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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> on 2014/11/01 00:07:38 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
All,
I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this discussion
forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away from the couch
with the human figure on it, and go with a top view of a circular, or
conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I tried to stay true to the
current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of course
this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
Regards,
-- Nick Pavlica
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's not
> a developer-related issue.
>
> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please post
> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official announcement
> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>
> Jan,
>
> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well
>
> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not
> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am
> still -1 in changing the name
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded
> MUAs
> > :/
> >
> >
> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was replying to this thread:
> > >
> > > Andy:
> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
> whatever
> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
> > rename
> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> > >
> > > Noah:
> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> > >
> > > Andy:
> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the
> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who
> > think
> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name
> > and
> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> > >
> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> > >>
> > >> Best
> > >> Jan
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> No, because of the name.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no
> signs
> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming
> up
> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best
> > >>>> Jan
> > >>>> --
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see
> > the
> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML
> > who think
> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the
> > name and
> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
> > whatever
> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> > with a
> > >>>>>>> rename
> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an
> > arbitrary
> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But it
> > is worth
> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do it,
> > if it
> > >>>>>>> is to
> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> > nslater@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf.
> > Max
> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked"
> into
> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy
> > >>>>>>> references)
> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do
> > you
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from
> > the
> > >>>>>>>>> current
> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the
> > last
> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> blue....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014
> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> > <nslater@apache
> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
> > 12:52 AM,
> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> > nslater@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name
> > too.
> > >>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. It's
> > >>>>>>>>> important
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and
> > changing it
> > >>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done we
> > will
> > >>>>>>> all
> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that
> > strength
> > >>>>>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get tons
> > of
> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already
> > isn't
> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding
> > baggage and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
> 9588
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Noah Slater
> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Noah Slater
> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
> On 04 Nov 2014, at 15:59 , Brad Noble <br...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Would advocate for the sync idea to lead, and let the couch be a subtle thing in the mark (like the arrow in the FedEx logo).
>
> For example, there's a couch hiding in here, but the lead is sync:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nqptqjrupj54no/2014-11-04%2009.54.55.jpg?dl=0
>
> How much the couch hides would be fun to explore.
I do like this angle :)
>
> - Brad
>
>
>
> Noah Slater ---11/04/2014 09:49:00 AM---I really like this idea of two couches meeting, as if the "sync" is something that's going on betwee
>
> From: Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <de...@couchdb.apache.org>, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
> Date: 11/04/2014 09:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>
>
>
> I really like this idea of two couches meeting, as if the "sync" is
> something that's going on between two humans sitting on couches that
> face each other. I think that's a great concept to explore. Thanks!
>
> On 2 November 2014 22:03, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I'm in line with Andy on the blue, probably not good messaging.
> >
> > Green is PouchDB's colour so best to let them use that, too.
> >
> > Red, dark red, orange are fine by me.
> >
> > I also agree that the last row is the best, I don't like the "ouchDB"
> > that people might read if they don't know that the semicircular thing is
> > a C.
> >
> > Short story: Many years ago I worked for Soma Networks. Their first logo
> > was a perfect circle with two sorta offset symbols on top of it. They
> > used to position the logo to the left of the Soma Networks text.
> >
> > http://www.huntingtonventures.com/images/logos/soma.gif
> >
> > TSA started stopping our employees at the US border who were wearing
> > shirts/jackets with the logo: "Wait, you work for OSAMA NETWORKS?" >_<
> >
> > After that, the logo was moved directly above the Soma Networks text
> > so all confusion was removed...at great expense to reprint everything...
> >
> > -Joan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:51:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is
> > what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write
> > below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal view
> > and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work!
> >
> > I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply
> > read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go.
> >
> > The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It is
> > definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row):
> >
> > * sorry I don't like green ;-)
> > * orange is not strong enough as a colour
> > * blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by
> > Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/).
> > * red ... is what I like
> > * dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much
> >
> > The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems
> > like:
> >
> > * it's Cloudant's colour
> > * Cloudant does now belong to IBM
> > * IBM is blue
> > * ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource
> > Project?
> > * ... ähm ... nope!
> >
> > I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old
> > one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ...
> >
> > Thanks a lot and Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> OuchDB! You made it (:
> >> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
> >> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
> >> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
> >> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
> >> --
> >> ,,,^..^,,,
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
> >> > Hi Nick,
> >> >
> >> > These look great.
