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[Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Glen,
Was looking at http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
Reasons why:
- Very few people are working on these 3 projects
- Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
- We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
lock step with Axis2 releases.
- IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
Thanks,
dims
--
Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Monday 03 November 2008 11:04:45 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> At the very least we need to move them up from ws-commons...
Agreed. Once(if) Axis2 moves out, promoting them up to direct ws
subprojects, with individual dev/user/commits lists, makes
sense. "commons" would be pretty much a redundant modifier
as "webservices" it self is the collection of "common" ws related stuff.
Dan
> I like the
> DMZ idea :)
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > It seems to me to make sense to keep these shared items in a commons
> > project for now, thought if it was otherwise sitting on the sidewalk
> > holding out a cup, I could make an argument for hosting it in CXF.
> > These guys may all even share a certain set of techological problems
> > involving complex data structures and multiple representations.
> >
> > Were I a member of the ASF, I might be wondering if there is some
> > structural novelty that would make sense for code that is deeply
> > interesting to multiple projects and not that useful by itself. For
> > example, we could have a scheme wherein all CXF and Axis committers
> > were 'ex-officio' committers on XmlSchema. A sort of a DMZ.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> ok. i agree now.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> dims
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >>>> Glen,
> >>>>
> >>>> Was looking at
> >>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
> >>>>
> >>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
> >>>
> >>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
> >>> with Axis 2?
> >>>
> >>>> Reasons why:
> >>>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
> >>>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in
> >>>> Axis2
> >>>
> >>> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
> >>> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious
> >>> question)
> >>>
> >>>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
> >>>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
> >>>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
> >>>
> >>> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
> >>> projects other than Axis2.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Daniel Kulp
> >>> dkulp@apache.org
> >>> http://dankulp.com/blog
> >>
> >> --
> >> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
At the very least we need to move them up from ws-commons...I like the
DMZ idea :)
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me to make sense to keep these shared items in a commons
> project for now, thought if it was otherwise sitting on the sidewalk
> holding out a cup, I could make an argument for hosting it in CXF.
> These guys may all even share a certain set of techological problems
> involving complex data structures and multiple representations.
>
> Were I a member of the ASF, I might be wondering if there is some
> structural novelty that would make sense for code that is deeply
> interesting to multiple projects and not that useful by itself. For
> example, we could have a scheme wherein all CXF and Axis committers
> were 'ex-officio' committers on XmlSchema. A sort of a DMZ.
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ok. i agree now.
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
>>> Axis 2?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reasons why:
>>>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
>>>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
>>>
>>> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
>>> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
>>>
>>>
>>>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
>>>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
>>>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
>>>
>>> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
>>> projects other than Axis2.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> dkulp@apache.org
>>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>
>
--
Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
It seems to me to make sense to keep these shared items in a commons
project for now, thought if it was otherwise sitting on the sidewalk
holding out a cup, I could make an argument for hosting it in CXF.
These guys may all even share a certain set of techological problems
involving complex data structures and multiple representations.
Were I a member of the ASF, I might be wondering if there is some
structural novelty that would make sense for code that is deeply
interesting to multiple projects and not that useful by itself. For
example, we could have a scheme wherein all CXF and Axis committers
were 'ex-officio' committers on XmlSchema. A sort of a DMZ.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok. i agree now.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
>> Axis 2?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Reasons why:
>>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
>>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
>>
>> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
>> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
>>
>>
>>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
>>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
>>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
>>
>> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
>> projects other than Axis2.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> dkulp@apache.org
>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
ok. i agree now.
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
>
>
>>
>> Reasons why:
>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
>
> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
>
>
>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
>
> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
> projects other than Axis2.
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
--
Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Monday 03 November 2008 1:23:13 pm Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> hDaniel Kulp wrote:
> > On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> >> projects? What say you?
> >
> > No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
> >
> > That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to
> > get them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are
> > several outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some
> > votes on some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or
> > Axis2 persons or anyone else to become a committer through the normal
> > means. Unfortunately, that hasn't been working too well lately.
> > Getting the projects promoted a level may help increase some awareness
> > which may help as would looking at the interested people and seeing if
> > they do deserve committership or not.
>
> +1 to both points. Dan, what's your suggestion? What do you think is the
> right answer?
