that build system, do i play with files directly in the SVN folder?
> It seems to recreate *.html.fr files (and some other meta) and not to
> affect the xml's one.
Yes, that's the basic principle. Regarding the xml files: it modifies the
"English Revision" comment if necessary, but nothing else.
> When some of Vincent Deffontaines's files will be reviewed, i noticed
> that i just put them on this mailinglist. Can you confirm that only
> .xml.fr files, not the .html.fr one, are required?
Yes.
nd
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by alain B <ch...@hotmail.com>.
André Malo a écrit :
[couic]
> Well, I also recommend the transformation page:
> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/docsformat.html>. It describes how to
> work with our docs build system (2.1 and 2.0). Basically you need the build
> tools, java and perl.
>
> Further note, that the build tools try to check if a translation is
> outdated. To make this possible, you need to add a comment to your
> translation, where you note, what subversion revision your translation is
> based on. All translations have such a comment on the top (<!-- English
> Revision: xxxx --> or <!-- English Revision xxxx:yyyy (outdated) -->), so
> just have a look at, say manual/bind.xml.de :) These comments are useful
> for you (the translator), because you can just go into the directory and
> diff the English version, to see what was changed, like:
>
> svn diff -r xxxx:yyyy englishfile.xml
>
> Don't worry, once set up correctly, it should be quite easy to work with.
>
> nd
So, after getting the SVN content, i test the build tool with success
and i think have understand how it works.
With that build system, do i play with files directly in the SVN folder?
It seems to recreate *.html.fr files (and some other meta) and not to
affect the xml's one.
When some of Vincent Deffontaines's files will be reviewed, i noticed
that i just put them on this mailinglist. Can you confirm that only
.xml.fr files, not the .html.fr one, are required?
--Alain B
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* alain B wrote:
> So, i contacted Vincent Deffontaines to know what to do with this few
> month old archive. He says this one could be plainly reuse for a review.
> I'm not familiar with the SVN / CVS protocol yet, but i'm ready to plan
> a french localization.
You're welcome :-)
> André, can you confirm to me the working folder can be found here :
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/httpd-docs-2.0/ ? Actualy, i don't
> understand why there are versions 1.3, 2.0, and 2.1 (alpha) on the home
> page http://httpd.apache.org/.
No. We moved to subversion some time ago and now the cvs repository is only
for (historical) reference. We have three maintained httpd versions (1.3,
2.0, 2.1) and so we have 3 docs versions.
2.1 is the version, where the development happens, and some day it will be
2.2 and stable (and splitted from the main trunk, which will become 2.3
then). 2.0 and 1.3 are more or less (feature) freezed. Regarding the docs
translations, most people prefer to translate 2.1 and 2.0, probably because
it's more easy (XML) and consistent and 2.x will be used more and more.
Anyway, if you never worked with subversion, I suggest to start here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/version-control.html#anon-svn and have a glance
over the svn book (<http://svnbook.red-bean.com/>). Of course, if you don't
know further, just ask here ;)
The docs are located here:
* 2.1: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/docs/
* 2.0: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/branches/2.0.x/docs/
* 1.3:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/branches/1.3.x/htdocs/manual/
Well, I also recommend the transformation page:
<http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/docsformat.html>. It describes how to
work with our docs build system (2.1 and 2.0). Basically you need the build
tools, java and perl.
Further note, that the build tools try to check if a translation is
outdated. To make this possible, you need to add a comment to your
translation, where you note, what subversion revision your translation is
based on. All translations have such a comment on the top (<!-- English
Revision: xxxx --> or <!-- English Revision xxxx:yyyy (outdated) -->), so
just have a look at, say manual/bind.xml.de :) These comments are useful
for you (the translator), because you can just go into the directory and
diff the English version, to see what was changed, like:
svn diff -r xxxx:yyyy englishfile.xml
Don't worry, once set up correctly, it should be quite easy to work with.
nd
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Re: Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
alain B a écrit :
> Why saying that the situation is nearly scandalous ? How many persons
> worked on the french localization ?
>
Ah sorry, what I said is ambiguous and I'm sorry if some of you
misunderstood.
What I meant is that Apache is (of course) an excellent product and it's
a shame that for various reasons no French translation has gone through
the whole process and has been published yet. I hope this will change in
the future and of course I'm ready to help make this happen !
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by alain B <ch...@hotmail.com>.
Jean-François El Fouly a écrit :
> If peers / pairs are required for the process to work, I volunteer...
>
> S'il faut travailler en paires (un traducteur, un relecteur) je suis
> volontaire pour relire ou traduire et être relu.
> Peut-être qu'il faudrait qu'on se coordonne à trois (ou plus) parce que
> la situation actuelle est limite scandaleuse...
>
> Jean-François
>
So, i contacted Vincent Deffontaines to know what to do with this few
month old archive. He says this one could be plainly reuse for a review.
I'm not familiar with the SVN / CVS protocol yet, but i'm ready to plan
a french localization.
Why saying that the situation is nearly scandalous ? How many persons
worked on the french localization ?
André, can you confirm to me the working folder can be found here :
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/httpd-docs-2.0/ ? Actualy, i don't
understand why there are versions 1.3, 2.0, and 2.1 (alpha) on the home
page http://httpd.apache.org/.
[fr]
J'ai donc contacté Vincent Deffontaines pour savoir quoi faire avec
cette vielle archive. Il m'a indiqué qu'elle est à notre entière
disposition mais doit être relue et mise à jour selon la version
anglaise. Je ne suis pas habitué avec le protocole SVN / CVS, mais je
suis prêt à planifier ce travail.
Pourquoi "limite scandaleuse" ? Combien de personnes ont travaillé sur
la localisation en français ?
[/fr]
--Alain B
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Re: httpd 2.0 documentation French translation ?
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
If peers / pairs are required for the process to work, I volunteer...
S'il faut travailler en paires (un traducteur, un relecteur) je suis
volontaire pour relire ou traduire et être relu.
Peut-être qu'il faudrait qu'on se coordonne à trois (ou plus) parce que
la situation actuelle est limite scandaleuse...
Jean-François
André Malo a écrit :
>* alain B wrote:
>
>
>
>>Vincent Deffontaines a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Here is a .tar.gz with [some] translated docs. Most of the "base" is
>>>already translated.
>>>http://www.inl.fr/apache-docs.tar.gz
>>>
>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>Hello,
>>I'm new on the newsgroup and i just see that a lot of files were
>>translated yet, but don't seem to be online on the documentation's
>>section. I'm looking for a reason of that :)
>>
>>
>
>The translations need to be reviewed by a fluent speaker. That's the only
>reason. I'd suggest, that you contact Vincent directly to coordinate the
>work to be done (but don't hestitate to ask here general docs/build
>questions).
>
>Thanks, nd
>
>
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