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Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
What do you think about this post and comments :
http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is how
our reactor is working.
We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
necessary builds in others modules.
Cheers,
Arnaud
# Arnaud Héritier
# Software Factory Manager
# eXo Platform
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@sonatype.com>.
I'm talking to the JBoss folks at JBoss World next week.
On 25-Aug-09, at 9:09 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
> What do you think about this post and comments :
> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them
> is how
> our reactor is working.
> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically
> call
> necessary builds in others modules.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arnaud
>
> # Arnaud Héritier
> # Software Factory Manager
> # eXo Platform
> # http://www.exoplatform.com
> # http://blog.aheritier.net
Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
I have, but I was re-implementing a pattern for dependency handling in
a unified code-tree based a bit on the Ports tree system from the *BSD
projects. Having said that, it's still rare, and even then, it was
only walking up, because I defined relative location to a root, rather
than absolute location to the root. In actual fact, I was doing
everything referenced from the top, but the top was defined as
a ../../.. style path from the leaf.
Christian.
On 2009-08-25, at 22:31 , Brian Fox wrote:
> I've never seen make or ant scripts that effectively crawled up a disk
> looking for other things to build. I don't see how maven is different.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jochen
> Wiedmann<jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Arnaud HERITIER-3 wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them
>>> is how
>>> our reactor is working.
>>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically
>>> call
>>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>>
>>
>> Honestly, I never understood why Maven is building modules top down
>> (parents
>> first, then childs) as opposed to the other way. Makefiles, or Ant
>> scripts,
>> are typically working the other way round and that seems much
>> simpler, from
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
I've never seen make or ant scripts that effectively crawled up a disk
looking for other things to build. I don't see how maven is different.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jochen
Wiedmann<jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Arnaud HERITIER-3 wrote:
>>
>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is how
>> our reactor is working.
>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>
>
> Honestly, I never understood why Maven is building modules top down (parents
> first, then childs) as opposed to the other way. Makefiles, or Ant scripts,
> are typically working the other way round and that seems much simpler, from
> my experience.
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Hibernate-feedback-about-Maven-usage.-tp25137434p25141394.html
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@sonatype.com>.
On 25-Aug-09, at 1:27 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>
>
>
> Arnaud HERITIER-3 wrote:
>>
>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them
>> is how
>> our reactor is working.
>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically
>> call
>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>
>
> Honestly, I never understood why Maven is building modules top down
> (parents
> first, then childs) as opposed to the other way. Makefiles, or Ant
> scripts,
> are typically working the other way round and that seems much
> simpler, from
> my experience.
>
Maven doesn't internally work top down. It works with a graph and
initially determining the root of the graph was certain when starting
from the top. The reactor plugin goes another step, Maven 3.x has this
behavior built in, and with a deterministic way of knowing the root
(even if you have more projects linked in with relativePath) then
fully utilizing the graph will be reasonably straight forward.
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Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
Arnaud HERITIER-3 wrote:
>
> What do you think about this post and comments :
> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is how
> our reactor is working.
> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
> necessary builds in others modules.
>
Honestly, I never understood why Maven is building modules top down (parents
first, then childs) as opposed to the other way. Makefiles, or Ant scripts,
are typically working the other way round and that seems much simpler, from
my experience.
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com>.
I think it could be an interesting feature (and will help to fight against
others tools siren like graddle ;-) )I agree that it is strange to see this
behavior from another OSS project.
But it's often done like that.
I opened this issue to keep a trace of it :
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4324
thanks
Arnaud
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> We could surely add that. For example:
>
> some-module$ mvn -amd clean install
>
> The -amd without -pl means use the current project and search up through
> available parents iff the modules also match to construct the reactor
> instead.
>
> Perhaps if it was posted in a JIRA entry instead of a "maven doesn't work"
> blog someone would JDI :)
>
>
> On 25/08/2009, at 12:44 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>
> Partially, in fact they would like to have something easier to use.Instead
>> of using command line args from the reactor project to say what to build,
>> they would prefer to go directly in the submodule and to launch the build.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> As the commenters said, the new reactor modes in 2.1 (and the reactor
>>> plugin in 2.0) already satisfy those needs.
>>>
>>> - Brett
>>>
>>> On 25/08/2009, at 12:09 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>>>
>>>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is
>>>> how
>>>> our reactor is working.
