Re: unzip and run

[Jeffrey Blattman <je...@gmail.com>]

to be clear, i was not suggesting removing the roller only binary  
dist. just adding another unzip-and-run option to the downloads.

On Jun 12, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Java Web Development wrote:

> That seems like a good idea but I have some concerns. Primarily  
> because the
> roller-webapp.war file is already 25M (mostly because of the 3rd  
> party jars)
> and adding the server on top of that might turn some people off.
>
> I feel there are three main types of users to target. Those that  
> want to
> simply use roller for a blog, those that want to setup a blog site  
> and those
> that want to extend roller.
>
> For those that want to evaluate it for use the simplest thing would  
> be to
> point them to jroller and have them create a free account.
>
> For those that want to view the maintenance side of things maybe  
> apache can
> host a demo site so people can play around with configuring  
> weblogger and
> planet. Then every night clean the slate.
>
> For those that want to extend roller I think it would be nice to  
> split up
> roller up into 3 projects and a 3rd party library folder that can  
> easily be
> integrated into Netbeans and Eclipse. I haven't used Eclipse for a  
> couple of
> years so I'll give the Netbeans example.
>
>  * A lib directory for all the 3rd party jars
>  * A Java Library Project for classes common to
>    both weblogger and planet
>  * A Web Project for weblogger that pulls in the
>    3rd party jars it needs from the lib folder and
>    is dependant on the common Java Library Project
>  * A Web Project for planet that pulls in jars and
>    depends on the library project as well.
>
> Since both Sun and IBM use roller maybe they can get their IDE  
> people to
> help do this? I started out developing java in notepad and vi and  
> other text
> editors but ever since NB 5 I can't see going back. When I need to  
> I can
> still run the nb ant scripts from the command line.
>
> In the case of the problem I was having, I googled for over an hour  
> trying
> to understand Roller's architecture to see what classes process the  
> request
> before it gets to CommentServlet and came up empty. After figuring  
> out how
> to properly attach the debugger it took a minute to find out that
> WeblogRequestMapper was where I was hitting a problem.
>
> NetBeans does a superb job at giving developers a single install  
> that gets
> them up and running developing webapps quickly. Rather than trying to
> replicate that just for roller, integrate roller better in Netbeans  
> (and
> Eclipse) for those that want to make enhancements.
>
> I'm not sure what Roller offers that Word Press doesn't, but I can  
> think of
> a lot of stuff in WordPress that would make me favor it over  
> Roller. The big
> draw for me is that it's written in Java and I'm looking into  
> starting a
> project that includes blogs that will be written in Java/JSP. I  
> think that
> most people that choose Roller for the same reasons and the easier  
> it is to
> get started developing Roller the better.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Blattman [mailto:jeffrey.blattman@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:38 PM
> To: dev@roller.apache.org
> Subject: unzip and run
>
> would it make sense to have a roller+[tomcat|glassfish|...] unzip and
> run bundle available on the download site? this seems to be the way
> things are going ... for eval purposes anyway.
>
> i was able to create a roller deploy-and-go WAR pretty easily from
> the 5-min install. then we could of course create a unzip and run by
> bundling roller and the web container, w/ roller.war in the
> container's autodeploy folder.
>
> thoughts?
>
>