> >> >
> >> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current
> >> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
> >> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hey Nick,
> >> >>
> >> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
> >> >> you share it via link?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a
> >> link to the attachment in Dropbox:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
> >> >
> >> > -- Nick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >>
> >> >> Andy
> >> >>
> >> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > All,
> >> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
> >> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
> >> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
> >> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
> >> >> > tried to stay true to
> >> >> the
> >> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
> >> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- Nick Pavlica
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
> >> >> >> it's
> >> >> not
> >> >> >> a developer-related issue.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> >> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
> >> >> >> please
> >> >> post
> >> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
> >> >> announcement
> >> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -Joan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jan,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> well
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> not
> >> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
> >> >> >> but
> >> >> am
> >> >> >> still -1 in changing the name
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cheers
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Andy
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
> >> >> >> > non-threaded
> >> >> >> MUAs
> >> >> >> > :/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
> >> >> >> > >> my
> >> >> >> whatever
> >> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> >> >> >> > > with a
> >> >> >> > rename
> >> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Noah:
> >> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
> >> >> >> > >> see
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
> >> >> >> > > ML
> >> >> who
> >> >> >> > think
> >> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> name
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Best
> >> >> >> > >> Jan
> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
> >> >> >> > >>>>> shows no
> >> >> >> signs
> >> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
> >> >> >> coming up
> >> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>> Best
> >> >> >> > >>>> Jan
> >> >> >> > >>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly
> >> >> see
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> the
> >> >> ML
> >> >> >> > who think
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> keep
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > name and
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give
> >> >> my
> >> >> >> > whatever
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
> >> >> >> > with a
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
> >> >> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
> >> >> an
> >> >> >> > arbitrary
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> > is worth
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
> >> >> >> it,
> >> >> >> > if it
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
> >> >> (cf.
> >> >> >> > Max
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> >> >> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already
> >> "cooked"
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >> >> copy
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> references)
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
> >> >> do
> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> want
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > last
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> >> >> >> blue....
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
> >> >> ---10/30/2014
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > <nslater@apache
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
> >> >> >> > 12:52 AM,
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> >> >> But
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >> >> name
> >> >> >> > too.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> I
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the
> >> time.
> >> >> >> It's
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >> >> > changing it
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> in
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >> >> we
> >> >> >> > will
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> all
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >> that
> >> >> >> > strength
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >> >> >> tons
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
> >> >> already
> >> >> >> > isn't
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
> >> >> >> > baggage and
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> >> 9588
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> >> 9588
> >> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>>> --
> >> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> >> > >>> --
> >> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > --
> >> >> >> > > Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Andy Wenk
> >> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> >> RockIt!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andy Wenk
> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> RockIt!
> >> >>
> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >> >>
> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andy Wenk
> > Hamburg - Germany
> > RockIt!
> >
> > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >
> > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Brad Noble <br...@us.ibm.com>.
Would advocate for the sync idea to lead, and let the couch be a subtle
thing in the mark (like the arrow in the FedEx logo).
For example, there's a couch hiding in here, but the lead is sync:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nqptqjrupj54no/2014-11-04%2009.54.55.jpg?dl=0
How much the couch hides would be fun to explore.
- Brad
From: Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <de...@couchdb.apache.org>, Joan Touzet
<wo...@apache.org>
Date: 11/04/2014 09:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
I really like this idea of two couches meeting, as if the "sync" is
something that's going on between two humans sitting on couches that
face each other. I think that's a great concept to explore. Thanks!
On 2 November 2014 22:03, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm in line with Andy on the blue, probably not good messaging.
>
> Green is PouchDB's colour so best to let them use that, too.
>
> Red, dark red, orange are fine by me.
>
> I also agree that the last row is the best, I don't like the "ouchDB"
> that people might read if they don't know that the semicircular thing is
> a C.
>
> Short story: Many years ago I worked for Soma Networks. Their first logo
> was a perfect circle with two sorta offset symbols on top of it. They
> used to position the logo to the left of the Soma Networks text.
>
> http://www.huntingtonventures.com/images/logos/soma.gif
>
> TSA started stopping our employees at the US border who were wearing
> shirts/jackets with the logo: "Wait, you work for OSAMA NETWORKS?" >_<
>
> After that, the logo was moved directly above the Soma Networks text
> so all confusion was removed...at great expense to reprint everything...
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:51:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>
> Nick,
>
> thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is
> what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write
> below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal
view
> and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work!
>
> I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply
> read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go.
>
> The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It
is
> definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row):
>
> * sorry I don't like green ;-)
> * orange is not strong enough as a colour
> * blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by
> Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/).
> * red ... is what I like
> * dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much
>
> The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems
> like:
>
> * it's Cloudant's colour
> * Cloudant does now belong to IBM
> * IBM is blue
> * ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource
> Project?
> * ... ähm ... nope!
>
> I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old
> one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ...
>
> Thanks a lot and Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OuchDB! You made it (:
>> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
>> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
>> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
>> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
>> --
>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
>> > Hi Nick,
>> >
>> > These look great.
