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Posted to rpc-user@xml.apache.org by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com> on 2002/06/10 20:11:24 UTC
xml-rpc webservices?
Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
Thanks,
Tim Heath
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Michael Glenn <mi...@mglenn.com>.
Absolutely Tim,
As I define it, a web service is a collection of programmatic interfaces
that you can provide to your users (customers, vendors, partners,
internal units). XML-RPC allows you to accomplish this using an open
standard that multiple languages support allowing your users the freedom
to stick to their development environment while tapping into your
services using a simple yet robust interface.
For the XML-RPC specification and a list of languages with an XML-RPC
library refer to http://www.xmlrpc.com/
Tim Heath wrote:
> Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim Heath
>
>
>
>
--
Michael Glenn
http://www.mglenn.com
416.544.9904
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Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Marcel Ruff <ru...@swand.lake.de>.
>
>
>
>If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
>mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
>in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
>example of an extension which kind of does this).
>
Or use xmlBlaster, which is accessible over XmlRpc/CORBA/RMI and gives
you the QoS like MQ series does:
http://www.xmlBlaster.org
regards,
Marcel
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
"John Wilson" <tu...@wilson.co.uk> writes:
> If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
> SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
...without extra code.
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
"John Wilson" <tu...@wilson.co.uk> writes:
> If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
> SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
...without extra code.
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> Thankyou for your answer. I do not understand what you mean by a set of
> objects linked in an arbitrary graph, can you explain this more?
A set of objects which have pointers. Any pointer can refer to another
object in the set. There is no restriction on the linkage (i.e. it does not
have to be a tree there can be circular lists of object, etc).
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> Thankyou for your answer. I do not understand what you mean by a set of
> objects linked in an arbitrary graph, can you explain this more?
A set of objects which have pointers. Any pointer can refer to another
object in the set. There is no restriction on the linkage (i.e. it does not
have to be a tree there can be circular lists of object, etc).
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
Thankyou for your answer. I do not understand what you mean by a set of
objects linked in an arbitrary graph, can you explain this more?
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
> > the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
> > central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
> > knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
> > be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
> > requiring soap/xml?
>
> There is no standard way of implementing a directory of XML-RPC services.
> There have been ad hoc attempts to provide such a service but I don't think
> they are widely used. In XML-RPC you know your endpoints and you know what
> the endpoint expects. You don't have discovery or dynamic binding.
>
> You might be interested in http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progxmlrpc/ and
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progwebsoap/ as two views of how to implement
> Web services.
>
> If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
> mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
> in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
> example of an extension which kind of does this).
>
> If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
> SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Marcel Ruff <ru...@swand.lake.de>.
>
>
>
>If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
>mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
>in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
>example of an extension which kind of does this).
>
Or use xmlBlaster, which is accessible over XmlRpc/CORBA/RMI and gives
you the QoS like MQ series does:
http://www.xmlBlaster.org
regards,
Marcel
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
Thankyou for your answer. I do not understand what you mean by a set of
objects linked in an arbitrary graph, can you explain this more?
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
> > the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
> > central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
> > knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
> > be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
> > requiring soap/xml?
>
> There is no standard way of implementing a directory of XML-RPC services.
> There have been ad hoc attempts to provide such a service but I don't think
> they are widely used. In XML-RPC you know your endpoints and you know what
> the endpoint expects. You don't have discovery or dynamic binding.
>
> You might be interested in http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progxmlrpc/ and
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progwebsoap/ as two views of how to implement
> Web services.
>
> If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
> mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
> in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
> example of an extension which kind of does this).
>
> If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
> SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
> the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
> central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
> knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
> be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
> requiring soap/xml?
There is no standard way of implementing a directory of XML-RPC services.
There have been ad hoc attempts to provide such a service but I don't think
they are widely used. In XML-RPC you know your endpoints and you know what
the endpoint expects. You don't have discovery or dynamic binding.
You might be interested in http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progxmlrpc/ and
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progwebsoap/ as two views of how to implement
Web services.
If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
example of an extension which kind of does this).
If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
> the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
> central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
> knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
> be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
> requiring soap/xml?
There is no standard way of implementing a directory of XML-RPC services.
There have been ad hoc attempts to provide such a service but I don't think
they are widely used. In XML-RPC you know your endpoints and you know what
the endpoint expects. You don't have discovery or dynamic binding.
You might be interested in http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progxmlrpc/ and
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progwebsoap/ as two views of how to implement
Web services.
If you wanted to use an asynchronous messaging service as a transport
mechanism (e.g. IBM's MQ series) then SOAP has the support for this built
in. XML-RPC does not (though http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0009.html is an
example of an extension which kind of does this).
If you wanted to pass a set of objects linked in an arbitrary graph then
SOAP will (sort of) let you do it. XML-RPC will not.
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
requiring soap/xml?
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
> > specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
> > find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
> > difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
> > this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
> > know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
> > such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
> > other for interoperability.
>
> Well, XML-RPC uses XML (obviously!). However it's not SOAP. The XML-RPC
> community seems to potter along without the need for global multi level
> directory services. The stuff mostly works and interoperates (between a very
> large number of implementations in a very large number of languages).
>
> XML-RPC is a simple RPC mechanism which just aims to support remote
> procedure calls over HTTP with relatively simple data. SOAP is a far more
> complex (and rich) mechanism which supports both RPC and message passing
> models over arbitrary transport mechanisms with and open ended data model.
