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Posted to users@shindig.apache.org by rb...@gmail.com on 2013/02/12 02:33:51 UTC
Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
Paul do you still plan on making the changes to drop 1.5 support?
On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From and IBM perspective we are OK with the move to 1.6 and dropping 1.5 support.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com> wrote:
> +users@shindig.apache.org
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2013, Matt Franklin wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Paul Lindner wrote:
> >
> > > Sadly looks like commons-io-2.2 and commons-codec-1.6 is the EOL for java
> > > 1.5
> > >
> > > How important is 1.5 compatibility for everyone?
> >
> >
> > IMO, not that important; but you might check the users list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: *Apache Jenkins Server*
> > > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
> > > Subject: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
> > > To: commits@shindig.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > > See <
> > > https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/60/changes>
> > >
> > > Changes:
> > >
> > > [ddumont] @Singleton
> > > Closure compiler should be a singleton
> > >
> > > [lindner] Update apache parent pom to v12, update source-code compatible
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------
> > > [...truncated 4242 lines...]
> > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:jar (attach-sources) @
> > > shindig-features ---
> > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > >
> > >
> > https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar
> > > >
> > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > mojoSucceeded
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > forkedProjectStarted org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > mojoStarted
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > [INFO]
> > > [INFO] --- maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0:enforce (enforce-java) @
> > > shindig-features ---
> > > mojoSucceeded
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > Jan 11, 2013 1:25:20 AM hudson.maven.ExecutedMojo <init>
> > > WARNING: Failed to getClass for
> > > org.apache.maven.plugin.source.TestSourceJarMojo
> > > forkedProjectSucceeded org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > mojoStarted
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > [INFO]
> > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:test-jar (attach-sources) @
> > > shindig-features ---
> > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > >
> > >
> > https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-test-sources.jar
> > > >
> > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > mojoSucceeded
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > mojoStarted
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0(attach-descriptor)
> > > [INFO]
> > > [INFO] --- maven-site-plugin:3.0:attach-descriptor (attach-descriptor) @
> > > shindig-features ---
> > > mojoSucceeded
> > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-site-plugin:3.0(attach-descriptor)
> > > mojoStarted org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-jar-plugin:2.3.1(default)
> > > [INFO]
> > > [INFO] --- maven-jar-plugin:2.3.1:test-jar (default) @ shindig-features
> > ---
> > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > >
> > >
> > https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-tests.jar
> > > >
> > > mojoSucceeded org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-jar-plugin:2.3.1(default)
> > > mojoStarted org.apache.rat:apache-rat-plugin:0.8(default)
> > > [INFO]
> > > [INFO] -> --
> > > Paul Lindner -- lindner@inuus.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;> --
> > > profiles.google.com/pmlindner
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Paul Lindner -- lindner@inuus.com -- profiles.google.com/pmlindner
>
Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
Posted by rb...@gmail.com.
Great thanks Paul!
On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com> wrote:
> Since no-one has piped up I can clean up the java16 maven magic.
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2013, wrote:
>
>> Paul do you still plan on making the changes to drop 1.5 support?
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From and IBM perspective we are OK with the move to 1.6 and dropping 1.5
>> support.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>
>> wrote:
>>> +users@shindig.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 11, 2013, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Paul Lindner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like commons-io-2.2 and commons-codec-1.6 is the EOL for
>> java
>>>>> 1.5
>>>>>
>>>>> How important is 1.5 compatibility for everyone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO, not that important; but you might check the users list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: *Apache Jenkins Server*
>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
>>>>> Subject: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
>>>>> To: commits@shindig.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See <
>>>>>
>> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/60/changes>
>>>>>
>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> [ddumont] @Singleton
>>>>> Closure compiler should be a singleton
>>>>>
>>>>> [lindner] Update apache parent pom to v12, update source-code
>> compatible
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>> [...truncated 4242 lines...]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:jar (attach-sources) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] Building jar: <
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar
>>>>>>
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> mojoSucceeded
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
>>>>> forkedProjectStarted
>> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
>>>>> mojoStarted
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
>>>>> [INFO]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0:enforce (enforce-java) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> mojoSucceeded
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
>>>>> Jan 11, 2013 1:25:20 AM hudson.maven.ExecutedMojo <init>
>>>>> WARNING: Failed to getClass for
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugin.source.TestSourceJarMojo
>>>>> forkedProjectSucceeded
>> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
>>>>> mojoStarted
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
>>>>> [INFO]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:test-jar (attach-sources) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] Building jar: <
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-test-sources.jar>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Lindner -- lindner@inuus.com -- profiles.google.com/pmlindner
Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
Posted by rb...@gmail.com.
Great thanks Paul!
On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com> wrote:
> Since no-one has piped up I can clean up the java16 maven magic.
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2013, wrote:
>
>> Paul do you still plan on making the changes to drop 1.5 support?
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From and IBM perspective we are OK with the move to 1.6 and dropping 1.5
>> support.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>
>> wrote:
>>> +users@shindig.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 11, 2013, Matt Franklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Paul Lindner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like commons-io-2.2 and commons-codec-1.6 is the EOL for
>> java
>>>>> 1.5
>>>>>
>>>>> How important is 1.5 compatibility for everyone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO, not that important; but you might check the users list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: *Apache Jenkins Server*
>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
>>>>> Subject: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
>>>>> To: commits@shindig.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See <
>>>>>
>> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/60/changes>
>>>>>
>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> [ddumont] @Singleton
>>>>> Closure compiler should be a singleton
>>>>>
>>>>> [lindner] Update apache parent pom to v12, update source-code
>> compatible
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>> [...truncated 4242 lines...]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:jar (attach-sources) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] Building jar: <
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar
>>>>>>
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> mojoSucceeded
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
>>>>> forkedProjectStarted
>> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
>>>>> mojoStarted
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
>>>>> [INFO]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0:enforce (enforce-java) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> mojoSucceeded
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
>>>>> Jan 11, 2013 1:25:20 AM hudson.maven.ExecutedMojo <init>
>>>>> WARNING: Failed to getClass for
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugin.source.TestSourceJarMojo
>>>>> forkedProjectSucceeded
>> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
>>>>> mojoStarted
>>>>> org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
>>>>> [INFO]
>>>>> [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:test-jar (attach-sources) @
>>>>> shindig-features ---
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
>>>>> [INFO] Building jar: <
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-test-sources.jar>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Lindner -- lindner@inuus.com -- profiles.google.com/pmlindner
Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
Posted by Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>.
Since no-one has piped up I can clean up the java16 maven magic.
On Monday, February 11, 2013, wrote:
> Paul do you still plan on making the changes to drop 1.5 support?
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From and IBM perspective we are OK with the move to 1.6 and dropping 1.5
> support.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>
> wrote:
> > +users@shindig.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, January 11, 2013, Matt Franklin wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Paul Lindner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sadly looks like commons-io-2.2 and commons-codec-1.6 is the EOL for
> java
> > > > 1.5
> > > >
> > > > How important is 1.5 compatibility for everyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, not that important; but you might check the users list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: *Apache Jenkins Server*
> > > > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
> > > > Subject: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
> > > > To: commits@shindig.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See <
> > > >
> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/60/changes>
> > > >
> > > > Changes:
> > > >
> > > > [ddumont] @Singleton
> > > > Closure compiler should be a singleton
> > > >
> > > > [lindner] Update apache parent pom to v12, update source-code
> compatible
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------
> > > > [...truncated 4242 lines...]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:jar (attach-sources) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar
> > > > >
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > mojoSucceeded
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > > forkedProjectStarted
> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > > mojoStarted
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > > [INFO]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0:enforce (enforce-java) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > mojoSucceeded
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > > Jan 11, 2013 1:25:20 AM hudson.maven.ExecutedMojo <init>
> > > > WARNING: Failed to getClass for
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugin.source.TestSourceJarMojo
> > > > forkedProjectSucceeded
> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > > mojoStarted
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > > [INFO]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:test-jar (attach-sources) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> <https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-test-sources.jar>
--
Paul Lindner -- lindner@inuus.com -- profiles.google.com/pmlindner
Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
Posted by Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>.
Since no-one has piped up I can clean up the java16 maven magic.
On Monday, February 11, 2013, wrote:
> Paul do you still plan on making the changes to drop 1.5 support?
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Baxter <rb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From and IBM perspective we are OK with the move to 1.6 and dropping 1.5
> support.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Paul Lindner <li...@inuus.com>
> wrote:
> > +users@shindig.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, January 11, 2013, Matt Franklin wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Paul Lindner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sadly looks like commons-io-2.2 and commons-codec-1.6 is the EOL for
> java
> > > > 1.5
> > > >
> > > > How important is 1.5 compatibility for everyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, not that important; but you might check the users list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: *Apache Jenkins Server*
> > > > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
> > > > Subject: Build failed in Jenkins: Shindig Trunk (JDK 1.5) #60
> > > > To: commits@shindig.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See <
> > > >
> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/60/changes>
> > > >
> > > > Changes:
> > > >
> > > > [ddumont] @Singleton
> > > > Closure compiler should be a singleton
> > > >
> > > > [lindner] Update apache parent pom to v12, update source-code
> compatible
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------
> > > > [...truncated 4242 lines...]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:jar (attach-sources) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar
> > > > >
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > mojoSucceeded
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > > forkedProjectStarted
> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > > mojoStarted
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > > [INFO]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0:enforce (enforce-java) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > mojoSucceeded
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-enforcer-plugin:1.0(enforce-java)
> > > > Jan 11, 2013 1:25:20 AM hudson.maven.ExecutedMojo <init>
> > > > WARNING: Failed to getClass for
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugin.source.TestSourceJarMojo
> > > > forkedProjectSucceeded
> org.apache.shindig:shindig-features:2.5.0-SNAPSHOT
> > > > mojoStarted
> > > > org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin:2.1.2(attach-sources)
> > > > [INFO]
> > > > [INFO] --- maven-source-plugin:2.1.2:test-jar (attach-sources) @
> > > > shindig-features ---
> > > > [INFO] META-INF already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/NOTICE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/LICENSE already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] META-INF/DEPENDENCIES already added, skipping
> > > > [INFO] Building jar: <
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> <https://builds.apache.org/job/Shindig%20Trunk%20(JDK%201.5)/ws/features/target/shindig-features-2.5.0-SNAPSHOT-test-sources.jar>
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