I wish I knew. Maybe if some of the WS committers would spend less time
discussing TLP graduations and more time reviewing patches and proposing
committer votes......... ;-)
Seriously, I think getting Axis2 out to a TLP will help a bit. That would
make the stuff and people that are "left" a bit more focused on the non-axis2
things and we can more accurately gauge what is going on. I actually think
the promotion of transports into ws-commons has actually hindered things a
bit. The flood of commits and messages and stuff related to the transports
has kind of drowned out anything else. That said, the promotion was
probably a good thing long term, just the noise level for the other projects
are a bit higher now. MAYBE having separate dev lists for each of the
sub-projects could help so transport related traffic wouldn't drown out
XmlSchema traffic and such. (and easier to filter on as well) For example,
for CXF, I could care less about any Axiom related stuff (we don't use it) or
the transports, but stuff for XmlSchema and Neethi are interesting to me.
Then again, I'm not a WS committer or PMC member or anything (interested
lurker/observer) and only follow things here "part time" and am not
completely in tune with all the happenings.
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
FOTFAB (Fall on the floor and beg).
Sorry, I got carried away.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL! :)
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>
>>> Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
>>> community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
>>
>> Hey now, don't make me regret my vote, mister! :)
>>
>> --G
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
LOL! :)
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
>> community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
>
> Hey now, don't make me regret my vote, mister! :)
>
> --G
>
--
Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Benson Margulies wrote:
> Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
> community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
Hey now, don't make me regret my vote, mister! :)
--G
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
When I stick my foot in something, I do it with gusto.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
<sa...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> Benson, the vote was started on the 30th and there was a weekend in the
> middle. I agree its not as fast as it could be but that's not an unusual
> time to vote someone in. We have to run background checks, check the
> platforms, check the voting record etc. before giving the +1 you know!
>
> ;-)
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
>> community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
>>> happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> -- dims
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>>>>> projects? What say you?
>>>>
>>>> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules
>>>> apply.
>>>>
>>>> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to
>>>> get
>>>> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are
>>>> several
>>>> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes
>>>> on
>>>> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2
>>>> persons or
>>>> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means.
>>>> Unfortunately,
>>>> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects
>>>> promoted a
>>>> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking
>>>> at the
>>>> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -- dims
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>>>>> TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>>>>>> Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> --Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>>> dkulp@apache.org
>>>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>>
>
>
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
>
> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
>
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
Benson, the vote was started on the 30th and there was a weekend in the
middle. I agree its not as fast as it could be but that's not an unusual
time to vote someone in. We have to run background checks, check the
platforms, check the voting record etc. before giving the +1 you know!
;-)
Sanjiva.
Benson Margulies wrote:
> Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
> community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
>> happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
>> mailing list.
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>>>> projects? What say you?
>>> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>>>
>>> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
>>> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
>>> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
>>> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
>>> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
>>> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
>>> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
>>> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -- dims
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>>>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>>>> TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>>>>> Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> dkulp@apache.org
>>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>
--
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Or lack of a vote :-). The vote may be proving that the commons-ws
community is so anemic that the PMC needs to push the reboot button.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
> happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
> mailing list.
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>>
>> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
>> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
>> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
>> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
>> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
>> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
>> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
>> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>> -- dims
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>>> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> >>> Glen,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Was looking at
>>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>> >>
>>> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> >> with Axis 2?
>>> >
>>> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>>> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > --Glen
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> dkulp@apache.org
>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
VOTE for Benson as a committer.
thanks,
dims
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dims,
>
> Which vote you are talking about? I can't see any voting thread there.
>
> With Mettha,
> Eran Chinthaka
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Health is the greatest gift; contentment is the greatest wealth; trusting is
> the best relationship; nirvana is the highest joy. - Dhammapada
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
>> happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
>> mailing list.
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> >> projects? What say you?
>> >
>> > No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules
>> > apply.
>> >
>> > That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to
>> > get
>> > them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are
>> > several
>> > outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes
>> > on
>> > some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2
>> > persons or
>> > anyone else to become a committer through the normal means.
>> > Unfortunately,
>> > that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects
>> > promoted a
>> > level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking
>> > at the
>> > interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -- dims
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> >> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >> >>> Glen,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Was looking at
>> >> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> with Axis 2?
>> >> >
>> >> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be
>> >> > a
>> >> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>> >> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > --Glen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Daniel Kulp
>> > dkulp@apache.org
>> > http://dankulp.com/blog
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
>>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com>.
