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[jira] Created: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
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Key: TAP5-1324
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
Project: Tapestry 5
Issue Type: Improvement
Components: quickstart
Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Howard M. Lewis Ship (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Howard M. Lewis Ship commented on TAP5-1324:
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Point taken ... it's just that I find maintaining an archetype so tedious that I'd prefer to maintain just one.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Robert Zeigler (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Robert Zeigler commented on TAP5-1324:
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I'm with Mark. Don't do away with the simple quickstart. I use that a lot to generate a basic project prototype and work from there. Anything more would involve additional wasted effort clearing out the stuff I don't want/need. I don't use hibernate, whenever I can avoid it, and I know I'm not the only one. So if you're going to add hibernate integration, then definitely create a "quickstart-hibernate" archetype, and keep the current archetype in place.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Andreas Andreou (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Andreas Andreou commented on TAP5-1324:
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On the other hand, if there are interesting tapestry related archetypes, we can just
include them at thttp://tapestry.apache.org/archetype-catalog.xml at leave their maintenance
to its authors (or the community)
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Mark Shead (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Mark Shead commented on TAP5-1324:
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It might be good to have multiple archetypes--each one that adds a bit more complexity to the same overall idea. I wouldn't do away with the simple archetype because they are ideal for people starting out. Too much is going to make it hard for people to get started. For example:
1. Basic archetype like we have now, maybe including a sample Selenium test.
2. Archetype that includes hibernate and a basic app--maybe simple user management or todo list. The user management would be nice because many apps are going to need some form of user management anyway.
3. Archetype that that includes hibernate, security, user management, file uploading etc. Maybe something along the lines of what you get with Appfuse.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Robert Zeigler (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Robert Zeigler commented on TAP5-1324:
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I'm with Mark. Don't do away with the simple quickstart. I use that a lot to generate a basic project prototype and work from there. Anything more would involve additional wasted effort clearing out the stuff I don't want/need. I don't use hibernate, whenever I can avoid it, and I know I'm not the only one. So if you're going to add hibernate integration, then definitely create a "quickstart-hibernate" archetype, and keep the current archetype in place.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Andreas Andreou (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Andreas Andreou commented on TAP5-1324:
---------------------------------------
On the other hand, if there are interesting tapestry related archetypes, we can just
include them at thttp://tapestry.apache.org/archetype-catalog.xml at leave their maintenance
to its authors (or the community)
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
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Howard M. Lewis Ship commented on TAP5-1324:
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Point taken ... it's just that I find maintaining an archetype so tedious that I'd prefer to maintain just one.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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[jira] Commented: (TAP5-1324) Quickstart should setup a basic
Hibernate application using HSQL
Posted by "Mark Shead (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Mark Shead commented on TAP5-1324:
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It might be good to have multiple archetypes--each one that adds a bit more complexity to the same overall idea. I wouldn't do away with the simple archetype because they are ideal for people starting out. Too much is going to make it hard for people to get started. For example:
1. Basic archetype like we have now, maybe including a sample Selenium test.
2. Archetype that includes hibernate and a basic app--maybe simple user management or todo list. The user management would be nice because many apps are going to need some form of user management anyway.
3. Archetype that that includes hibernate, security, user management, file uploading etc. Maybe something along the lines of what you get with Appfuse.
> Quickstart should setup a basic Hibernate application using HSQL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: TAP5-1324
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1324
> Project: Tapestry 5
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Components: quickstart
> Reporter: Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Most people are building an applicaiton using a database, having the Quickstart create a very basic Hibernate-based application (simpler even than the Hotel booking demo), maybe a simple todo list, would be great.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is to scrap the current quickstart, create a quicky project, and experiment with Maven's ability to turna project into an archetype.
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