>>>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
>>>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Arnaud
>>>>
>>>> # Arnaud Héritier
>>>> # Software Factory Manager
>>>> # eXo Platform
>>>> # http://www.exoplatform.com
>>>> # http://blog.aheritier.net
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Paul Benedict wrote:
> The best way of getting features into Apache's source repository is to
> submit a patch.
>
While true, that is a fairly hard task. First, which version would you
target? Many users are still going to be on 2.0.9 while the 2.2 code
base is a bit different and 3.0 even more so. Second, 2.0.x is
incredibly fragile in a lot of cases. Changing much of anything in the
core seems to have lots of side effects. Just look at how long the
development of 3.0 has been going on and I believe Jason is actually
paying people to try to get the job done.
Some of the complaints were about the release plugin, not just the
ability to build from a subproject. I haven't seen too many comments
that address those issues.
Ralph
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
The best way of getting features into Apache's source repository is to
submit a patch.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> We could surely add that. For example:
>
> some-module$ mvn -amd clean install
>
> The -amd without -pl means use the current project and search up through
> available parents iff the modules also match to construct the reactor
> instead.
>
> Perhaps if it was posted in a JIRA entry instead of a "maven doesn't work"
> blog someone would JDI :)
>
>
> On 25/08/2009, at 12:44 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>
> Partially, in fact they would like to have something easier to use.Instead
>> of using command line args from the reactor project to say what to build,
>> they would prefer to go directly in the submodule and to launch the build.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> As the commenters said, the new reactor modes in 2.1 (and the reactor
>>> plugin in 2.0) already satisfy those needs.
>>>
>>> - Brett
>>>
>>> On 25/08/2009, at 12:09 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>>>
>>>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is
>>>> how
>>>> our reactor is working.
>>>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
>>>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Arnaud
>>>>
>>>> # Arnaud Héritier
>>>> # Software Factory Manager
>>>> # eXo Platform
>>>> # http://www.exoplatform.com
>>>> # http://blog.aheritier.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
We could surely add that. For example:
some-module$ mvn -amd clean install
The -amd without -pl means use the current project and search up
through available parents iff the modules also match to construct the
reactor instead.
Perhaps if it was posted in a JIRA entry instead of a "maven doesn't
work" blog someone would JDI :)
On 25/08/2009, at 12:44 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
> Partially, in fact they would like to have something easier to
> use.Instead
> of using command line args from the reactor project to say what to
> build,
> they would prefer to go directly in the submodule and to launch the
> build.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> As the commenters said, the new reactor modes in 2.1 (and the reactor
>> plugin in 2.0) already satisfy those needs.
>>
>> - Brett
>>
>> On 25/08/2009, at 12:09 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>>
>> What do you think about this post and comments :
>>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them
>>> is how
>>> our reactor is working.
>>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically
>>> call
>>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>> # Arnaud Héritier
>>> # Software Factory Manager
>>> # eXo Platform
>>> # http://www.exoplatform.com
>>> # http://blog.aheritier.net
>>>
>>
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com>.
Partially, in fact they would like to have something easier to use.Instead
of using command line args from the reactor project to say what to build,
they would prefer to go directly in the submodule and to launch the build.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> As the commenters said, the new reactor modes in 2.1 (and the reactor
> plugin in 2.0) already satisfy those needs.
>
> - Brett
>
> On 25/08/2009, at 12:09 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
>
> What do you think about this post and comments :
>> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them is how
>> our reactor is working.
>> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically call
>> necessary builds in others modules.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>> # Arnaud Héritier
>> # Software Factory Manager
>> # eXo Platform
>> # http://www.exoplatform.com
>> # http://blog.aheritier.net
>>
>
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Re: Hibernate feedback about Maven usage.
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
As the commenters said, the new reactor modes in 2.1 (and the reactor
plugin in 2.0) already satisfy those needs.
- Brett
On 25/08/2009, at 12:09 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote:
> What do you think about this post and comments :
> http://relation.to/12116.laceOne thing that it seems to annoy them
> is how
> our reactor is working.
> We cannot call a build from a submodule which will automa(g)ically
> call
> necessary builds in others modules.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arnaud
>
> # Arnaud Héritier
> # Software Factory Manager
> # eXo Platform
> # http://www.exoplatform.com
> # http://blog.aheritier.net
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