Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>]

Hi Apache Training,

I am working with the administration at a local community college students
to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted' major,
meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those classes,
so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities (and
I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
students).

This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good to
create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them
about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such awareness
would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future for
people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore, elsewhere
I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the foundation,
this specific use-case and population would then potentially also further
those goals.

This is a super open question, and I see this group is just beginning.
Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.

Cheers,
Austin

Re: Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>]

Hi Lars,

Certainly much to be done...

Among other things, I have imagined preparing/producing content and getting
it online somewhere people already are -- like Coursera, Udacity, Edx.
Fwiw: Linux Foundation has relationships with Coursera and EdX.
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/2018/12/the-linux-foundation-and-coursera-launch-new-specialization-for-open-source-linux-and-git/

It seems common things could be compiled to save many from recreating for
different purposes.  We're looking at getting such a session on
git/jira/etc into our forthcoming Beam Summit -- will hope when we get
content together that it can be donated to apache training.

There could be content like the above Coursera specialization - that are
generic and applicable to many Apache projects - as well as aid and
structure for usability of specific projects (that becomes outdated
sooner).  Starting with jira, git, mailing lists, understanding types of
voting, building consensus, etc.  I believe such courses can be freely
available through such platforms, but don't know the terms/agreements with
the platforms, specifically.  This was one avenue I imagined could be
fruitful.  Naturally could be done in less interactive ways, or where
things are self-hosted, but also think about the reach -- people savvy
enough to scour internet looking for apache training documents, might
readily find those resources, going to where more people are and helping
hold their hand might help cast an even wider net.

Best,
Austin


On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:14 AM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> understood. You fit right in here then. We're all still trying to find our
> way as you've already noticed ;-)
>
> On the Apache Way itself we have lots of contents. I haven't counted but
> I've been approached off-list and we together on-list by at least four or
> five different companies with Apache Way presentations. I would say it's
> not worth it to start new content in this specific area. If you are however
> interested in driving its incorporation into this project that'd be
> fabulous. I imagine (without having seen all of them) there's lots of
> overlap and someone should go through it and merge it together into one
> document.
>
> There are other things though: How do I use Git & Jira etc., how to behave
> on mailing lists (i.e. Netiquette), a "Code of Conduct" presentation and
> lots more.
>
> So: Resounding yes to your question on whether that's aligned (in my
> opinion). Anything you can come up with in that area would be helpful.
> Thinking back 12 or so years when I started with Apache and Open Source
> software in general I would have loved a more guiding hand.
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:03 PM Austin Bennett <whatwouldaustindo@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Lars,
> >
> > Was not a concrete question, and not totally worked out in my head.
> > Perhaps several things.  Including: does good content exist?  What would
> > make good content (esp. if it doesn't)?  I'm happy to not reinvent the
> > wheel (nor have I been doing thing with Apache for long, so still
> figuring
> > much out), and am also figuring out the best ways for me to contribute.
> >
> > In general, it is helpful to even hear this is (at least somewhat) in
> > alignment, as it looks like reaching and training these students could
> make
> > a world of difference to them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Austin
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:58 AM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Austin and welcome to the group!
> > >
> > > I'm not 100% sure if I get what you are actually asking, though. Could
> > you
> > > elaborate?
> > > Do you want to know what would make good content?
> > >
> > > I agree with Sönke though: Non-technical stuff is very very welcome and
> > > needed. This does include content on inclusion & diversity (which seems
> > to
> > > be abbreviated as I&D in the mailing lists sometimes).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Lars
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:39 PM Austin Bennett <
> > > whatwouldaustindo@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Apache Training,
> > > >
> > > > I am working with the administration at a local community college
> > > students
> > > > to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted'
> > > major,
> > > > meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those
> > > classes,
> > > > so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities
> > > (and
> > > > I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
> > > > students).
> > > >
> > > > This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good
> to
> > > > create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching
> them
> > > > about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such
> > awareness
> > > > would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
> > > > generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future
> > for
> > > > people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore,
> > > elsewhere
> > > > I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the
> > > foundation,
> > > > this specific use-case and population would then potentially also
> > further
> > > > those goals.
> > > >
> > > > This is a super open question, and I see this group is just
> beginning.
> > > > Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Austin
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

understood. You fit right in here then. We're all still trying to find our
way as you've already noticed ;-)

On the Apache Way itself we have lots of contents. I haven't counted but
I've been approached off-list and we together on-list by at least four or
five different companies with Apache Way presentations. I would say it's
not worth it to start new content in this specific area. If you are however
interested in driving its incorporation into this project that'd be
fabulous. I imagine (without having seen all of them) there's lots of
overlap and someone should go through it and merge it together into one
document.

There are other things though: How do I use Git & Jira etc., how to behave
on mailing lists (i.e. Netiquette), a "Code of Conduct" presentation and
lots more.

So: Resounding yes to your question on whether that's aligned (in my
opinion). Anything you can come up with in that area would be helpful.
Thinking back 12 or so years when I started with Apache and Open Source
software in general I would have loved a more guiding hand.

Cheers,
Lars

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:03 PM Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Lars,
>
> Was not a concrete question, and not totally worked out in my head.
> Perhaps several things.  Including: does good content exist?  What would
> make good content (esp. if it doesn't)?  I'm happy to not reinvent the
> wheel (nor have I been doing thing with Apache for long, so still figuring
> much out), and am also figuring out the best ways for me to contribute.
>
> In general, it is helpful to even hear this is (at least somewhat) in
> alignment, as it looks like reaching and training these students could make
> a world of difference to them.
>
> Cheers,
> Austin
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:58 AM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Austin and welcome to the group!
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure if I get what you are actually asking, though. Could
> you
> > elaborate?
> > Do you want to know what would make good content?
> >
> > I agree with Sönke though: Non-technical stuff is very very welcome and
> > needed. This does include content on inclusion & diversity (which seems
> to
> > be abbreviated as I&D in the mailing lists sometimes).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Lars
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:39 PM Austin Bennett <
> > whatwouldaustindo@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Apache Training,
> > >
> > > I am working with the administration at a local community college
> > students
> > > to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted'
> > major,
> > > meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those
> > classes,
> > > so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities
> > (and
> > > I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
> > > students).
> > >
> > > This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good to
> > > create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them
> > > about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such
> awareness
> > > would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
> > > generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future
> for
> > > people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore,
> > elsewhere
> > > I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the
> > foundation,
> > > this specific use-case and population would then potentially also
> further
> > > those goals.
> > >
> > > This is a super open question, and I see this group is just beginning.
> > > Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Austin
> > >
> >
>

Re: Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>]

Hi Lars,

Was not a concrete question, and not totally worked out in my head.
Perhaps several things.  Including: does good content exist?  What would
make good content (esp. if it doesn't)?  I'm happy to not reinvent the
wheel (nor have I been doing thing with Apache for long, so still figuring
much out), and am also figuring out the best ways for me to contribute.

In general, it is helpful to even hear this is (at least somewhat) in
alignment, as it looks like reaching and training these students could make
a world of difference to them.

Cheers,
Austin


On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:58 AM Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Austin and welcome to the group!
>
> I'm not 100% sure if I get what you are actually asking, though. Could you
> elaborate?
> Do you want to know what would make good content?
>
> I agree with Sönke though: Non-technical stuff is very very welcome and
> needed. This does include content on inclusion & diversity (which seems to
> be abbreviated as I&D in the mailing lists sometimes).
>
> Cheers,
> Lars
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:39 PM Austin Bennett <
> whatwouldaustindo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Apache Training,
> >
> > I am working with the administration at a local community college
> students
> > to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted'
> major,
> > meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those
> classes,
> > so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities
> (and
> > I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
> > students).
> >
> > This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good to
> > create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them
> > about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such awareness
> > would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
> > generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future for
> > people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore,
> elsewhere
> > I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the
> foundation,
> > this specific use-case and population would then potentially also further
> > those goals.
> >
> > This is a super open question, and I see this group is just beginning.
> > Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Austin
> >
>

Re: Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Lars Francke <la...@gmail.com>]

Hi Austin and welcome to the group!

I'm not 100% sure if I get what you are actually asking, though. Could you
elaborate?
Do you want to know what would make good content?

I agree with Sönke though: Non-technical stuff is very very welcome and
needed. This does include content on inclusion & diversity (which seems to
be abbreviated as I&D in the mailing lists sometimes).

Cheers,
Lars

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:39 PM Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Apache Training,
>
> I am working with the administration at a local community college students
> to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted' major,
> meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those classes,
> so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities (and
> I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
> students).
>
> This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good to
> create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them
> about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such awareness
> would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
> generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future for
> people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore, elsewhere
> I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the foundation,
> this specific use-case and population would then potentially also further
> those goals.
>
> This is a super open question, and I see this group is just beginning.
> Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.
>
> Cheers,
> Austin
>

Re: Training in the Apache Way (and generally)

[Sönke Liebau <so...@opencore.com.INVALID>]

Hi Austin,

thanks for reaching out to us! What you plan on doing sounds awesome and
we'd love to help you out as much as we can of course.

As you noticed yourself, we are still in the early days of setting up the
training project and currently mostly involved in organizational day-to-day
things, but we certainly hope to leave that stage soon and actually get to
work.
So I am unsure how much actual help we can currently provide, to be honest,
but please do stay tuned into this list and if you have any suggestions, by
all means, let us know!!

Also, as you said there is a lot of activity around inclusion and diversity
currently, I believe a proposal is being prepared for the board currently
and a mailing list specifically for this topic has been set up / will be
set up shortly. They are currently at an even earlier state than we are I
think, but that might be well worth following as well for you.

Again, sorry for not having anything concrete at this moment!

Best regards,
Sönke


On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:39 PM Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Apache Training,
>
> I am working with the administration at a local community college students
> to learn things coding/computing.  Computer Science is an 'impacted' major,
> meaning not all students are not even able to gain access to those classes,
> so there is motivation to figure out how to expand those capabilities (and
> I am specifically in discussion for ways to train immigrant and ESL
> students).
>
> This has me exploring both what is available and what would be good to
> create.  Outside of the technical skills, I am imagining teaching them
> about (and encourage living by) the Apache Way.  It seems such awareness
> would be beneficial to people as they are learning (and anyone more
> generally); In addition this might serve as a pipeline for the future for
> people that would contribute positively to Apache.  Furthermore, elsewhere
> I've seen desires to continue to increase diversity around the foundation,
> this specific use-case and population would then potentially also further
> those goals.
>
> This is a super open question, and I see this group is just beginning.
> Looking forward to finding the positive ways to contribute.
>
> Cheers,
> Austin
>


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