>> >
>> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current
>> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
>> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey Nick,
>> >>
>> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
>> >> you share it via link?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is
a
>> link to the attachment in Dropbox:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
>> >
>> > -- Nick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >>
>> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > All,
>> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
>> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get
away
>> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
>> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
>> >> > tried to stay true to
>> >> the
>> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
>> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your
feedback.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Nick Pavlica
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
>> >> >> it's
>> >> not
>> >> >> a developer-related issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
>> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
>> >> >> please
>> >> post
>> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
>> >> announcement
>> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Joan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
>> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jan,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
>> >> >> as
>> >> well
>> >> >>
>> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
>> >> >> was
>> >> not
>> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
>> >> >> but
>> >> am
>> >> >> still -1 in changing the name
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Andy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
>> >> >> > non-threaded
>> >> >> MUAs
>> >> >> > :/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Andy:
>> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
>> >> >> > >> my
>> >> >> whatever
>> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
>> >> >> > > with a
>> >> >> > rename
>> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Noah:
>> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Andy:
>> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
>> >> >> > >> see
>> >> the
>> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
>> >> >> > > ML
>> >> who
>> >> >> > think
>> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the
name.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Best
>> >> >> > >> Jan
>> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>
wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater
<ns...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
>> >> >> > >>>>> shows no
>> >> >> signs
>> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is
constantly
>> >> >> coming up
>> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>> Best
>> >> >> > >>>> Jan
>> >> >> > >>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater
<ns...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase,
basically.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
>> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly
>> >> see
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people
on
>> >> >> > >>>>>> the
>> >> ML
>> >> >> > who think
>> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
>> >> >> > >>>>>> keep
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > name and
>> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk
<an...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give
>> >> my
>> >> >> > whatever
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
>> >> >> > with a
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative
aspects ...
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
>> >> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just
stake
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
>> >> an
>> >> >> > arbitrary
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> > is worth
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
>> >> >> it,
>> >> >> > if it
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
>> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while
now.
>> >> (cf.
>> >> >> > Max
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
>> >> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already
>> "cooked"
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
>> >> copy
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> references)
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
>> >> do
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> want
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
>> >> from
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo
however.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > last
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red
or
>> >> >> blue....
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
>> >> ---10/30/2014
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
>> >> >> > <nslater@apache
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
>> >> >> > 12:52 AM,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>> >> But
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
>> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> > too.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the
>> time.
>> >> >> It's
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >> > changing it
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> in
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
>> >> we
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> all
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> that
>> >> >> > strength
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> >> >> tons
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
>> >> already
>> >> >> > isn't
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
>> >> >> > baggage and
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D
6BE3
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> >> 9588
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
>> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> >> 9588
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> --
>> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > > Noah Slater
>> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> RockIt!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andy Wenk
>> >> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> RockIt!
>> >>
>> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> >>
>> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I really like this idea of two couches meeting, as if the "sync" is
something that's going on between two humans sitting on couches that
face each other. I think that's a great concept to explore. Thanks!
On 2 November 2014 22:03, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm in line with Andy on the blue, probably not good messaging.
>
> Green is PouchDB's colour so best to let them use that, too.
>
> Red, dark red, orange are fine by me.
>
> I also agree that the last row is the best, I don't like the "ouchDB"
> that people might read if they don't know that the semicircular thing is
> a C.
>
> Short story: Many years ago I worked for Soma Networks. Their first logo
> was a perfect circle with two sorta offset symbols on top of it. They
> used to position the logo to the left of the Soma Networks text.
>
> http://www.huntingtonventures.com/images/logos/soma.gif
>
> TSA started stopping our employees at the US border who were wearing
> shirts/jackets with the logo: "Wait, you work for OSAMA NETWORKS?" >_<
>
> After that, the logo was moved directly above the Soma Networks text
> so all confusion was removed...at great expense to reprint everything...
>
> -Joan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:51:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>
> Nick,
>
> thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is
> what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write
> below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal view
> and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work!
>
> I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply
> read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go.
>
> The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It is
> definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row):
>
> * sorry I don't like green ;-)
> * orange is not strong enough as a colour
> * blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by
> Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/).
> * red ... is what I like
> * dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much
>
> The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems
> like:
>
> * it's Cloudant's colour
> * Cloudant does now belong to IBM
> * IBM is blue
> * ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource
> Project?
> * ... ähm ... nope!
>
> I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old
> one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ...
>
> Thanks a lot and Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OuchDB! You made it (:
>> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
>> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
>> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
>> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
>> --
>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
>> > Hi Nick,
>> >
>> > These look great.
