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Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
webmaster@)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
>Greetings,
>
>
>I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project repositories
>such as
>
>project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that are
>used
>
>in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you is:
>does Apache software
>
>
>foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
>principles/policies/practices for their
>
>
>projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
>
>
>Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>
>--
>Sincerely,
>Akond Rahman,
>
>Graduate Teaching Assistant,
>
>Department of CSC, NCSU
>Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
More specifically, it is the exception rather than the rule that theASF infrastructure actually directly deploys the latest software writtenby Apache projects, so no there's really no devops being practicedin that way.
The infra team itself, as has been mentioned by others, has adopteddevops principles, but I suspect that's not the question you are interestedin.
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> ...If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation, as
> an organization have not adopted DevOps principles...
More precisely, our infrastructure team does work in a devops way with
lots of programmable infrastructure.
On the other hand the Foundation strives to interfere as little as
possible with the technical aspects of its projects, so we don't have
guidelines or standards regarding devops principles for our projects,
each Project Management Committee can work as they want.
-Bertrand
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> ...If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation, as
> an organization have not adopted DevOps principles...
More precisely, our infrastructure team does work in a devops way with
lots of programmable infrastructure.
On the other hand the Foundation strives to interfere as little as
possible with the technical aspects of its projects, so we don't have
guidelines or standards regarding devops principles for our projects,
each Project Management Committee can work as they want.
-Bertrand
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Somehow related to what's being discussed in this thread...
Is ASF managing this account https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/ at Docker Hub?
Is there any plan to have an official ASF Docker repository?
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Steve Loughran <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I should add that the ASF was one of the first places that java CI tooling
> was put together, with Apache Gump being the nightly build-from-scratch
> build of the entire OSS java stack. I'm not sure if it predates Martin
> Fowler's CruiseControl —if not it was concurrent.
>
> I will also note that the first written use of the term "continuous
> deployment" was actually a paper of mine discussing deployment of things
> using the ASF build tools and CruiseControl,
> http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2002/HPL-2002-274.pdf —again something
> that is concurrent with the work in the area by Kent Beck and Martin
> Fowler.
>
> Put succinctly: irrespective of how the ASF infrastructure team works, the
> build tool automation developed at the ASF was driven by the need of its
> authors to automate their building and testing; this happened at the same
> time as the development of junit, the first CI tooling, and the first early
> steps in continuous deployment —all stuff we helped enable.
>
> On 9 November 2015 at 20:38, Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > Thanks for all of your kind replies.
> > If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation,
> as
> > an organization have not adopted DevOps principles; it might happen on a
> > 'contributor' level, where each or a small group of contributors have
> > adopted DevOps to contribute to Apache projects.
> >
> > Thanks again ... much appreciated!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <
> roman@shaposhnik.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
> > > > manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
> > > > from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
> > > > folks to ask.
> > >
> > > if that is the case, the following link may be helpful:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+workflow+for+infrastructure-puppet+repo
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Roman.
> > >
> > > - Sam Ruby
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> Akond,
> > > >> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the
> > > question
> > > >> is relevant.
> > > >>
> > > >> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide
> their
> > > >> software as an online service.
> > > >> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such
> > as
> > > >> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the
> > > Enterprise
> > > >> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working
> on
> > > the
> > > >> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices
> at
> > > >> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of
> this,
> > > but
> > > >> it wouldn't surprise me...
> > > >>
> > > >> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided
> to
> > > >> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous
> > Integration
> > > >> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more.
> The
> > > >> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
> > > >> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but
> > possibly
> > > >> not the definition that you work with.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hope that helps.
> > > >> Niclas
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > >> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
> > > >>> webmaster@)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > >>> Chief Architect
> > > >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
> > > >>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
> > > >>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
> > > >>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >Greetings,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project
> > > repositories
> > > >>> >such as
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc.
> that
> > > are
> > > >>> >used
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you
> > is:
> > > >>> >does Apache software
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
> > > >>> >principles/policies/practices for their
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >--
> > > >>> >Sincerely,
> > > >>> >Akond Rahman,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
> > > >>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > > >> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Akond Rahman,
> > Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> > Department of CSC, NCSU
> > Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> >
>
--
Sergio Fernández
Partner Technology Manager
Redlink GmbH
m: +43 6602747925
e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
w: http://redlink.co
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@gmail.com>.
I should add that the ASF was one of the first places that java CI tooling
was put together, with Apache Gump being the nightly build-from-scratch
build of the entire OSS java stack. I'm not sure if it predates Martin
Fowler's CruiseControl —if not it was concurrent.
I will also note that the first written use of the term "continuous
deployment" was actually a paper of mine discussing deployment of things
using the ASF build tools and CruiseControl,
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2002/HPL-2002-274.pdf —again something
that is concurrent with the work in the area by Kent Beck and Martin
Fowler.
Put succinctly: irrespective of how the ASF infrastructure team works, the
build tool automation developed at the ASF was driven by the need of its
authors to automate their building and testing; this happened at the same
time as the development of junit, the first CI tooling, and the first early
steps in continuous deployment —all stuff we helped enable.
On 9 November 2015 at 20:38, Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> Thanks for all of your kind replies.
> If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation, as
> an organization have not adopted DevOps principles; it might happen on a
> 'contributor' level, where each or a small group of contributors have
> adopted DevOps to contribute to Apache projects.
>
> Thanks again ... much appreciated!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
> > > manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
> > > from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
> > > folks to ask.
> >
> > if that is the case, the following link may be helpful:
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+workflow+for+infrastructure-puppet+repo
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> Akond,
> > >> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the
> > question
> > >> is relevant.
> > >>
> > >> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
> > >> software as an online service.
> > >> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such
> as
> > >> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the
> > Enterprise
> > >> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on
> > the
> > >> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
> > >> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this,
> > but
> > >> it wouldn't surprise me...
> > >>
> > >> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
> > >> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous
> Integration
> > >> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
> > >> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
> > >> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but
> possibly
> > >> not the definition that you work with.
> > >>
> > >> Hope that helps.
> > >> Niclas
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
> > >>> webmaster@)
> > >>>
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>> Chief Architect
> > >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
> > >>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
> > >>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
> > >>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
> > >>>
> > >>> >Greetings,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project
> > repositories
> > >>> >such as
> > >>> >
> > >>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that
> > are
> > >>> >used
> > >>> >
> > >>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you
> is:
> > >>> >does Apache software
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
> > >>> >principles/policies/practices for their
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >--
> > >>> >Sincerely,
> > >>> >Akond Rahman,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
> > >>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > >> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Akond Rahman,
> Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> Department of CSC, NCSU
> Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
>
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>.
Greetings All,
Thanks for all of your kind replies.
If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation, as
an organization have not adopted DevOps principles; it might happen on a
'contributor' level, where each or a small group of contributors have
adopted DevOps to contribute to Apache projects.
Thanks again ... much appreciated!
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> > Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
> > manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
> > from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
> > folks to ask.
>
> if that is the case, the following link may be helpful:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+workflow+for+infrastructure-puppet+repo
>
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> wrote:
> >> Akond,
> >> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the
> question
> >> is relevant.
> >>
> >> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
> >> software as an online service.
> >> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such as
> >> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the
> Enterprise
> >> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on
> the
> >> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
> >> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this,
> but
> >> it wouldn't surprise me...
> >>
> >> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
> >> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous Integration
> >> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
> >> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
> >> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but possibly
> >> not the definition that you work with.
> >>
> >> Hope that helps.
> >> Niclas
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
> >>> webmaster@)
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Chief Architect
> >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
> >>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
> >>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
> >>>
> >>> >Greetings,
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project
> repositories
> >>> >such as
> >>> >
> >>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that
> are
> >>> >used
> >>> >
> >>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you is:
> >>> >does Apache software
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
> >>> >principles/policies/practices for their
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> >>> >
> >>> >--
> >>> >Sincerely,
> >>> >Akond Rahman,
> >>> >
> >>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> >>> >
> >>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
> >>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>
--
Sincerely,
Akond Rahman,
Graduate Teaching Assistant,
Department of CSC, NCSU
Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
> manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
> from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
> folks to ask.
if that is the case, the following link may be helpful:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+workflow+for+infrastructure-puppet+repo
> Thanks,
> Roman.
- Sam Ruby
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>> Akond,
>> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the question
>> is relevant.
>>
>> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
>> software as an online service.
>> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such as
>> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the Enterprise
>> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on the
>> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
>> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this, but
>> it wouldn't surprise me...
>>
>> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
>> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous Integration
>> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
>> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
>> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but possibly
>> not the definition that you work with.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Niclas
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
>>> webmaster@)
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
>>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
>>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
>>>
>>> >Greetings,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project repositories
>>> >such as
>>> >
>>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that are
>>> >used
>>> >
>>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you is:
>>> >does Apache software
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
>>> >principles/policies/practices for their
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >Sincerely,
>>> >Akond Rahman,
>>> >
>>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
>>> >
>>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
>>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
folks to ask.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> Akond,
> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the question
> is relevant.
>
> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
> software as an online service.
> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such as
> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the Enterprise
> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on the
> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this, but
> it wouldn't surprise me...
>
> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous Integration
> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but possibly
> not the definition that you work with.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Niclas
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
>> webmaster@)
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
>>
>> >Greetings,
>> >
>> >
>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project repositories
>> >such as
>> >
>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that are
>> >used
>> >
>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you is:
>> >does Apache software
>> >
>> >
>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
>> >principles/policies/practices for their
>> >
>> >
>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
>> >
>> >
>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Sincerely,
>> >Akond Rahman,
>> >
>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
>> >
>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Akond,
Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the question
is relevant.
Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
software as an online service.
Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such as
Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the Enterprise
around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on the
Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this, but
it wouldn't surprise me...
Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous Integration
applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but possibly
not the definition that you work with.
Hope that helps.
Niclas
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
> webmaster@)
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Akond Rahman <aa...@ncsu.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <we...@apache.org>
> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
>
> >Greetings,
> >
> >
> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project repositories
> >such as
> >
> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc. that are
> >used
> >
> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for you is:
> >does Apache software
> >
> >
> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
> >principles/policies/practices for their
> >
> >
> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
> >
> >
> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >--
> >Sincerely,
> >Akond Rahman,
> >
> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> >
> >Department of CSC, NCSU
> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java