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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Felix Meschberger <fm...@apache.org> on 2009/04/01 07:23:00 UTC

New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Hi,

together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
Apache.

You'll find all the details here:

   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal

Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.

If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)

Regards
Felix
fmeschbe(at)apache(dot)org

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RE: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Gavin <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 3:33 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
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> Container
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Felix Meschberger [mailto:fmeschbe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Felix
> > Meschberger
> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 3:23 PM
> > To: Incubator General
> > Subject: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
> > I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
> > Apache.
> >
> > You'll find all the details here:
> >
> >    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
> >
> > Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
> > interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
> >
> > If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)
> 
> I can just imagine rat scripts or ant tasks loving the name 'null' :)
> 
> A question: Is it normal that 3 of the 4 committers will also be Champion
> and Mentors ?? That does not seem right to me.

... and being the afternoon in Australia it does not count :)

> 
> Gav...
> 
> >
> > Regards
> > Felix
> > fmeschbe(at)apache(dot)org
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RE: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Gavin <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Meschberger [mailto:fmeschbe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Felix
> Meschberger
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 3:23 PM
> To: Incubator General
> Subject: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container
> 
> Hi,
> 
> together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
> I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
> Apache.
> 
> You'll find all the details here:
> 
>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
> 
> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
> 
> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)

I can just imagine rat scripts or ant tasks loving the name 'null' :)

A question: Is it normal that 3 of the 4 committers will also be Champion
and Mentors ?? That does not seem right to me.

Gav...

> 
> Regards
> Felix
> fmeschbe(at)apache(dot)org
> 
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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Felix Meschberger <fm...@apache.org> wrote:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal

+0!

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by J Aaron Farr <fa...@apache.org>.
On Wed 01 Apr 2009 14:02, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 07:23 +0200, Felix Meschberger wrote:
>>
>> You'll find all the details here:
>> 
>>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
>> 
>> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
>> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
>> 
>> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)
>
> My wholehearted +1. I'll mentor it. 

+null


> This could be the next big thing at Apache after:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/iz6ejtre3dwtfgdo

You know, the subversion classloader was a *great* idea.

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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@apache.org>.
Hi,

Upayavira schrieb:
> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 07:23 +0200, Felix Meschberger wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
>> I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
>> Apache.
>>
>> You'll find all the details here:
>>
>>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
>>
>> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
>> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
>>
>> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)
> 
> My wholehearted +1. I'll mentor it.

Great. Thanks.

So this should releave Gavin's concerns quite a bit.

> This could be the next big thing at
> Apache after:
> 
> http://markmail.org/message/iz6ejtre3dwtfgdo

Cool stuff!

Regards
Felix

> 
> Upayavira
> 
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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 07:23 +0200, Felix Meschberger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
> I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
> Apache.
> 
> You'll find all the details here:
> 
>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
> 
> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
> 
> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)

My wholehearted +1. I'll mentor it. This could be the next big thing at
Apache after:

http://markmail.org/message/iz6ejtre3dwtfgdo

Upayavira


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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
I have some doubts at a couple of things, based on my presentation at
last ApacheCon:

 - Naming: null is a very popular name. Since wikipedia has the top
level google hit already, I suggest NullPointerException which has a
top position held by Sun, and which is much easier to be obtained
after the IBM takeover.

 - Perfect code: since null is such a concise language, the project is
already finished and will most likely fail to attract a large
developer community

There are also some omissions in the proposal, here are my proposed changes:

svn location: /dev/null
site location: /dev/null
graduation position: /dev/null

But given my doubts, I still think this non-podling is on the
fasttrack to graduation. I suspect it to graduate at the end of the
day. Which is a good thing, since then the podling doesn't have to
report.

Martijn

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Felix Meschberger <fm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
> I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
> Apache.
>
> You'll find all the details here:
>
>   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
>
> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
>
> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)
>
> Regards
> Felix
> fmeschbe(at)apache(dot)org
>
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Re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Felix Meschberger <fm...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...You'll find all the details here:
>
>   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal...

Thanks!
Seems like you forgot Rick in the committers lists, I have added him
now - http://is.gd/AJ

-Bertrand

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re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container

Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Excellent proposal. I am totally convinced of the superiority of the approach.

In fact I already have an idea for interoperability plug-in that will allow access to any SOAP 1.3 capable service. I have already some code in Java that I am currently converting to Null. My suggestion for the title of the subproject is "Void". I am sure with the aid of the community Null and Void will make a perfect match.

Rainer


Felix Meschberger wrote:
> re: New Incubator Proposal: Null - A cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container
> 
> Hi,
> 
> together with Bertrand Delacretaz, Carsten Ziegeler, and Jukka Zitting,
> I came up with a proposal to bring our cloud-aware Web 3.0 Container to
> Apache.
> 
> You'll find all the details here:
> 
>    http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NullProposal
> 
> Now, currently we are looking for interested parties. So if you are
> interested in this proposal, please add your name to the wiki page.
> 
> If anything is missing/unclear etc. let's discuss it :)
> 
> Regards
> Felix
> fmeschbe(at)apache(dot)org
> 
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