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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Ian Marshall <ia...@itlhosting.co.uk> on 2014/06/29 13:33:28 UTC
experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and xenserver 6.2
Hi All
Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud solution.
Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no issues
with these.
What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
restrictions, plase advise what these were.
We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
product ranges.
Regards
Ian
Re: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and
xenserver 6.2
Posted by Ian Marshall <ia...@itlhosting.co.uk>.
Thanks Lucian
This has given me an overview, much appreciated.
regards
Ian
Regards
Ian
On 29 June 2014 14:40, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have both standalone XS and ACS. Off the top of my head, the best few
> reasons to use ACS:
> - user management and resource limit enforcement as well as tracking (eg
> we always seem to "lose"/misplace IPs with standalone HVs) and statistics
> - HV agnostic (almost), we use XS and KVM
> - network management
> - virtual router more advanced features (VPN, load balancer etc)
> - powerful API that can be used to automate stuff dramatically
>
> With just XS the biggest PITA is tracking and setting network related
> info. With ACS I just give it a few IP and VLAN ranges and tell it to just
> use them.
> Additionally, ACS has the concept of (resource limited) "projects" which
> multiple users can participate in. Not to mention additional goodies like
> cloud-init which can help with automation quite a bit (ie running user
> scripts at boot, setting SSH keys, root passwords etc).
>
> It will change the way you work and once you get it off the ground and
> running, it will save you significant time and stress.
>
> BUT, before you start using ACS in production: TEST, TEST, TEST! I can't
> stress this enough.
> IMHO cloud is hard, the software is big and complex and there are rough
> edges here and there, so take your time, get to know it; to know its
> weaknesses and strengths and use them appropriately.
>
> HTH
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian Marshall" <ia...@itlhosting.co.uk>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 29 June, 2014 12:33:28 PM
> > Subject: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and
> xenserver 6.2
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud
> solution.
> > Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
> > consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
> >
> > We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no
> issues
> > with these.
> >
> > What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
> > just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
> > restrictions, plase advise what these were.
> >
> > We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
> > and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
> > product ranges.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ian
> >
>
Re: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and
xenserver 6.2
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi,
We have both standalone XS and ACS. Off the top of my head, the best few reasons to use ACS:
- user management and resource limit enforcement as well as tracking (eg we always seem to "lose"/misplace IPs with standalone HVs) and statistics
- HV agnostic (almost), we use XS and KVM
- network management
- virtual router more advanced features (VPN, load balancer etc)
- powerful API that can be used to automate stuff dramatically
With just XS the biggest PITA is tracking and setting network related info. With ACS I just give it a few IP and VLAN ranges and tell it to just use them.
Additionally, ACS has the concept of (resource limited) "projects" which multiple users can participate in. Not to mention additional goodies like cloud-init which can help with automation quite a bit (ie running user scripts at boot, setting SSH keys, root passwords etc).
It will change the way you work and once you get it off the ground and running, it will save you significant time and stress.
BUT, before you start using ACS in production: TEST, TEST, TEST! I can't stress this enough.
IMHO cloud is hard, the software is big and complex and there are rough edges here and there, so take your time, get to know it; to know its weaknesses and strengths and use them appropriately.
HTH
Lucian
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Marshall" <ia...@itlhosting.co.uk>
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Sunday, 29 June, 2014 12:33:28 PM
> Subject: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and xenserver 6.2
>
> Hi All
>
> Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud solution.
> Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
> consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
>
> We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no issues
> with these.
>
> What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
> just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
> restrictions, plase advise what these were.
>
> We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
> and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
> product ranges.
>
> Regards
> Ian
>
Re: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and xenserver
6.2
Posted by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>.
Hi Ian,
Reply inline;
Ian Marshall wrote:
> Thanks Rohit
>
> Some useful reading, which I found interesting.
>
> Would I be correct to assume vAPPs in XS is a basic version of VPC in CS,
> or are they totally different.
XenServer vAPPs provides a way to logically group multiple VMs and that
group is treated and managed as a single entity. VPC (virtual private
cloud) is like a private cloud container which has its own network and
is logically isolated CloudStack and it was modeled like AWS VPC
(http://aws.amazon.com/vpc).
Regards.
>
>
> regards
> Ian
>
> Regards
> Ian
>
>
> On 29 June 2014 14:28, Rohit Yadav<ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Hi All
>>> Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud
>>> solution.
>>> Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
>>> consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
>>>
>>> We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no
>>> issues
>>> with these.
>>>
>>> What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
>>> just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
>>> restrictions, plase advise what these were.
>>>
>> You can control a cluster of XS hosts using XenCenter but it may not be
>> scalable and manageable since you mention that in future you may need to
>> support multiple sites, need account/project management etc.
>>
>> OpenStack is not a turn-key solution, I think it's more like a
>> toolkit/framework so it usually takes a lot of time. Apache CloudStack
>> on the other hand is a turn-key solution. You may google why people
>> chose CloudStack, see this for example:
>> http://insights.wired.com/profiles/blogs/why-cloudstack
>>
>> As for list of features, some of the them are listed here:
>> http://cloudstack.apache.org/software/features.html
>>
>> We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
>>> and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
>>> product ranges.
>>>
>> If it gives you some assurance, there are large number of hosting,
>> IaaS/Paas/SaaS companies using it:
>> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack/are-these-people-
>> really-all-using-cloudstack/
>>
>> You may checkout following case studies where people are doing PaaS/SaaS
>> work using CloudStack:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Case+Studies
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rohit Yadav
>> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
>> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
>> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>>
>> IaaS Cloud Design& Build<http://shapeblue.com/
>> iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
>> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
>> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
>> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/
>> cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
>> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/
>> cloudstack-training/>
>>
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>> registered trademark.
>>
>
--
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
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Re: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and
xenserver 6.2
Posted by Ian Marshall <ia...@itlhosting.co.uk>.
Thanks Rohit
Some useful reading, which I found interesting.
Would I be correct to assume vAPPs in XS is a basic version of VPC in CS,
or are they totally different.
regards
Ian
Regards
Ian
On 29 June 2014 14:28, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> Hi All
>>
>> Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud
>> solution.
>> Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
>> consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
>>
>> We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no
>> issues
>> with these.
>>
>> What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
>> just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
>> restrictions, plase advise what these were.
>>
>
> You can control a cluster of XS hosts using XenCenter but it may not be
> scalable and manageable since you mention that in future you may need to
> support multiple sites, need account/project management etc.
>
> OpenStack is not a turn-key solution, I think it's more like a
> toolkit/framework so it usually takes a lot of time. Apache CloudStack
> on the other hand is a turn-key solution. You may google why people
> chose CloudStack, see this for example:
> http://insights.wired.com/profiles/blogs/why-cloudstack
>
> As for list of features, some of the them are listed here:
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/software/features.html
>
> We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
>> and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
>> product ranges.
>>
>
> If it gives you some assurance, there are large number of hosting,
> IaaS/Paas/SaaS companies using it:
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack/are-these-people-
> really-all-using-cloudstack/
>
> You may checkout following case studies where people are doing PaaS/SaaS
> work using CloudStack:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Case+Studies
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/
> iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/
> cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/
> cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a
> registered trademark.
>
Re: experience's and issues with setting up cloudstack 4.3 and xenserver
6.2
Posted by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>.
Hi Ian,
> Hi All
>
> Openstack is now dumped as the preferred route to a private cloud solution.
> Due to the issues with getting that installed, I need to get buy-in to
> consider redeployment using Cloudstack.
>
> We have got xenserver 6.2 running with EQLX as shared storage, so no issues
> with these.
>
> What I am struggling with is being able to list the benefits of CS over
> just XS deployment. So if anyone has migrated from XS to CS due to
> restrictions, plase advise what these were.
You can control a cluster of XS hosts using XenCenter but it may not be
scalable and manageable since you mention that in future you may need to
support multiple sites, need account/project management etc.
OpenStack is not a turn-key solution, I think it's more like a
toolkit/framework so it usually takes a lot of time. Apache CloudStack
on the other hand is a turn-key solution. You may google why people
chose CloudStack, see this for example:
http://insights.wired.com/profiles/blogs/why-cloudstack
As for list of features, some of the them are listed here:
http://cloudstack.apache.org/software/features.html
> We need to be able to deploy across multiple sites and isolate 'projects'
> and future expectations is SaaS/PaaS requirements as we diversify our
> product ranges.
If it gives you some assurance, there are large number of hosting,
IaaS/Paas/SaaS companies using it:
http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack/are-these-people-really-all-using-cloudstack/
You may checkout following case studies where people are doing PaaS/SaaS
work using CloudStack:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Case+Studies
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.