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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> on 2013/01/18 05:58:40 UTC
How to make votes more visible?
On genera@ we discuss a lot of things. Especially when somebody wants
to discuss the formal side of the incubator there is suddenly a high
load on the mailinglist. It is very easy to miss current votes. At
least it happened to me.
Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?
Of course a webbased tool which shows information on the incubator
site would be perfect, but i am afraid we would need to code it and
there is just to less man power. Maybe there are other ideas
Christian
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Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I recommend that you start by politely asking your mentors.
>
> If you, or one of these other projects, don't have enough active
> mentors to pass a release vote, I recommend that you recruit more
> mentors. One possibility is that one the participants could join the
> IPMC; we have voted in people who have demonstrated enough grasp of
> the requirements.
Its not so easy to recruit mentors. Not for all projects.
> I am a pessimist about getting releases reviewed 'in the cloud' of
> miscellaneous members of this PMC.
Yes, actually very sad.
These projects have less than 3 mentors and cannot release a component
without the IPMC-cloud:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mesos.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/s4.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tashi.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
Many others "just" have three. Hopefully non of the mentors is on
holidays when the release comes out.
i watch a couple of projects and saw a lot of the mentors listed on
status pages are simply not present. Even when a project "recruits a
new mentor" it doesn't mean it can make a release with mentor-votes.
I remember Bloodhound, JSPWiki, Deltacloud had problems to get
necessary votes. Onami parent pom did take a while too. I think there
were many others too.
Christian
>
> --benson
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com> wrote:
>> On 18/01/13 11:30, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
>>>> You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
>>>> you don't miss them.
>>>
>>> In theory yes. But on the other hand i already have tons of gmail
>>> labels (counting asf lists only).
>>>
>>> There are some [VOTE]s open for a pretty long time. Basically this is
>>> the problem i wanted to address.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that [VOTE]s remaining open frustrates a number of incubator
>> projects. There currently seem to be 5 ongoing votes at this point which are
>> (I think I have these ordered by last response time):
>>
>> [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release - open 13 days
>> [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Test 1.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
>> [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Logging 3.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
>> [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution - open 5 days
>> [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating) - open 5 days
>>
>> Sorry if I missed any. Two of the above have just started but of the others,
>> two took (or are still taking) a fairly long time to get started.
>>
>> Regarding the original suggestion, a web based tool would only seem to be
>> useful if the problem is associated with IPMC members not noticing rather
>> than not feeling that they have time to do proper reviews. Has this been
>> determined yet? Are there any other possible reasons?
>>
>> Finally, a shameless request: please can we get more people reviewing the
>> Bloodhound vote?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gary
>
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Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Gary,
I recommend that you start by politely asking your mentors.
If you, or one of these other projects, don't have enough active
mentors to pass a release vote, I recommend that you recruit more
mentors. One possibility is that one the participants could join the
IPMC; we have voted in people who have demonstrated enough grasp of
the requirements.
I am a pessimist about getting releases reviewed 'in the cloud' of
miscellaneous members of this PMC.
--benson
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> On 18/01/13 11:30, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Christian,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
>>>
>>> Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
>>> You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
>>> you don't miss them.
>>
>> In theory yes. But on the other hand i already have tons of gmail
>> labels (counting asf lists only).
>>
>> There are some [VOTE]s open for a pretty long time. Basically this is
>> the problem i wanted to address.
>
>
> I suspect that [VOTE]s remaining open frustrates a number of incubator
> projects. There currently seem to be 5 ongoing votes at this point which are
> (I think I have these ordered by last response time):
>
> [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release - open 13 days
> [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Test 1.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
> [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Logging 3.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
> [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution - open 5 days
> [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating) - open 5 days
>
> Sorry if I missed any. Two of the above have just started but of the others,
> two took (or are still taking) a fairly long time to get started.
>
> Regarding the original suggestion, a web based tool would only seem to be
> useful if the problem is associated with IPMC members not noticing rather
> than not feeling that they have time to do proper reviews. Has this been
> determined yet? Are there any other possible reasons?
>
> Finally, a shameless request: please can we get more people reviewing the
> Bloodhound vote?
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
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Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 23.01.2013 18:42, Gary Martin wrote:
> Regarding the original suggestion, a web based tool would only seem to
> be useful if the problem is associated with IPMC members not noticing
> rather than not feeling that they have time to do proper reviews.
That's a fair point. Still, I've decided to have a go at generating a
web status page anyway. Should have a prototype ready soon.
> Has this been determined yet? Are there any other possible reasons?
I suppose it's not just time, but lack of interest, too. I admit that I
seldom look at releases from podlings I'm not mentoring.
-- Brane
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Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Gary Martin <ga...@wandisco.com>.
On 18/01/13 11:30, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
>> Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
>> You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
>> you don't miss them.
> In theory yes. But on the other hand i already have tons of gmail
> labels (counting asf lists only).
>
> There are some [VOTE]s open for a pretty long time. Basically this is
> the problem i wanted to address.
I suspect that [VOTE]s remaining open frustrates a number of incubator
projects. There currently seem to be 5 ongoing votes at this point which
are (I think I have these ordered by last response time):
[VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release - open 13 days
[VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Test 1.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
[VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Logging 3.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
[VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution - open 5 days
[VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating) - open 5 days
Sorry if I missed any. Two of the above have just started but of the
others, two took (or are still taking) a fairly long time to get started.
Regarding the original suggestion, a web based tool would only seem to
be useful if the problem is associated with IPMC members not noticing
rather than not feeling that they have time to do proper reviews. Has
this been determined yet? Are there any other possible reasons?
Finally, a shameless request: please can we get more people reviewing
the Bloodhound vote?
Cheers,
Gary
Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
>
> Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
> You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
> you don't miss them.
In theory yes. But on the other hand i already have tons of gmail
labels (counting asf lists only).
There are some [VOTE]s open for a pretty long time. Basically this is
the problem i wanted to address.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: How to make votes more visible?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Christian,
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
you don't miss them.
-Bertrand
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