You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to apachecon-discuss@apache.org by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/14 10:12:57 UTC
ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
talks from messaging related projects on same track.
Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
positive manner.
Thanks !
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Ryan Baxter <rb...@apache.org>.
Just my 2 cents but I would also be in favor of having a messaging track.
On Sunday, October 14, 2012, Steve Holden wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>
> > There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
> > EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
> > instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
> > At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
> > informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
> > talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
> > messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
> > talks from messaging related projects on same track.
> >
> > Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
> > Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
> > messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
> > as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
> > more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
> > messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
> > a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
> > can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
> >
> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our
> relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have
> raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more
> inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to
> give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>
> > Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
> > for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
> > As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
> > don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
> > understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
> > event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
> > cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
> > Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
> > positive manner.
> >
> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear
> your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making
> the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>
> > Thanks !
> >
> And thank *you*.
>
> regards
> Steve
>
> > --
> > Sagara Gunathunga
> >
> > Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> > Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> > LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>
> --
> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com <javascript:;>, Holden Web, LLC
> http://holdenweb.com/
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>
>
>
>
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone --thanks for your patience on this; I've been on deadline all
> day and have only now had a chance to get to the edit.
>
> If the following meets your approval, we'll update the CFP (and supporting
> marketing) as soon as possible:
>
> "Enterprise Messaging & Integration –-common problems, solutions, and best
> practices with various Apache SOA/infrastructure projects, including
> ActiveMQ, Camel, Qpid, ServiceMix, Shindig, Synapse, Thrift, Tuscany, and
> more."
looks good, thanks Sally !
>
>
> Suggestions, comments welcome! If I'm barking up the wrong tree or
> misunderstood the original issue, do let me know :-)
>
> Cheers & chat soon,
> Sally
>
> + and thanks, Sagara, for bringing this up!
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
> To: Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>; "apachecon-discuss@apache.org"
> <ap...@apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 9:56
>
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration
> track ?
>
> OK; please understand that there's a very strong chance that this list will
> be shortened to 5-7 projects. It's not going to be inclusive for the CFP, as
> space is limited.
>
> Here's exactly how the PMCs can help: promote the CFP and let your community
> know how they can participate!
>
> I'll ping y'all once we've got the edits up online. I'll tweet about this as
> well.
>
> Cheers,
> Sally
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>
> To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
> Cc: Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 9:19
> Subject: Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration
> track ?
>
> I will add Shindig to the list as well.
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Sagara Gunathunga
> <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>> Sagara:
>>
>> Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for
>> inclusion in the "messaging" track?
>
> In my POV following projects are suitable for above track considering
> integration also under this track.
>
> Synapse
> ServiceMix
> Tuscany
> Etch
> Thrift
> Avro
> ActiveMQ
> Qpid
>
> You also can find some other suggestion from here [1]
>
> [1] -
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103@apache.org%3E
>
> Thanks !
>
>
>>
>> regards
>> Steve
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>>>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>>>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>>>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>>>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>>>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>>>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>>>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>>>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>>>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>>>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>>>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>>>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>>>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>>>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our
>>>> relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have
>>>> raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more
>>>> inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to
>>>> give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
>>> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
>>>
>>> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
>>> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
>>> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
>>> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
>>> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
>>> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>>>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>>>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>>>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>>>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>>>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>>>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>>>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>>>>> positive manner.
>>>>>
>>>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear
>>>> your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the
>>>> conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>
>>>> And thank *you*.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>>
>>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>
>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>
>> --
>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Hi everyone --thanks for your patience on this; I've been on deadline all day and have only now had a chance to get to the edit.
If the following meets your approval, we'll update the CFP (and supporting marketing) as soon as possible:
"Enterprise Messaging & Integration –-common problems, solutions, and best practices with various Apache SOA/infrastructure projects, including ActiveMQ, Camel, Qpid, ServiceMix, Shindig, Synapse, Thrift, Tuscany, and more."
Suggestions, comments welcome! If I'm barking up the wrong tree or misunderstood the original issue, do let me know :-)
Cheers & chat soon,
Sally
+ and thanks, Sagara, for bringing this up!
>________________________________
> From: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
>To: Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>; "apachecon-discuss@apache.org" <ap...@apache.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 9:56
>Subject: Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
>
>
>OK; please understand that there's a very strong chance that this list will be shortened to 5-7 projects. It's not going to be inclusive for the CFP, as space is limited.