>> >
>> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current
>> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
>> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey Nick,
>> >>
>> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
>> >> you share it via link?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a
>> link to the attachment in Dropbox:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
>> >
>> > -- Nick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >>
>> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > All,
>> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
>> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
>> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
>> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
>> >> > tried to stay true to
>> >> the
>> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
>> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Nick Pavlica
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
>> >> >> it's
>> >> not
>> >> >> a developer-related issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
>> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
>> >> >> please
>> >> post
>> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
>> >> announcement
>> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Joan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
>> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jan,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
>> >> >> as
>> >> well
>> >> >>
>> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
>> >> >> was
>> >> not
>> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
>> >> >> but
>> >> am
>> >> >> still -1 in changing the name
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Andy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
>> >> >> > non-threaded
>> >> >> MUAs
>> >> >> > :/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Andy:
>> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
>> >> >> > >> my
>> >> >> whatever
>> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
>> >> >> > > with a
>> >> >> > rename
>> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Noah:
>> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Andy:
>> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
>> >> >> > >> see
>> >> the
>> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
>> >> >> > > ML
>> >> who
>> >> >> > think
>> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Best
>> >> >> > >> Jan
>> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
>> >> >> > >>>>> shows no
>> >> >> signs
>> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
>> >> >> coming up
>> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>> Best
>> >> >> > >>>> Jan
>> >> >> > >>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
>> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly
>> >> see
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
>> >> >> > >>>>>> the
>> >> ML
>> >> >> > who think
>> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
>> >> >> > >>>>>> keep
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > name and
>> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give
>> >> my
>> >> >> > whatever
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
>> >> >> > with a
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
>> >> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
>> >> an
>> >> >> > arbitrary
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> > is worth
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
>> >> >> it,
>> >> >> > if it
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
>> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
>> >> (cf.
>> >> >> > Max
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
>> >> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already
>> "cooked"
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
>> >> copy
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> references)
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
>> >> do
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> want
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
>> >> from
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > last
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
>> >> >> blue....
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
>> >> ---10/30/2014
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
>> >> >> > <nslater@apache
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
>> >> >> > 12:52 AM,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>> >> But
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
>> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >> name
>> >> >> > too.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> I
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the
>> time.
>> >> >> It's
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >> > changing it
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> in
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
>> >> we
>> >> >> > will
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> all
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> that
>> >> >> > strength
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> >> >> tons
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
>> >> already
>> >> >> > isn't
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
>> >> >> > baggage and
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> >> 9588
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
>> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> >> 9588
>> >> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >> > >>>>> --
>> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>>
>> >> >> > >>> --
>> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater
>> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > > Noah Slater
>> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Andy Wenk
>> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> >> RockIt!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andy Wenk
>> >> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> RockIt!
>> >>
>> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> >>
>> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
I'm in line with Andy on the blue, probably not good messaging.
Green is PouchDB's colour so best to let them use that, too.
Red, dark red, orange are fine by me.
I also agree that the last row is the best, I don't like the "ouchDB"
that people might read if they don't know that the semicircular thing is
a C.
Short story: Many years ago I worked for Soma Networks. Their first logo
was a perfect circle with two sorta offset symbols on top of it. They
used to position the logo to the left of the Soma Networks text.
http://www.huntingtonventures.com/images/logos/soma.gif
TSA started stopping our employees at the US border who were wearing
shirts/jackets with the logo: "Wait, you work for OSAMA NETWORKS?" >_<
After that, the logo was moved directly above the Soma Networks text
so all confusion was removed...at great expense to reprint everything...
-Joan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 3:51:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Nick,
thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is
what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write
below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal view
and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work!
I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply
read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go.
The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It is
definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row):
* sorry I don't like green ;-)
* orange is not strong enough as a colour
* blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by
Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/).
* red ... is what I like
* dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much
The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems
like:
* it's Cloudant's colour
* Cloudant does now belong to IBM
* IBM is blue
* ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource
Project?
* ... ähm ... nope!
I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old
one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ...
Thanks a lot and Cheers
Andy
On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OuchDB! You made it (:
> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > These look great.
> >
> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current
> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >> Hey Nick,
> >>
> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
> >> you share it via link?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a
> link to the attachment in Dropbox:
> >
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
> >
> > -- Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > All,
> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
> >> > tried to stay true to
> >> the
> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > -- Nick Pavlica
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
> >> >> it's
> >> not
> >> >> a developer-related issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
> >> >> please
> >> post
> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
> >> announcement
> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Joan
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >>
> >> >> Jan,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
> >> >> as
> >> well
> >> >>
> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
> >> >> was
> >> not
> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
> >> >> but
> >> am
> >> >> still -1 in changing the name
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >>
> >> >> Andy
> >> >>
> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
> >> >> > non-threaded
> >> >> MUAs
> >> >> > :/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
> >> >> > >> my
> >> >> whatever
> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> >> >> > > with a
> >> >> > rename
> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Noah:
> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
> >> >> > >> see
> >> the
> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
> >> >> > > ML
> >> who
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> name
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Best
> >> >> > >> Jan
> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
> >> >> > >>>>> shows no
> >> >> signs
> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
> >> >> coming up
> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> Best
> >> >> > >>>> Jan
> >> >> > >>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly
> >> see
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
> >> >> > >>>>>> the
> >> ML
> >> >> > who think
> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
> >> >> > >>>>>> keep
> >> >> the
> >> >> > name and
> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give
> >> my
> >> >> > whatever
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
> >> >> > with a
> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
> >> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
> >> an
> >> >> > arbitrary
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
> >> >> it
> >> >> > is worth
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
> >> >> it,
> >> >> > if it
> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
> >> (cf.