Dims,
Which vote you are talking about? I can't see any voting thread there.
With Mettha,
Eran Chinthaka
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
> happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
> mailing list.
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> >> projects? What say you?
> >
> > No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
> >
> > That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to
> get
> > them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are
> several
> > outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes
> on
> > some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2
> persons or
> > anyone else to become a committer through the normal means.
> Unfortunately,
> > that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted
> a
> > level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at
> the
> > interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >> -- dims
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
> >> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> >>> Glen,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Was looking at
> >> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
> >> >>
> >> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to
> do
> >> >> with Axis 2?
> >> >
> >> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
> >> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
> >> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > --Glen
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Kulp
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://dankulp.com/blog
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
mailing list.
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >>> Glen,
>> >>>
>> >>> Was looking at
>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>> >>>
>> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>> >>
>> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> >> with Axis 2?
>> >
>> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --Glen
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Not big enough project, not enough of a community around just that, fits
very tightly with Neethi/XmlSchema, etc...
I think you can go too far with factoring, and for me this trips that
sensor.
--Glen
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Not big enough project, not enough of a community around just that, fits
very tightly with Neethi/XmlSchema, etc...
I think you can go too far with factoring, and for me this trips that
sensor.
--Glen
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Not big enough project, not enough of a community around just that, fits
very tightly with Neethi/XmlSchema, etc...
I think you can go too far with factoring, and for me this trips that
sensor.
--Glen
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
hDaniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
+1 to both points. Dan, what's your suggestion? What do you think is the
right answer?
Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Sanjiva.
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
mailing list.
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >>> Glen,
>> >>>
>> >>> Was looking at
>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>> >>>
>> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>> >>
>> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> >> with Axis 2?
>> >
>> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --Glen
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
hDaniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
+1 to both points. Dan, what's your suggestion? What do you think is the
right answer?
Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Sanjiva.
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Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Right. Hopefully the PMC members will take a look at the VOTE
happening on commons-dev@ when they get a minute off the axis-dev
mailing list.
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> >>> Glen,
>> >>>
>> >>> Was looking at
>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>> >>>
>> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>> >>
>> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> >> with Axis 2?
>> >
>> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
>> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --Glen
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
hDaniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>
> No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
>
> That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
> them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
> outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
> some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
> anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
> that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
> level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
> interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
+1 to both points. Dan, what's your suggestion? What do you think is the
right answer?
Glen, why do you think Axiom as a TLP is not a good idea?
Sanjiva.
--
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Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Monday 03 November 2008 12:46:42 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> projects? What say you?
No. It's still a community and thus the normal meritocracy rules apply.
That said, some of those projects may need a swift kick in the pants to get
them moving again and getting some fresh blood into them. There are several
outstanding patches and requests and such that could warrant some votes on
some new people. It shouldn't be hard for a CXF person or Axis2 persons or
anyone else to become a committer through the normal means. Unfortunately,
that hasn't been working too well lately. Getting the projects promoted a
level may help increase some awareness which may help as would looking at the
interested people and seeing if they do deserve committership or not.
Dan
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> > Daniel Kulp wrote:
> >> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >>> Glen,
> >>>
> >>> Was looking at
> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
> >>
> >> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
> >> with Axis 2?
> >
> > Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
> > TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
> > Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --Glen
--
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dkulp@apache.org
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
As simple as Just send a note to private@ws and you will get it... +100
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
As simple as Just send a note to private@ws and you will get it... +100
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Ruchith Fernando <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
+1
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
Yeah ... if someone really needs to do a lot of work on these .... we
can handle those
appropriately at that point right? Otherwise anyway our usual way of
getting changes in
still works!
Thanks,
Ruchith
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Ruchith Fernando <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
+1
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
Yeah ... if someone really needs to do a lot of work on these .... we
can handle those
appropriately at that point right? Otherwise anyway our usual way of
getting changes in
still works!
Thanks,
Ruchith
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
As simple as Just send a note to private@ws and you will get it... +100
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Ruchith Fernando <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every Synapse/CXF
> (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no. But I do think
+1
> the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot lower (pretty much if
> they ask - but I do think there should be a formal separation).
Yeah ... if someone really needs to do a lot of work on these .... we
can handle those
appropriately at that point right? Otherwise anyway our usual way of
getting changes in
still works!
Thanks,
Ruchith
>
> What do you think?