> XML-RPC is probably sufficient for 90% of the real world cases, SOAP is
> probably sufficient for 95%. SOAP is one or two orders of magnitude more
> complex. Both allow the implementation of Web Services. I don't know of any
> interoperability layer. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile building one.
>
> Does this help?
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
Does it implement a global registry for searching for kinds of services,
the way uddi works? Does it allow you to publish your service to a
central directory the way uddi does? I appreciate your answer and my
knowledge on soap/xml is increasing. Just out of curiousity what would
be an example of where rpc/xml would not be able to do something
requiring soap/xml?
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
> > specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
> > find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
> > difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
> > this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
> > know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
> > such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
> > other for interoperability.
>
> Well, XML-RPC uses XML (obviously!). However it's not SOAP. The XML-RPC
> community seems to potter along without the need for global multi level
> directory services. The stuff mostly works and interoperates (between a very
> large number of implementations in a very large number of languages).
>
> XML-RPC is a simple RPC mechanism which just aims to support remote
> procedure calls over HTTP with relatively simple data. SOAP is a far more
> complex (and rich) mechanism which supports both RPC and message passing
> models over arbitrary transport mechanisms with and open ended data model.
> XML-RPC is probably sufficient for 90% of the real world cases, SOAP is
> probably sufficient for 95%. SOAP is one or two orders of magnitude more
> complex. Both allow the implementation of Web Services. I don't know of any
> interoperability layer. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile building one.
>
> Does this help?
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
> specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
> find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
> difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
> this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
> know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
> such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
> other for interoperability.
Well, XML-RPC uses XML (obviously!). However it's not SOAP. The XML-RPC
community seems to potter along without the need for global multi level
directory services. The stuff mostly works and interoperates (between a very
large number of implementations in a very large number of languages).
XML-RPC is a simple RPC mechanism which just aims to support remote
procedure calls over HTTP with relatively simple data. SOAP is a far more
complex (and rich) mechanism which supports both RPC and message passing
models over arbitrary transport mechanisms with and open ended data model.
XML-RPC is probably sufficient for 90% of the real world cases, SOAP is
probably sufficient for 95%. SOAP is one or two orders of magnitude more
complex. Both allow the implementation of Web Services. I don't know of any
interoperability layer. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile building one.
Does this help?
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: xml-rpc webservices?
> I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
> specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
> find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
> difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
> this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
> know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
> such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
> other for interoperability.
Well, XML-RPC uses XML (obviously!). However it's not SOAP. The XML-RPC
community seems to potter along without the need for global multi level
directory services. The stuff mostly works and interoperates (between a very
large number of implementations in a very large number of languages).
XML-RPC is a simple RPC mechanism which just aims to support remote
procedure calls over HTTP with relatively simple data. SOAP is a far more
complex (and rich) mechanism which supports both RPC and message passing
models over arbitrary transport mechanisms with and open ended data model.
XML-RPC is probably sufficient for 90% of the real world cases, SOAP is
probably sufficient for 95%. SOAP is one or two orders of magnitude more
complex. Both allow the implementation of Web Services. I don't know of any
interoperability layer. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile building one.
Does this help?
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
other for interoperability.
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:11 PM
> Subject: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
>
> Tim,
>
> you seem to be using the term "webservice" in a rather unusual way. Could
> you elaborate on what you mean. Are you talking about interoperating with
> .NET?
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Tim Heath <wg...@fedex.com>.
I am talking about conforming to the wsdl, soap, xml, uddi
specifications that .net, velocigen, glue, etc... are using. You can
find more about this at www.xmethods.net. What confuses me is the
difference between xml-rpc and apache soap. If you can elaborate on
this I would really appreciate it. The other thing which I wanted to
know is if there is some kind of middle tier or library for converting
such attempts at implementing webservices specifications from one to the
other for interoperability.
Thanks,
Tim Heath
John Wilson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
> To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:11 PM
> Subject: xml-rpc webservices?
>
> > Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
>
> Tim,
>
> you seem to be using the term "webservice" in a rather unusual way. Could
> you elaborate on what you mean. Are you talking about interoperating with
> .NET?
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: xml-rpc webservices?
> Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
Tim,
you seem to be using the term "webservice" in a rather unusual way. Could
you elaborate on what you mean. Are you talking about interoperating with
.NET?
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk
Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by Michael Glenn <mi...@mglenn.com>.
Absolutely Tim,
As I define it, a web service is a collection of programmatic interfaces
that you can provide to your users (customers, vendors, partners,
internal units). XML-RPC allows you to accomplish this using an open
standard that multiple languages support allowing your users the freedom
to stick to their development environment while tapping into your
services using a simple yet robust interface.
For the XML-RPC specification and a list of languages with an XML-RPC
library refer to http://www.xmlrpc.com/
Tim Heath wrote:
> Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim Heath
>
>
>
>
--
Michael Glenn
http://www.mglenn.com
416.544.9904
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Re: xml-rpc webservices?
Posted by John Wilson <tu...@wilson.co.uk>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Heath" <wg...@fedex.com>
To: <rp...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: xml-rpc webservices?
> Is there any way to turn an xml-rpc into a webservice?
Tim,
you seem to be using the term "webservice" in a rather unusual way. Could
you elaborate on what you mean. Are you talking about interoperating with
.NET?
John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
http://www.wilson.co.uk