>
>Here's exactly how the PMCs can help: promote the CFP and let your community know how they can participate!
>
>I'll ping y'all once we've got the edits up online. I'll tweet about this as well.
>
>Cheers,
>Sally
>
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>
>>To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>>Cc: Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 9:19
>>Subject: Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
>>
>>
>>I will add Shindig to the list as well.
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>>> Sagara:
>>>>
>>>> Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for inclusion in the "messaging" track?
>>>
>>>In my POV following projects are suitable for above track considering
>>>integration also under this track.
>>>
>>>Synapse
>>>ServiceMix
>>>Tuscany
>>>Etch
>>>Thrift
>>>Avro
>>>ActiveMQ
>>>Qpid
>>>
>>>You also can find some other suggestion from here [1]
>>>
>>>[1] - http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103@apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>Thanks !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>>>>>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>>>>>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>>>>>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>>>>>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>>>>>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>>>>>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>>>>>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>>>>>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>>>>>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>>>>>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>>>>>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>>>>>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>>>>>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>>>>>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
>>>>> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
>>>>> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
>>>>> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
>>>>> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
>>>>> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
>>>>> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>>>>>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>>>>>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>>>>>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>>>>>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>>>>>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>>>>>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>>>>>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>>>>>>> positive manner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And thank *you*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>>>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>>>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>>>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>>
>>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sagara Gunathunga
>>>
>>>Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
OK; please understand that there's a very strong chance that this list will be shortened to 5-7 projects. It's not going to be inclusive for the CFP, as space is limited.
Here's exactly how the PMCs can help: promote the CFP and let your community know how they can participate!
I'll ping y'all once we've got the edits up online. I'll tweet about this as well.
Cheers,
Sally
>________________________________
> From: Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>
>To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org
>Cc: Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 9:19
>Subject: Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
>
>
>I will add Shindig to the list as well.
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>> Sagara:
>>>
>>> Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for inclusion in the "messaging" track?
>>
>>In my POV following projects are suitable for above track considering
>>integration also under this track.
>>
>>Synapse
>>ServiceMix
>>Tuscany
>>Etch
>>Thrift
>>Avro
>>ActiveMQ
>>Qpid
>>
>>You also can find some other suggestion from here [1]
>>
>>[1] - http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103@apache.org%3E
>>
>>Thanks !
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>>>>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>>>>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>>>>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>>>>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>>>>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>>>>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>>>>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>>>>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>>>>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>>>>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>>>>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>>>>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>>>>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>>>>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
>>>> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
>>>> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
>>>> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
>>>> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
>>>> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
>>>> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks !
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>>>>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>>>>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>>>>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>>>>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>>>>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>>>>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>>>>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>>>>>> positive manner.
>>>>>>
>>>>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>>
>>>>> And thank *you*.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>
>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Sagara Gunathunga
>>
>>Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>
>
>
>
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com>.
I will add Shindig to the list as well.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Sagara Gunathunga <
sagara.gunathunga@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
> > Sagara:
> >
> > Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for
> inclusion in the "messaging" track?
>
> In my POV following projects are suitable for above track considering
> integration also under this track.
>
> Synapse
> ServiceMix
> Tuscany
> Etch
> Thrift
> Avro
> ActiveMQ
> Qpid
>
> You also can find some other suggestion from here [1]
>
> [1] -
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103@apache.org%3E
>
> Thanks !
>
>
> >
> > regards
> > Steve
> >
> > On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
> >>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
> >>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
> >>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
> >>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
> >>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
> >>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
> >>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
> >>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
> >>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
> >>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
> >>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
> >>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
> >>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
> >>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
> >>>>
> >>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to
> our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you
> have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it
> more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want
> to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
> >> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
> >>
> >> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
> >> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
> >> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
> >> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
> >> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
> >> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
> >> project.
> >>
> >> Thanks !
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
> >>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
> >>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
> >>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
> >>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
> >>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
> >>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
> >>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
> >>>> positive manner.
> >>>>
> >>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear
> your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making
> the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks !
> >>>>
> >>> And thank *you*.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sagara Gunathunga
> >>>>
> >>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> >>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> >>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC
> http://holdenweb.com/
> >>> Python classes (and much more) through the web
> http://oreillyschool.com/
> >>> Conferences and technical event management at
> http://theopenbastion.com/
> >>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition)
> http://apachecon.eu/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sagara Gunathunga
> >>
> >> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> >> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> >> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
> >
> > --
> > Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
> > Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> > Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
> > Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
> Sagara:
>
> Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for inclusion in the "messaging" track?
In my POV following projects are suitable for above track considering
integration also under this track.
Synapse
ServiceMix
Tuscany
Etch
Thrift
Avro
ActiveMQ
Qpid
You also can find some other suggestion from here [1]
[1] - http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201206.mbox/%3C4FE2DB7A.20103@apache.org%3E
Thanks !
>
> regards
> Steve
>
> On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>>>
>>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>>>
>>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>>
>> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
>> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
>>
>> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
>> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
>> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
>> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
>> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
>> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
>> project.
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>>>
>>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>>>> positive manner.
>>>>
>>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>>>
>>>> Thanks !
>>>>
>>> And thank *you*.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>>
>>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>
>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>
> --
> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>
>
>
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
Sagara:
Could name some other projects that you think would be suitable for inclusion in the "messaging" track?
regards
Steve
On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>>
>>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>>
>>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>>
>> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
>
> Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
> expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
>
> If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
> add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
> projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
> enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
> "Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
> submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
> project.
>
> Thanks !
>
>>
>>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>>> positive manner.
>>>
>> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>> And thank *you*.
>>
>> regards
>> Steve
>>
>>> --
>>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>>
>>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>>
>> --
>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
--
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>
>> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
>> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
>> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
>> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
>> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
>> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
>> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
>> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>>
>> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
>> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
>> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
>> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
>> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
>> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
>> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
>> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>>
> Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
Thanks for your kind response, I'm happy to help out in area of my
expertise. As I mentioned in my previous mail this is my suggestion.
If we have enough space and enough people to handle more tracks please
add a new track called "Messaging", there are considerable number of
projects available under this category. In case if we don't have
enough space or people better to rename "Camel in Action" as a
"Messaging" track so that other messaging related projects also can
submit their talks under this track instead of limiting to a specific
project.
Thanks !
>
>> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
>> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
>> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
>> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
>> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
>> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
>> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
>> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
>> positive manner.
>>
> We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
>
>> Thanks !
>>
> And thank *you*.
>
> regards
> Steve
>
>> --
>> Sagara Gunathunga
>>
>> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
>> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
>
> --
> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
> Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/
>
>
>
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
Re: ApacheCon N/A tracks - Messaging or Enterprise Integration track ?
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
On Oct 14, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
> There was a concern raised by some people including myself during the
> EU CFP time to have a Messaging or Enterprise Integration track
> instead of allocating a track completely to a single messing project.
> At that time we were too late to raise those issues and also had been
> informed that the track chairs are always ready to accept "related"
> talks if they looks good but looking at EU schedule I can see one
> messing project got number of slots and it's hard to see any other
> talks from messaging related projects on same track.
>
> Now we are in CFP for N/A event and still I can't see Messaging or
> Enterprise Integration track instead what I can see is again possible
> messaging track is allocated for a specific messaging project in same
> as EU event. In case If we have enough space I'm very positive to have
> more tracks like "General Messaging" and another track for a specific
> messaging project but If we don't have enough space why can't we make
> a general messaging track so that number of messaging related projects
> can submit their talks and cover more scope/community ?
>
Thanks. In the case of North America, this is probably mostly due to our relative ignorance of the Apache "ecosphere". So I am very glad you have raised the issue. If you can suggest changes to the CfP to make it more inclusive of a wider range we would be grateful for your help. We want to give all projects the opportunity to showcase their work.
> Taking a different example I always think "Big data" is the ideal name
> for a track instead calling it using a specific big data project name.
> As I involved organizing number of Apache events in Asia from 2009 I
> don't have any concern about impartiality of organizers, also I can
> understand the difficulty with EU event with time but clearly in NA
> event we have enough time to make changes so that event/tracks will
> cover wide range of projects and get wider community attraction.
> Finally I expect N/A organizers will consider my comments in a
> positive manner.
>
We certainly do regard such input as positive, and stand ready to hear your (and everybody else's) suggestions for improving the CfP and making the conference more welcoming to a broader section of the Apache community.
> Thanks !
>
And thank *you*.
regards
Steve
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/ssagara
--
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com, Holden Web, LLC http://holdenweb.com/
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next: Helping with ApacheCon EU (community edition) http://apachecon.eu/