>
> --Glen
>
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
>> projects? What say you?
>>
>> -- dims
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was looking at
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>>> with Axis 2?
>>>
>>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
>>> TLP,
>>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every
Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no.
But I do think the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot
lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal
separation).
What do you think?
--Glen
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> projects? What say you?
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Glen
>>
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every
Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no.
But I do think the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot
lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal
separation).
What do you think?
--Glen
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> projects? What say you?
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Glen
>>
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
I don't think that we should AUTOMATICALLY grant access to every
Synapse/CXF (or Axis2 for that matter, into the future) committer, no.
But I do think the barrier to entry for those folks should be a lot
lower (pretty much if they ask - but I do think there should be a formal
separation).
What do you think?
--Glen
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
> projects? What say you?
>
> -- dims
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
>> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
>> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Glen
>>
>
>
>
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
projects? What say you?
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> with Axis 2?
>
> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>
> Thanks,
> --Glen
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eran,
>
> You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki.
> Yes, Axiom is not moving.
thanks Dims :).
My point is Axiom *should* move, if we are moving.
Thanks,
Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eran,
>
> You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki.
> Yes, Axiom is not moving.
thanks Dims :).
My point is Axiom *should* move, if we are moving.
Thanks,
Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Eran,
You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki.
Yes, Axiom is not moving.
-- dims
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>
> This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
> components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
> Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
> Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
>
> So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
> one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
>
> There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
> project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
>
> 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
> needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
> move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
> object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
> from Axiom.
> Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
> implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
>
> 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
> Axis2, because
> i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
> ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
> if I'm wrong)
>
> If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
> Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
> is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
> (as I think) to work with Axis2.
> if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
> Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
>
> I am seriously missing something somewhere.
>
> Thanks,
> Chinthaka
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Eran,
You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki.
Yes, Axiom is not moving.
-- dims
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>
> This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
> components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
> Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
> Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
>
> So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
> one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
>
> There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
> project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
>
> 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
> needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
> move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
> object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
> from Axiom.
> Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
> implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
>
> 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
> Axis2, because
> i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
> ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
> if I'm wrong)
>
> If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
> Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
> is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
> (as I think) to work with Axis2.
> if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
> Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
>
> I am seriously missing something somewhere.
>
> Thanks,
> Chinthaka
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Eran,
You are falling behind :) Yes, please see latest TLP proposal on wiki.
Yes, Axiom is not moving.
-- dims
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Glen,
>>>>
>>>> Was looking at
>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>
> This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
> components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
> Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
> Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
>
> So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
> one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
>
> There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
> project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
>
> 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
> needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
> move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
> object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
> from Axiom.
> Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
> implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
>
> 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
> Axis2, because
> i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
> ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
> if I'm wrong)
>
> If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
> Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
> is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
> (as I think) to work with Axis2.
> if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
> Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
>
> I am seriously missing something somewhere.
>
> Thanks,
> Chinthaka
>
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Hi Chinthaka:
Eran Chinthaka wrote:
>>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>>
>>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>>> with Axis 2?
>
> This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
> components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
> Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
> Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
It is not a must, no, which is why we're having this conversation. :)
However, the goal of this whole discussion is to reorganize things to
enable a) smaller, more focused PMCs, and b) better sharing of
components. If we just s/WS/Axis2/ and leave everything in one project,
then it's not really a worthwhile refactor, IMO. I also don't think we
should pull every individual component out into its own project -
modularity is an art not a science.
> So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
> one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
So we should move StAX and Activation and Servlet into Axis2 also, then?
I don't think this logic holds.
> There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
> project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
>
> 1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
> needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
> move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
> object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
> from Axiom.
> Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
> implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
Axiom's SOAP implementation is in no way tied to Axis2, and could be
used by any SOAP processor... no? I'm actually fine with the idea of
refactoring the SOAP part out into a separate jar, but I still think it
should live in WS/Axiom, not in Axis2.
> 2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
> Axis2, because
> i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
> ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
> if I'm wrong)
>
> If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
> Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
> is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
> (as I think) to work with Axis2.
> if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
> Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
>
> I am seriously missing something somewhere.
No argument from me there. :) Those last couple of paragraphs were crazy!
Seriously though, the decision of where Poloka graduates will happen at
the appropriate time, and should depend on what the project looks like
at that point. If it's purely an Axis2 module, then IMO it should
absolutely go under Axis2. If it's a reusable framework for event
brokering that gets used by several projects (ServiceMix, etc), then it
should either go into WS (to be shared) or its own TLP if it's big enough.
The basic idea here is to avoid giant umbrella PMCs, focus communities
and effort, and make it easier to share work amongst multiple projects.
So your take on things is basically "it's not worth the bother",
Chinthaka? I can respect that, although I don't agree with it.
Thanks,
--Glen
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> with Axis 2?
>>
>
This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
from Axiom.
Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
Axis2, because
i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
if I'm wrong)
If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
(as I think) to work with Axis2.
if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
I am seriously missing something somewhere.
Thanks,
Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
projects? What say you?
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> with Axis 2?
>
> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>
> Thanks,
> --Glen
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
So, should all synapse and cxf folks have access to all these
projects? What say you?
-- dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>>
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> with Axis 2?
>
> Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a TLP,
> and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web Services"
> components with a shared committer-base working on them.
>
> Thanks,
> --Glen
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Eran Chinthaka <er...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>>> Glen,
>>>
>>> Was looking at
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>>>
>>
>> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do
>> with Axis 2?
>>
>
This is not a good argument, at least for me. We are using lots of
components, like mail implementation from Geronimo project. But are they on
Geronimo commons? Aren't we accessing them, even when they are within
Geronimo? Is it a must to have them separate?
So whats the problem of moving Axiom, Neethi also in to Axis2 project. As
one said, a change in Axiom might most probably affect Axis2 as well.
There are two more reasons I have *for* moving Axiom also in to Axis2
project *if* Axis2 becomes a TLP.
1. Axiom has a SOAP implementation which was done because of Axis2. If one
needs to leave Axiom inside WS, during this movement, then some one please
move the SOAP part out of Axiom. If the argument is Axiom is a pure XML
object model so that others can use it, then please move out the SOAP part
from Axiom.
Please note that I'm not saying anything bad about Axiom having a SOAP
implementation. We did it because we targeted Axiom for Axis2.
2. In another thread, it was suggested to make POLOKA a sub-project of
Axis2, because
i) it *will* have Axis2 compatible eventing implementation
ii) and (may be) it is Web service based implementation. (please correct me
if I'm wrong)
If the argument for leaving some projects within WS project, and taking with
Axis2 is about Axis2 dependencies, then why should we move Poloka (when it
is graduated) in to Axis2. Its just another project, which has a *plugin*
(as I think) to work with Axis2.
if this is the case, then I will argue that Synapse also should come under
Axis2. Abdera should come in to Axiom.
I am seriously missing something somewhere.
Thanks,
Chinthaka
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Daniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
Thanks,
--Glen
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Daniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
Thanks,
--Glen
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>.
Daniel Kulp wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
Exactly. I do NOT think (re: the other thread) that Axiom should be a
TLP, and I do think that all of these libraries make sense as "Web
Services" components with a shared committer-base working on them.
Thanks,
--Glen
Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
ok. i agree now.
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
>
>
>>
>> Reasons why:
>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
>
> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
>
>
>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
>
> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
> projects other than Axis2.
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
ok. i agree now.
thanks,
dims
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> Glen,
>>
>> Was looking at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>>
>> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
>
> Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
> Axis 2?
>
>
>>
>> Reasons why:
>> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
>> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
>
> As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
> ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
>
>
>> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
>> lock step with Axis2 releases.
>> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
>
> No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
> projects other than Axis2.
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
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Re: [Axis2] Add XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom to TLP Proposal
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Monday 03 November 2008 10:14:30 am Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Glen,
>
> Was looking at
> http://wiki.apache.org/ws/FrontPage/Proposals/Axis2TLPProposal
>
> Any thoughts on why leave behind XmlSchema, Neethi, Axiom?
Because they are used by several other projects that have nothing to do with
Axis 2?
>
> Reasons why:
> - Very few people are working on these 3 projects
> - Any changes to these 3 projects needs almost immediate changes in Axis2
As well as CXF, ServiceMix, etc... Maybe they should go into CXF or
ServiceMix instead? (that was just to make a point, not a serious question)
> - We have almost always synced up the releases of these 3 projects
> lock step with Axis2 releases.
> - IMHO, they can't survive as a TLP right at this moment.
No, but keeping them in "ws commons" makes sense since they are used by
projects other than Axis2.
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog