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Posted to dev@ws.apache.org by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> on 2003/09/09 13:59:31 UTC
Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Folks,
Am not sure if you have noticed. downloads for all WS projects are available through our
mirror'ing system (http://ws.apache.org/mirrors.cgi).
Tetsuya,
Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS project? For example the Axis
project's download page will look like the other axis pages and will allow downloads for axis
only. Please let me know.
Thanks,
dims
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>.
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tetsuya,
>>Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS
>>project? For example the Axis project's download page will look like
>>the other axis pages and will allow downloads for axis only. Please
>>let me know.
>
>
> Okay, I think I will be able to. Furthermore, I am now thinking of
> the whole Axis website. Why don't you use Forrest? Can I help in this
> website's porting to Forrest-Like?
Why certainly -using 0.5 I guess.
I'd like to sit down and get the axis docs into a form that is good for
on screen and PDF navigation. I like printable stuff for the complex
bits, and axis falls into that category. Can Forrest generate PDFs from
the doc templates too?
I saw some hint of Docbook mentioned in the release notes -can we move
the core docs to docbook format and have Forrest deal with it, or is it
the other way around (Forrest XML -> DocBook -> LaTeX -> PDF)
Re: Use Forrest (Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Tetsuya,
I will back you up under one condition. You need to get a current committer of say Apache Axis to
start a VOTE for standardizing Axis web site. Then when majority VOTE's ok, then you (and the
committers) for that project can start the process of forrestizing that particular project. This
should NOT be forced from above. For example, you will have my +1 for Apache Axis site when there
is a VOTE in the axis-dev mailing list NOT on the general mailing list. The reason is in the long
run the committers for a project are responsible for the web site of their project.
Thanks,
dims
--- Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, Sanjiva, All
>
> Thank you for putting your precious "plus one" to me :-)
>
> I think the standardization of the website build would be important
> for us (ws-proj). However, at the same time, we have to think of
> the human resources to accomplish the standardizations.
>
> I would love to volunteer to make changes on the current structures of
> each (XMLRPC, SOAP, etc.) subprojects to be fit to what the FORREST
> requires. Current XMLRPC (and SOAP/WS/wsrp4j..gyaaa Anakia!) members do
> not have to think of and master the Apache Forrest itself.
> # Also, I will put a page on ws.apache.org about "HOW TO BUILD WEBSITES".
> # in the near future.
>
> On the supposition of it described above, what would you all say? :-)
> Opinions?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:36:30 +0600
> (Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
> "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sa...@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree that in principle its in the hands of the XMLRPC committers.
> > However, it would indeed be VERY nice IMO if the WS project were
> > to standardize on a build system, at least for new projects that
> > we start up. Having standardized infrastructure makes it easier
> > for developers to move across projects, for example.
> >
> > I'm a +1 for Tetsuya's suggestion.
> >
> > Sanjiva.
> <snip/>
>
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Use Forrest (Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
Hi, Sanjiva, All
Thank you for putting your precious "plus one" to me :-)
I think the standardization of the website build would be important
for us (ws-proj). However, at the same time, we have to think of
the human resources to accomplish the standardizations.
I would love to volunteer to make changes on the current structures of
each (XMLRPC, SOAP, etc.) subprojects to be fit to what the FORREST
requires. Current XMLRPC (and SOAP/WS/wsrp4j..gyaaa Anakia!) members do
not have to think of and master the Apache Forrest itself.
# Also, I will put a page on ws.apache.org about "HOW TO BUILD WEBSITES".
# in the near future.
On the supposition of it described above, what would you all say? :-)
Opinions?
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:36:30 +0600
(Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
"Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sa...@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
> I agree that in principle its in the hands of the XMLRPC committers.
> However, it would indeed be VERY nice IMO if the WS project were
> to standardize on a build system, at least for new projects that
> we start up. Having standardized infrastructure makes it easier
> for developers to move across projects, for example.
>
> I'm a +1 for Tetsuya's suggestion.
>
> Sanjiva.
<snip/>
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@watson.ibm.com>.
I agree that in principle its in the hands of the XMLRPC committers.
However, it would indeed be VERY nice IMO if the WS project were
to standardize on a build system, at least for new projects that
we start up. Having standardized infrastructure makes it easier
for developers to move across projects, for example.
I'm a +1 for Tetsuya's suggestion.
Sanjiva.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <di...@yahoo.com>
To: <ge...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
> Decision is wholly in XMLRPC committers hands. They can use whatever they
want.
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
> --- Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am not a committer of WS-XMLRPC, so this below is just my
> > innocent observation/opinion.
> >
> > As you know, Apache Jakarta consists of various build systems,
> > Maven/Anakia/Forrest/XSLT (Centipede in the past). Maybe you would say,
> > "The name 'Jakarta' implied the balkanization of each subprojects
> > into the realm of small islands" ... This is historical problem of
> > Jakarta Project, it seems.
> >
> > On the other hand, WebServices Project is *new* and *young*.
> > So, the standardization of the build system could make sense
> > and be easy to be done.
> > Now, ws-site is using Forrest ... therefore, when thinking of the
> > standardization of webservices project's subprojects,
> > it could be a natural thing of them to be unified to the
> > Forrest build system.
> >
> > Of course, this is the matter of the decision of WS-XMLRPC
> > Development Team and WebServices Project's PMC members.
> > The Apache XML Project is the most beautiful project from
> > this point of view - "consistency".
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:02:41 +1000
> > (Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored
downloads)
> > dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> >
> > > Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
> > > --
> > > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > > Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
> > >
> > >
> > > Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote on 10/09/2003 02:11:30 AM:
> > >
> > > > Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would
be
> > > > open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a
download
> > >
> > > > page with our look and feel?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ryan Hoegg
> > > > Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
> > > >
> > > > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web
> > > > site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
> > > > >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Decision is wholly in XMLRPC committers hands. They can use whatever they want.
Thanks,
dims
--- Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I am not a committer of WS-XMLRPC, so this below is just my
> innocent observation/opinion.
>
> As you know, Apache Jakarta consists of various build systems,
> Maven/Anakia/Forrest/XSLT (Centipede in the past). Maybe you would say,
> "The name 'Jakarta' implied the balkanization of each subprojects
> into the realm of small islands" ... This is historical problem of
> Jakarta Project, it seems.
>
> On the other hand, WebServices Project is *new* and *young*.
> So, the standardization of the build system could make sense
> and be easy to be done.
> Now, ws-site is using Forrest ... therefore, when thinking of the
> standardization of webservices project's subprojects,
> it could be a natural thing of them to be unified to the
> Forrest build system.
>
> Of course, this is the matter of the decision of WS-XMLRPC
> Development Team and WebServices Project's PMC members.
> The Apache XML Project is the most beautiful project from
> this point of view - "consistency".
>
> Sincerely,
>
> -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:02:41 +1000
> (Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
> dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
>
> > Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
> > --
> > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
> >
> >
> > Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote on 10/09/2003 02:11:30 AM:
> >
> > > Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> > > open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
> >
> > > page with our look and feel?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ryan Hoegg
> > > Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
> > >
> > > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > >
> > > >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web
> > > site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
> > > >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
>
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
I am not a committer of WS-XMLRPC, so this below is just my
innocent observation/opinion.
As you know, Apache Jakarta consists of various build systems,
Maven/Anakia/Forrest/XSLT (Centipede in the past). Maybe you would say,
"The name 'Jakarta' implied the balkanization of each subprojects
into the realm of small islands" ... This is historical problem of
Jakarta Project, it seems.
On the other hand, WebServices Project is *new* and *young*.
So, the standardization of the build system could make sense
and be easy to be done.
Now, ws-site is using Forrest ... therefore, when thinking of the
standardization of webservices project's subprojects,
it could be a natural thing of them to be unified to the
Forrest build system.
Of course, this is the matter of the decision of WS-XMLRPC
Development Team and WebServices Project's PMC members.
The Apache XML Project is the most beautiful project from
this point of view - "consistency".
Sincerely,
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:02:41 +1000
(Subject: Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads)
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
> --
> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
>
>
> Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote on 10/09/2003 02:11:30 AM:
>
> > Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> > open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
>
> > page with our look and feel?
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Hoegg
> > Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
> >
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web
> > site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
> > >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
yes to "the idea here just to have a download page with our look and feel"...
--- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> my bad :( either maven or xmlrpc is ok
>
> -- dims
>
> --- Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote:
> > Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> > open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
> > page with our look and feel?
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Hoegg
> > Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
> >
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web site. xmlrpc already uses
> > forrest.
> > >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
my bad :( either maven or xmlrpc is ok
-- dims
--- Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote:
> Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
> page with our look and feel?
>
> --
> Ryan Hoegg
> Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web site. xmlrpc already uses
> forrest.
> >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
> >
> >
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Re: the 1.0 release, I know, and we're getting there.
See
http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10030&report=roadmap
for the details.
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com> wrote on 10/09/2003 09:35:16 AM:
> dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
>
> I don't know of any pressing need to switch (though it sure would be
> nice if Maven would put out a dot-oh release). If anything, as Ryan
> said, we simply need to use Maven better (though I'm quite happy with
> just Ant for the needs of XML-RPC).
>
>
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
I don't know of any pressing need to switch (though it sure would be
nice if Maven would put out a dot-oh release). If anything, as Ryan
said, we simply need to use Maven better (though I'm quite happy with
just Ant for the needs of XML-RPC).
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
I made a mistake...i thought xmlrpc uses forrest. BUT it uses maven. NO need to change.
-- dims
--- dion@multitask.com.au wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
> --
> dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
>
>
> Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote on 10/09/2003 02:11:30 AM:
>
> > Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> > open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
>
> > page with our look and feel?
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Hoegg
> > Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
> >
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> > >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web
> > site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
> > >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
> > >
> > >
> >
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Out of curiosity, why switch from Maven to Forrest?
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net> wrote on 10/09/2003 02:11:30 AM:
> Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
> open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
> page with our look and feel?
>
> --
> Ryan Hoegg
> Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> >Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web
> site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
> >soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
> >
> >
>
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net>.
Actually we are currently using maven, and poorly at that. I would be
open to Forrest at some point. Is the idea here just to have a download
page with our look and feel?
--
Ryan Hoegg
Apache XML-RPC / http://ws.apache.org/xmlrpc
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
>soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
>
>
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Let's start with the mirror....Than we can forrest-ize Axis web site. xmlrpc already uses forrest.
soap can be done a bit later (if at all).
-- dims
--- Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Tetsuya,
> > Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS
> > project? For example the Axis project's download page will look like
> > the other axis pages and will allow downloads for axis only. Please
> > let me know.
>
> Okay, I think I will be able to. Furthermore, I am now thinking of
> the whole Axis website. Why don't you use Forrest? Can I help in this
> website's porting to Forrest-Like?
>
> XMLRPC and SOAP websites?
>
> -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tetsuya,
> Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS
> project? For example the Axis project's download page will look like
> the other axis pages and will allow downloads for axis only. Please
> let me know.
Okay, I think I will be able to. Furthermore, I am now thinking of
the whole Axis website. Why don't you use Forrest? Can I help in this
website's porting to Forrest-Like?
XMLRPC and SOAP websites?
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org>.
some folks from around apache are building a wiki page on release
management (and associated issues) that people might find helpful
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ReleaseManager. please feel
free to add and improve.
- robert
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Details at:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/convert-to-mirror.html
> http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html
> http://cvs.apache.org/~bodewig/mirror.html
>
> -- dims
>
> PS: During the next release for any WS project, we REALLY need to sign
> the zip's and tar's to
> ensure that they are not tampered with.
>
> --- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Folks,
>> Am not sure if you have noticed. downloads for all WS projects are
>> available through our
>> mirror'ing system (http://ws.apache.org/mirrors.cgi).
>>
>> Tetsuya,
>> Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS
>> project? For example the
>> Axis
>> project's download page will look like the other axis pages and will
>> allow downloads for axis
>> only. Please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> dims
>>
>> =====
>> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
>
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
>
Re: Updating all ws project sites to use the mirrored downloads
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Details at:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/convert-to-mirror.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html
http://cvs.apache.org/~bodewig/mirror.html
-- dims
PS: During the next release for any WS project, we REALLY need to sign the zip's and tar's to
ensure that they are not tampered with.
--- Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Folks,
> Am not sure if you have noticed. downloads for all WS projects are available through our
> mirror'ing system (http://ws.apache.org/mirrors.cgi).
>
> Tetsuya,
> Do you have some time to help implement a download page for each WS project? For example the
> Axis
> project's download page will look like the other axis pages and will allow downloads for axis
> only. Please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> dims
>
> =====
> Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
=====
Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/