> >> >> > Max
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> >> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already
> "cooked"
> >> >> into
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >> copy
> >> >> > >>>>>>> references)
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
> >> do
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > >>>>>>> want
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
> >> from
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
> >> >> the
> >> >> > last
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> >> >> blue....
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
> >> ---10/30/2014
> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> >> >> > <nslater@apache
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
> >> >> > 12:52 AM,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> >> But
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >> name
> >> >> > too.
> >> >> > >>>>>>> I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the
> time.
> >> >> It's
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >> > changing it
> >> >> > >>>>>>> in
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >> we
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > >>>>>>> all
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> that
> >> >> > strength
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >> >> tons
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
> >> already
> >> >> > isn't
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
> >> >> > baggage and
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> 9588
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> 9588
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> --
> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Noah Slater
> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andy Wenk
> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> RockIt!
> >> >>
> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >> >>
> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Wenk
> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> RockIt!
> >>
> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >>
> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>
> >
>
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
Nick,
thanks 1000 times for taking the action and create these ideas. This is
what we need to find a route to a "maybe" new logo. Everything I write
below is very direct and I ask you very much to take it as my personal view
and as constructive criticism. Again - I highly appreciate your work!
I have to admit, that I don't like the first and second ideas. I simply
read OuchDB (Alex mentioned it before). Imho it's a no go.
The third line is a better idea but is not better that what we have. It is
definitely very modern. Some words to the colours (last row):
* sorry I don't like green ;-)
* orange is not strong enough as a colour
* blue is cool but is Cloudant's main colour an also used heavily by
Couchbase (http://www.couchbase.com/).
* red ... is what I like
* dark red and red is ... hm ... dunno - I don't like it too much
The only colours I like is blue and red. But blue can have some problems
like:
* it's Cloudant's colour
* Cloudant does now belong to IBM
* IBM is blue
* ah - CouchDB is also blue now - maybe they are now a IBM OpenSource
Project?
* ... ähm ... nope!
I think that IF we create a new logo, we should keep a "link" to the old
one in some way. I am afraid I don't see this here ...
Thanks a lot and Cheers
Andy
On 1 November 2014 10:09, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OuchDB! You made it (:
> Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
> curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
> data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
> environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
> > Hi Nick,
> >
> > These look great.
> >
> > I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current
> colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >> Hey Nick,
> >>
> >> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
> >> you share it via link?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a
> link to the attachment in Dropbox:
> >
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
> >
> > -- Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > All,
> >> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
> >> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
> >> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
> >> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
> >> > tried to stay true to
> >> the
> >> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
> >> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > -- Nick Pavlica
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
> >> >> it's
> >> not
> >> >> a developer-related issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> >> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
> >> >> please
> >> post
> >> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
> >> announcement
> >> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Joan
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >>
> >> >> Jan,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
> >> >> as
> >> well
> >> >>
> >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
> >> >> was
> >> not
> >> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
> >> >> but
> >> am
> >> >> still -1 in changing the name
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >>
> >> >> Andy
> >> >>
> >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
> >> >> > non-threaded
> >> >> MUAs
> >> >> > :/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
> >> >> > >> my
> >> >> whatever
> >> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> >> >> > > with a
> >> >> > rename
> >> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Noah:
> >> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andy:
> >> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
> >> >> > >> see
> >> the
> >> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
> >> >> > > ML
> >> who
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> name
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Best
> >> >> > >> Jan
> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
> >> >> > >>>>> shows no
> >> >> signs
> >> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
> >> >> coming up
> >> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>> Best
> >> >> > >>>> Jan
> >> >> > >>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
> >> >> > >>>>>> clearly
> >> see
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
> >> >> > >>>>>> the
> >> ML
> >> >> > who think
> >> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
> >> >> > >>>>>> keep
> >> >> the
> >> >> > name and
> >> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> give
> >> my
> >> >> > whatever
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
> >> >> > with a
> >> >> > >>>>>>> rename
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
> >> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
> >> an
> >> >> > arbitrary
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
> >> >> it
> >> >> > is worth
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
> >> >> it,
> >> >> > if it
> >> >> > >>>>>>> is to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
> >> (cf.
