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Posted to user@vcl.apache.org by "Waldron, Michael H" <mw...@email.unc.edu> on 2011/03/28 14:40:01 UTC
Mac OS-X on VCL?
Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on the VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very Unix-like under the covers.
Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
919-962-9778
Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu>.
If you read the license, it prohibits it rather than just not supporting it.
(Or at least did the last time I read it.)
Mark
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Henry E Schaffer <he...@unity.ncsu.edu>wrote:
> Mark writes:
> > Yes. Apple only allows virtualizing OSX Server on Apple hardware. ...
>
> People have done it in spite of Apple's discouragement - and I've been
> told that it doesn't actually violate the license agreement, it just
> means that the use isn't suppported. (I don't have any idea if that's
> correct.)
>
> A search should be able to turn up more info.
>
> --henry
>
--
Mark Gardner
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Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by Henry E Schaffer <he...@unity.ncsu.edu>.
Mark writes:
> Yes. Apple only allows virtualizing OSX Server on Apple hardware. ...
People have done it in spite of Apple's discouragement - and I've been
told that it doesn't actually violate the license agreement, it just
means that the use isn't suppported. (I don't have any idea if that's
correct.)
A search should be able to turn up more info.
--henry
RE: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by "Waldron, Michael H" <mw...@email.unc.edu>.
Thanks for the responses!
Mike
Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
919-962-9778
From: Mark Gardner [mailto:mkg@vt.edu]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:09 AM
To: vcl-user@incubator.apache.org
Cc: David Abdurachmanov
Subject: Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Yes. Apple only allows virtualizing OSX Server on Apple hardware. I assumed that you weren't running on Apple hardware (I'm not) and hence I didn't mention that option.
Mark
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM, David Abdurachmanov <da...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Licence does allow running Mac OS X Server version in virtual machine. Oracle VirtualBox, Parallels (?) and VMWare already supports running Mac OS X in virtual machine.
This still might mean that it requires Apple approved hardware and host OS must be Mac OS X.
-david
On 2011.03.28, at 15:50, Mark Gardner wrote:
The main problem is that Apple's license does not allow it.
Mark
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Waldron, Michael H <mw...@email.unc.edu>> wrote:
Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on the VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very Unix-like under the covers.
Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
919-962-9778<tel:919-962-9778>
--
Mark Gardner
--
--
Mark Gardner
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Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu>.
Yes. Apple only allows virtualizing OSX Server on Apple hardware. I assumed
that you weren't running on Apple hardware (I'm not) and hence I didn't
mention that option.
Mark
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM, David Abdurachmanov <
david.abdurachmanov@gmail.com> wrote:
> Licence does allow running Mac OS X Server version in virtual machine.
> Oracle VirtualBox, Parallels (?) and VMWare already supports running Mac OS
> X in virtual machine.
>
> This still might mean that it requires Apple approved hardware and host OS
> must be Mac OS X.
>
> -david
>
> On 2011.03.28, at 15:50, Mark Gardner wrote:
>
> The main problem is that Apple's license does not allow it.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Waldron, Michael H <
> mwaldron@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on
>> the VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very Unix-like
>> under the covers.
>>
>>
>> Mike Waldron
>>
>> Systems Specialist
>>
>> ITS Research Computing
>>
>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>>
>> CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
>>
>> 919-962-9778
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Gardner
> --
>
>
>
--
Mark Gardner
--
Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by David Abdurachmanov <da...@gmail.com>.
Licence does allow running Mac OS X Server version in virtual machine. Oracle VirtualBox, Parallels (?) and VMWare already supports running Mac OS X in virtual machine.
This still might mean that it requires Apple approved hardware and host OS must be Mac OS X.
-david
On 2011.03.28, at 15:50, Mark Gardner wrote:
> The main problem is that Apple's license does not allow it.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Waldron, Michael H <mw...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on the VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very Unix-like under the covers.
>
>
> Mike Waldron
>
> Systems Specialist
>
> ITS Research Computing
>
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
> CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
>
> 919-962-9778
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Gardner
> --
>
Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by Mark Gardner <mk...@vt.edu>.
The main problem is that Apple's license does not allow it.
Mark
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Waldron, Michael H
<mw...@email.unc.edu>wrote:
> Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on the
> VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very Unix-like under
> the covers.
>
>
>
> Mike Waldron
>
> Systems Specialist
>
> ITS Research Computing
>
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
> CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
>
> 919-962-9778
>
>
>
--
Mark Gardner
--
Re: Mac OS-X on VCL?
Posted by James O'Dell <jo...@fullerton.edu>.
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Hi,
I think there are a few things that need to be addressed about
running OSX images.
1. Licensing
If VMware, Parallel, and Virtual Box can run OSX server in
virtualization. It seems to me - we can follow their lead, and
run OSX server virtualized on Apple hardware, and stay within
the license.
2. OSX module
While it is true OSX is running Unix (Darwin/Mach). There have
been significant changes under the hood. (i.e. 'Launched' changes
things a great deal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchd). So,
while the general structure, of say Linux.pm can be used. It does
take some work to find/create alternate commands.
3. Remote access
OSX doesn't really include a good remote desktop system. You can
configure it to use VNC. But VNC's protocol(RFB) doesn't include
things like encryption, sound, drive mapping, .etc.
I have tried quite a few windows VNC clients to connect to Apple's
VNC server. TightVNC ran the best, but it still crashed more often
than I would like.
You can get a third party product (i.e. http://www.coderebel.com -
iRAPP's RDP server)to provide the RDP server. But, it's an additional
cost, and it's inclusion, would change how the VCL image is
accessed.
I have a instance of OSX Server running under VMWare's ESXi on a
MacPro. I've been running tests on it. I hope to figure out how to
add it to VCL. People have been asking for it.
Just my 2 cents,
__Jim
On 3/28/2011 5:40 AM, Waldron, Michael H wrote:
> Has anyone written a provisioning module to deploy Mac OS-X images on
> the VCL? I know very little about Mac but it appears to be very
> Unix-like under the covers.
>
>
>
> Mike Waldron
>
> Systems Specialist
>
> ITS Research Computing
>
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>
> CB 3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
>
> 919-962-9778
>
>
>
- --
Jim O'Dell
Network Analyst
California State University Fullerton
Email: jodell@fullerton.edu
Phone: (657) 278-2256
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