> >> >> > Max
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> >> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already
> "cooked"
> >> >> into
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >> copy
> >> >> > >>>>>>> references)
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
> >> do
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > >>>>>>> want
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
> >> from
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
> >> >> the
> >> >> > last
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> >> >> blue....
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
> >> ---10/30/2014
> >> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> >> >> > <nslater@apache
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
> >> >> > 12:52 AM,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> >> But
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> >> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >> name
> >> >> > too.
> >> >> > >>>>>>> I
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the
> time.
> >> >> It's
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >> > changing it
> >> >> > >>>>>>> in
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >> we
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > >>>>>>> all
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> that
> >> >> > strength
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >> >> tons
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
> >> already
> >> >> > isn't
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
> >> >> > baggage and
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> 9588
> >> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
> >> >> 9588
> >> >> > >>>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> --
> >> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> --
> >> >> > >>> Noah Slater
> >> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Noah Slater
> >> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andy Wenk
> >> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> >> RockIt!
> >> >>
> >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >> >>
> >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Wenk
> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> RockIt!
> >>
> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >>
> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>
> >
>
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>.
OuchDB! You made it (:
Circular designs are really nice: they have the project name, two
curved couches directed to each other suggests party communication /
data replication and multiple colours allows to fit it surrounding
environment better. Though we're seems going to drop Relax moto...
--
,,,^..^,,,
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <ju...@villageonline.info> wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> These look great.
>
> I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
> Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>
> All,
>
>
>> Hey Nick,
>>
>> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
>> you share it via link?
>>
>
>
> Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a link to the attachment in Dropbox:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
>
> -- Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > All,
>> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
>> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
>> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
>> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
>> > tried to stay true to
>> the
>> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
>> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -- Nick Pavlica
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
>> >> it's
>> not
>> >> a developer-related issue.
>> >>
>> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
>> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
>> >> please
>> post
>> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
>> announcement
>> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>> >>
>> >> -Joan
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
>> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >>
>> >> Jan,
>> >>
>> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
>> >> as
>> well
>> >>
>> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
>> >> was
>> not
>> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
>> >> but
>> am
>> >> still -1 in changing the name
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >>
>> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
>> >> > non-threaded
>> >> MUAs
>> >> > :/
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Andy:
>> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
>> >> > >> my
>> >> whatever
>> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
>> >> > > with a
>> >> > rename
>> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Noah:
>> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Andy:
>> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
>> >> > >> see
>> the
>> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
>> >> > > ML
>> who
>> >> > think
>> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
>> >> > > the
>> >> name
>> >> > and
>> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Best
>> >> > >> Jan
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
>> >> > >>>>> shows no
>> >> signs
>> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
>> >> coming up
>> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>> Best
>> >> > >>>> Jan
>> >> > >>>> --
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
>> >> > >>>>>> clearly
>> see
>> >> > the
>> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
>> >> > >>>>>> the
>> ML
>> >> > who think
>> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
>> >> > >>>>>> keep
>> >> the
>> >> > name and
>> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
>> >> > >>>>>>>> give
>> my
>> >> > whatever
>> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
>> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
>> >> > with a
>> >> > >>>>>>> rename
>> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
>> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
>> an
>> >> > arbitrary
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
>> >> it
>> >> > is worth
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
>> >> it,
>> >> > if it
>> >> > >>>>>>> is to
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
>> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
>> (cf.
>> >> > Max
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
>> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked"
>> >> into
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
>> copy
>> >> > >>>>>>> references)
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
>> do
>> >> > you
>> >> > >>>>>>> want
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
>> from
>> >> > the
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
>> >> the
>> >> > last
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
>> >> blue....
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
>> ---10/30/2014
>> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
>> >> > <nslater@apache
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
>> >> > 12:52 AM,
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>> But
>> >> the
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
>> >> > nslater@apache.org>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> name
>> >> > too.
>> >> > >>>>>>> I
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time.
>> >> It's
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> > changing it
>> >> > >>>>>>> in
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
>> we
>> >> > will
>> >> > >>>>>>> all
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> that
>> >> > strength
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> >> tons
>> >> > of
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
>> already
>> >> > isn't
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
>> >> > baggage and
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
>> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> 9588
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> > >>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
>> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
>> >> 9588
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> --
>> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
>> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> --
>> >> > >>> Noah Slater
>> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Noah Slater
>> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andy Wenk
>> >> Hamburg - Germany
>> >> RockIt!
>> >>
>> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>> >>
>> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>>
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>
>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by ju...@villageonline.info.
Hi Nick,
These look great.
I like the circular designs - how would these look with the current colours (ie Reds, white and black) ?
Thanks,
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Pavlica [mailto:linicks@gmail.com]
Sent: 31 October 2014 23:49
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org; andywenk@apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
All,
> Hey Nick,
>
> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could
> you share it via link?
>
Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a link to the attachment in Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
-- Nick
>
> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All,
> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this
> > discussion forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away
> > from the couch with the human figure on it, and go with a top view
> > of a circular, or conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I
> > tried to stay true to
> the
> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of
> > course this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- Nick Pavlica
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as
> >> it's
> not
> >> a developer-related issue.
> >>
> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol,
> >> please
> post
> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
> announcement
> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
> >>
> >> -Joan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >>
> >> Jan,
> >>
> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts
> >> as
> well
> >>
> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I
> >> was
> not
> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue
> >> but
> am
> >> still -1 in changing the name
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for
> >> > non-threaded
> >> MUAs
> >> > :/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
> >> > >
> >> > > Andy:
> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
> >> > >> my
> >> whatever
> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> >> > > with a
> >> > rename
> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Noah:
> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> > >
> >> > > Andy:
> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
> >> > >> see
> the
> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
> >> > > ML
> who
> >> > think
> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
> >> > > the
> >> name
> >> > and
> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> > >
> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best
> >> > >> Jan
> >> > >> --
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and
> >> > >>>>> shows no
> >> signs
> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
> >> coming up
> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Best
> >> > >>>> Jan
> >> > >>>> --
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I
> >> > >>>>>> clearly
> see
> >> > the
> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on
> >> > >>>>>> the
> ML
> >> > who think
> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to
> >> > >>>>>> keep
> >> the
> >> > name and
> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I
> >> > >>>>>>>> give
> my
> >> > whatever
> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect
> >> > >>>>>>>> to get
> >> > with a
> >> > >>>>>>> rename
> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake
> >> > >>>>>>>>> out
> an
> >> > arbitrary
> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of
> >> > >>>>>>>>> problems. But
> >> it
> >> > is worth
> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to do
> >> it,
> >> > if it
> >> > >>>>>>> is to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
> (cf.
> >> > Max
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked"
> >> into
> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> hard
> copy
> >> > >>>>>>> references)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> long
> do
> >> > you
> >> > >>>>>>> want
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> users
> from
> >> > the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> And
> >> the
> >> > last
> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> >> blue....
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble"
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> <br...@us.ibm.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
> ---10/30/2014
> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> >> > <nslater@apache
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2014 at
> >> > 12:52 AM,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> But
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org"
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> name
> >> > too.
> >> > >>>>>>> I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time.
> >> It's
> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> > changing it
> >> > >>>>>>> in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> done
> we
> >> > will
> >> > >>>>>>> all
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> that
> >> > strength
> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >> tons
> >> > of
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
> already
> >> > isn't
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> branding
> >> > baggage and
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> > >>>>>>>> 9ED3
> >> 9588
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3
> >> > >>>>>> 9ED3
> >> 9588
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> --
> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Noah Slater
> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Wenk
> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> RockIt!
> >>
> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >>
> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com>.
All,
> Hey Nick,
>
> attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could you
> share it via link?
>
Sorry, I didn't realize that the ML restricted attachments. Here is a
link to the attachment in Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4e06ijhfizbd188/couchdb_concept_art.pdf?dl=0
-- Nick
>
> Looking forward to see your ideas :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All,
> > I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this discussion
> > forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away from the couch
> > with the human figure on it, and go with a top view of a circular, or
> > conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I tried to stay true to
> the
> > current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of course
> > this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- Nick Pavlica
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's
> not
> >> a developer-related issue.
> >>
> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
> >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please
> post
> >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official
> announcement
> >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
> >>
> >> -Joan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
> >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >>
> >> Jan,
> >>
> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as
> well
> >>
> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was
> not
> >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but
> am
> >> still -1 in changing the name
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded
> >> MUAs
> >> > :/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I was replying to this thread:
> >> > >
> >> > > Andy:
> >> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
> >> whatever
> >> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
> >> > rename
> >> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Noah:
> >> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> > >
> >> > > Andy:
> >> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see
> the
> >> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML
> who
> >> > think
> >> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the
> >> name
> >> > and
> >> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> > >
> >> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best
> >> > >> Jan
> >> > >> --
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> No, because of the name.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no
> >> signs
> >> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
> >> coming up
> >> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Best
> >> > >>>> Jan
> >> > >>>> --
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly
> see
> >> > the
> >> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the
> ML
> >> > who think
> >> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
> >> the
> >> > name and
> >> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give
> my
> >> > whatever
> >> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
> >> > with a
> >> > >>>>>>> rename
> >> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <
> jason.h.smith@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out
> an
> >> > arbitrary
> >> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But
> >> it
> >> > is worth
> >> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do
> >> it,
> >> > if it
> >> > >>>>>>> is to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now.
> (cf.
> >> > Max
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
> >> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked"
> >> into
> >> > >>>>>>>>> everything
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard
> copy
> >> > >>>>>>> references)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long
> do
> >> > you
> >> > >>>>>>> want
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> be
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users
> from
> >> > the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> current
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And
> >> the
> >> > last
> >> > >>>>>>>>> time I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
> >> blue....
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith
> ---10/30/2014
> >> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
> >> > <nslater@apache
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
> >> > 12:52 AM,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :)
> But
> >> the
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
> >> > nslater@apache.org>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the
> >> name
> >> > too.
> >> > >>>>>>> I
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time.
> >> It's
> >> > >>>>>>>>> important
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and
> >> > changing it
> >> > >>>>>>> in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> a
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done
> we
> >> > will
> >> > >>>>>>> all
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of
> that
> >> > strength
> >> > >>>>>>>>> can
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get
> >> tons
> >> > of
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that
> already
> >> > isn't
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding
> >> > baggage and
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
> >> 9588
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
> >> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
> >> > >>>>>> RockIt!
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
> >> 9588
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> --
> >> > >>>>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> --
> >> > >>> Noah Slater
> >> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Noah Slater
> >> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andy Wenk
> >> Hamburg - Germany
> >> RockIt!
> >>
> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
> >>
> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Andy Wenk
> Hamburg - Germany
> RockIt!
>
> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>
> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
Posted by Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>.
Hey Nick,
attachments are not allowed on this ML and are being deleted. Could you
share it via link?
Looking forward to see your ideas :)
Cheers
Andy
On 1 November 2014 00:07, Nick Pavlica <li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
> I'v crated some conceptual artwork in hopes of moving this discussion
> forward (see attached pdf). The main idea is to get away from the couch
> with the human figure on it, and go with a top view of a circular, or
> conversation couch as we call them in the U.S. I tried to stay true to the
> current logo by retaining the motto, and Apache designation. Of course
> this is a work in progress, and I look forward your feedback.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Nick Pavlica
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's not
>> a developer-related issue.
>>
>> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo
>> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please post
>> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official announcement
>> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions.
>>
>> -Joan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Wenk" <an...@apache.org>
>> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>>
>> Jan,
>>
>> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well
>>
>> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not
>> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am
>> still -1 in changing the name
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded
>> MUAs
>> > :/
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I was replying to this thread:
>> > >
>> > > Andy:
>> > >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
>> whatever
>> > > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a
>> > rename
>> > > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> > >
>> > > Noah:
>> > >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> > >
>> > > Andy:
>> > >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the
>> > > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who
>> > think
>> > > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the
>> name
>> > and
>> > > clarify the situation as often as possible
>> > >
>> > > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best
>> > >> Jan
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No, because of the name.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no
>> signs
>> > >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly
>> coming up
>> > >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best
>> > >>>> Jan
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see
>> > the
>> > >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML
>> > who think
>> > >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep
>> the
>> > name and
>> > >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <an...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my
>> > whatever
>> > >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get
>> > with a
>> > >>>>>>> rename
>> > >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <jason.h.smith@gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an
>> > arbitrary
>> > >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names):
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But
>> it
>> > is worth
>> > >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do
>> it,
>> > if it
>> > >>>>>>> is to
>> > >>>>>>>>> be done.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater <
>> > nslater@apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf.
>> > Max
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes <
>> > kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked"
>> into
>> > >>>>>>>>> everything
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy
>> > >>>>>>> references)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do
>> > you
>> > >>>>>>> want
>> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from
>> > the
>> > >>>>>>>>> current
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And
>> the
>> > last
>> > >>>>>>>>> time I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or
>> blue....
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <br...@us.ibm.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB*
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014
>> > >>>>>>> 04:40:26
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater
>> > <nslater@apache
>> > >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at
>> > 12:52 AM,
>> > >>>>>>>>> Noah
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But
>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "dev@couchdb.apache.org" <de...@couchdb.apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater <
>> > nslater@apache.org>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the
>> name
>> > too.
>> > >>>>>>> I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time.
>> It's
>> > >>>>>>>>> important
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and
>> > changing it
>> > >>>>>>> in
>> > >>>>>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done we
>> > will
>> > >>>>>>> all
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that
>> > strength
>> > >>>>>>>>> can
>> > >>>>>>>>>> we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get
>> tons
>> > of
>> > >>>>>>>>>> attention
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already
>> > isn't
>> > >>>>>>>>>> enough, we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding
>> > baggage and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> > >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> > >>>>>>>> RockIt!
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
>> 9588
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Andy Wenk
>> > >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany
>> > >>>>>> RockIt!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3
>> 9588
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Noah Slater
>> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Noah Slater
>> > >>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Noah Slater
>> > > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andy Wenk
>> Hamburg - Germany
>> RockIt!
>>
>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
>>
>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
>>
>
>
--
Andy Wenk
Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!
GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588
https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc