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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> on 2012/10/09 21:19:00 UTC
Incubator status page
Hey folks,
We should have completed all of the tasks on our status page before
releasing:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudstack.html
(At least, this is my understanding.)
Can someone see to this?
Thanks,
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
> This has come up previously - many of the items on those lists are
> things I personally feel uncomfortable marking as completed.
>
Why? Can you give more examples?
For instance:
> Assessing the fit with the ASF?
> Give all mentors access to te SVN repo - called as a PMC chair task.
> (though this is done as our repos are available to anyone @incubator)
>
How is this not already long been complete?
> In addition - a number of those are CloudStack-specific work issues
> that we added to the checklist to track our way through graduation.
>
Which ones?
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> We should have completed all of the tasks on our status page before
> releasing:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudstack.html
>
> (At least, this is my understanding.)
>
> Can someone see to this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> NS
This has come up previously - many of the items on those lists are
things I personally feel uncomfortable marking as completed.
For instance:
Assessing the fit with the ASF?
Give all mentors access to te SVN repo - called as a PMC chair task.
(though this is done as our repos are available to anyone @incubator)
In addition - a number of those are CloudStack-specific work issues
that we added to the checklist to track our way through graduation.
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> Noah,
>>
>> AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist. Am I
>> wrong?
>
> Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
> the graduation guide:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
However, this does bring up an important point. We haven't been
keeping it up to date properly. We've completed most of the checklist
already!
-chip
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Thanks!
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>
> > Looks good!
> >
> > - Tell Mentors to track progress in the file 'incubator/projects/{
> > project.name}.html'
> >
> > Has this not been done?
>
> Welp, not sure who was supposed to do that. Since you are a mentor, do
> you know? Can we call it done?
I have done this now.
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Oct 9, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Looks good!
>
> - Tell Mentors to track progress in the file 'incubator/projects/{
> project.name}.html'
>
> Has this not been done?
Welp, not sure who was supposed to do that. Since you are a mentor, do
you know? Can we call it done?
>
> - Fix artifact naming so that they comply with ASF guidelines
>
> This too?
Will be done tonight (per your note about versioning).
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
>>>>> Sweeet. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Committed to svn.
>>>
>>> Noah - do you have karma to publish from here?
>>> https://cms.apache.org/incubator/publish
>>
>> You don't?
>> I just published
>>
>> --David
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Looks good!
- Tell Mentors to track progress in the file 'incubator/projects/{
project.name}.html'
Has this not been done?
- Fix artifact naming so that they comply with ASF guidelines
This too?
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >>> Sweeet. Thanks!
> >>
> >> Committed to svn.
> >
> > Noah - do you have karma to publish from here?
> > https://cms.apache.org/incubator/publish
> >
>
> You don't?
> I just published
>
> --David
>
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
>>> Sweeet. Thanks!
>>
>> Committed to svn.
>
> Noah - do you have karma to publish from here?
> https://cms.apache.org/incubator/publish
>
You don't?
I just published
--David
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
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On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>> > You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
>>>>
>>>> The IPMC vote that's required after the project's vote. Podlings
>>>> aren't TLP's, and therefore aren't authorized to issue releases
>>>> without their sponsoring TPL voting in approval, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh, you're right.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that wasn't there back in the good ol' days when I was an
>>> RM in the Incubator.
>>>
>>> *You kids get off my lawn!*
>>
>> *Proceeding to jump back and forth between the street and your lawn.*
>>
>>>> > It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be
>>>> completed
>>>> > before we can do a release.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, we have cleared the legal checkpoints. I'm updating the status
>>>> page appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sweeet. Thanks!
>>
>> Committed to svn.
>
> Noah - do you have karma to publish from here?
> https://cms.apache.org/incubator/publish
Never mind - I do. Publishing now.
>>>
>>>
>>>> > Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not
>>>> think
>>>> > is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
>>>> > release?
>>>>
>>>> Several infrastructure related tasks are not required to vote and
>>>> approve on a release. Example: we added a task to redirect cs.o to
>>>> i.a.o/cloudstack. I'd like to be done, but it's not a requirement for
>>>> a release.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>> > You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
>>>
>>> The IPMC vote that's required after the project's vote. Podlings
>>> aren't TLP's, and therefore aren't authorized to issue releases
>>> without their sponsoring TPL voting in approval, right?
>>
>>
>> Huh, you're right.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that wasn't there back in the good ol' days when I was an
>> RM in the Incubator.
>>
>> *You kids get off my lawn!*
>
> *Proceeding to jump back and forth between the street and your lawn.*
>
>>> > It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be
>>> completed
>>> > before we can do a release.
>>>
>>> IMO, we have cleared the legal checkpoints. I'm updating the status
>>> page appropriately.
>>
>>
>> Sweeet. Thanks!
>
> Committed to svn.
Noah - do you have karma to publish from here?
https://cms.apache.org/incubator/publish
>>
>>
>>> > Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not
>>> think
>>> > is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
>>> > release?
>>>
>>> Several infrastructure related tasks are not required to vote and
>>> approve on a release. Example: we added a task to redirect cs.o to
>>> i.a.o/cloudstack. I'd like to be done, but it's not a requirement for
>>> a release.
>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> --
>> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> > You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
>>
>> The IPMC vote that's required after the project's vote. Podlings
>> aren't TLP's, and therefore aren't authorized to issue releases
>> without their sponsoring TPL voting in approval, right?
>
>
> Huh, you're right.
>
> I'm pretty sure that wasn't there back in the good ol' days when I was an
> RM in the Incubator.
>
> *You kids get off my lawn!*
*Proceeding to jump back and forth between the street and your lawn.*
>> > It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be
>> completed
>> > before we can do a release.
>>
>> IMO, we have cleared the legal checkpoints. I'm updating the status
>> page appropriately.
>
>
> Sweeet. Thanks!
Committed to svn.
>
>
>> > Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not
>> think
>> > is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
>> > release?
>>
>> Several infrastructure related tasks are not required to vote and
>> approve on a release. Example: we added a task to redirect cs.o to
>> i.a.o/cloudstack. I'd like to be done, but it's not a requirement for
>> a release.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> --
> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
>
> The IPMC vote that's required after the project's vote. Podlings
> aren't TLP's, and therefore aren't authorized to issue releases
> without their sponsoring TPL voting in approval, right?
Huh, you're right.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't there back in the good ol' days when I was an
RM in the Incubator.
*You kids get off my lawn!*
> > It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be
> completed
> > before we can do a release.
>
> IMO, we have cleared the legal checkpoints. I'm updating the status
> page appropriately.
Sweeet. Thanks!
> > Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not
> think
> > is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
> > release?
>
> Several infrastructure related tasks are not required to vote and
> approve on a release. Example: we added a task to redirect cs.o to
> i.a.o/cloudstack. I'd like to be done, but it's not a requirement for
> a release.
Agreed.
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
The IPMC vote that's required after the project's vote. Podlings
aren't TLP's, and therefore aren't authorized to issue releases
without their sponsoring TPL voting in approval, right?
> It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be completed
> before we can do a release.
IMO, we have cleared the legal checkpoints. I'm updating the status
page appropriately.
> Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not think
> is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
> release?
Several infrastructure related tasks are not required to vote and
approve on a release. Example: we added a task to redirect cs.o to
i.a.o/cloudstack. I'd like to be done, but it's not a requirement for
a release.
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
>
>> Noah,
>>
>> I think that the advice we need to take from this, is to update the
>> page prior to getting to the IPMC voting process (which is after the
>> project-level vote). Otherwise, we'll have a similar conversation.
>>
>> We may not be done all of the steps required for graduation, but many
>> of the steps have been completed. We should take credit for doing the
>> work we have done!
>>
>> I'm willing to update the page for *some* of the items... now to go
>> dig up the info on where / how.
>>
>> -chip
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> > I am basing my suggestion on this comment Henri Yandell made:
>> >
>> > "There are other legal items on that page that you should review and
>> > decide if you can check off. If you're releasing, then I would expect
>> > that page to have no unfinished tasks."
>> >
>> > http://s.apache.org/SqR
>> >
>> > But maybe he just means the *legal* checkpoints?
>> >
>> > From looking at it...
>> >
>> > - Mentor-related responsibility/oversight
>> >
>> > This is complete, and can be marked as such, with dates.
>> >
>> > - Copyright
>> >
>> > This looks like it is complete. (Assuming trademark rights are separate.)
>> >
>> > - Verify distribution rights
>> >
>> > This looks like it is complete.
>> >
>> > - Establish a list of active committers
>> >
>> > This looks like it is complete.
>> >
>> > - Project specific
>> >
>> > This is partially complete, but from the looks of it needs to be
>> completed
>> > before the release?
>> >
>> > So, it doesn't seem to be an issue for us to sort all this out, no?
>> >
>> > Looking for other mentor input here, in case I am misunderstanding
>> things.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Noah,
>> >> >
>> >> > AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist.
>> Am I
>> >> > wrong?
>> >>
>> >> Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
>> >> the graduation guide:
>> >>
>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >> --
>> >> Joe Brockmeier
>> >> jzb@zonker.net
>> >> Twitter: @jzb
>> >> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > NS
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
You've lost me. Which IPMC voting process?
It seems to me that the legal checkpoints here clearly need to be completed
before we can do a release.
Is there anything in the tabular part of this status page you do not think
is necessary to complete, or mark as complete, before we ship our first
release?
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>wrote:
> Noah,
>
> I think that the advice we need to take from this, is to update the
> page prior to getting to the IPMC voting process (which is after the
> project-level vote). Otherwise, we'll have a similar conversation.
>
> We may not be done all of the steps required for graduation, but many
> of the steps have been completed. We should take credit for doing the
> work we have done!
>
> I'm willing to update the page for *some* of the items... now to go
> dig up the info on where / how.
>
> -chip
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > I am basing my suggestion on this comment Henri Yandell made:
> >
> > "There are other legal items on that page that you should review and
> > decide if you can check off. If you're releasing, then I would expect
> > that page to have no unfinished tasks."
> >
> > http://s.apache.org/SqR
> >
> > But maybe he just means the *legal* checkpoints?
> >
> > From looking at it...
> >
> > - Mentor-related responsibility/oversight
> >
> > This is complete, and can be marked as such, with dates.
> >
> > - Copyright
> >
> > This looks like it is complete. (Assuming trademark rights are separate.)
> >
> > - Verify distribution rights
> >
> > This looks like it is complete.
> >
> > - Establish a list of active committers
> >
> > This looks like it is complete.
> >
> > - Project specific
> >
> > This is partially complete, but from the looks of it needs to be
> completed
> > before the release?
> >
> > So, it doesn't seem to be an issue for us to sort all this out, no?
> >
> > Looking for other mentor input here, in case I am misunderstanding
> things.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Noah,
> >> >
> >> > AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist.
> Am I
> >> > wrong?
> >>
> >> Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
> >> the graduation guide:
> >>
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >> --
> >> Joe Brockmeier
> >> jzb@zonker.net
> >> Twitter: @jzb
> >> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
Noah,
I think that the advice we need to take from this, is to update the
page prior to getting to the IPMC voting process (which is after the
project-level vote). Otherwise, we'll have a similar conversation.
We may not be done all of the steps required for graduation, but many
of the steps have been completed. We should take credit for doing the
work we have done!
I'm willing to update the page for *some* of the items... now to go
dig up the info on where / how.
-chip
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> I am basing my suggestion on this comment Henri Yandell made:
>
> "There are other legal items on that page that you should review and
> decide if you can check off. If you're releasing, then I would expect
> that page to have no unfinished tasks."
>
> http://s.apache.org/SqR
>
> But maybe he just means the *legal* checkpoints?
>
> From looking at it...
>
> - Mentor-related responsibility/oversight
>
> This is complete, and can be marked as such, with dates.
>
> - Copyright
>
> This looks like it is complete. (Assuming trademark rights are separate.)
>
> - Verify distribution rights
>
> This looks like it is complete.
>
> - Establish a list of active committers
>
> This looks like it is complete.
>
> - Project specific
>
> This is partially complete, but from the looks of it needs to be completed
> before the release?
>
> So, it doesn't seem to be an issue for us to sort all this out, no?
>
> Looking for other mentor input here, in case I am misunderstanding things.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Noah,
>> >
>> > AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist. Am I
>> > wrong?
>>
>> Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
>> the graduation guide:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joe
>> --
>> Joe Brockmeier
>> jzb@zonker.net
>> Twitter: @jzb
>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
I am basing my suggestion on this comment Henri Yandell made:
"There are other legal items on that page that you should review and
decide if you can check off. If you're releasing, then I would expect
that page to have no unfinished tasks."
http://s.apache.org/SqR
But maybe he just means the *legal* checkpoints?
>From looking at it...
- Mentor-related responsibility/oversight
This is complete, and can be marked as such, with dates.
- Copyright
This looks like it is complete. (Assuming trademark rights are separate.)
- Verify distribution rights
This looks like it is complete.
- Establish a list of active committers
This looks like it is complete.
- Project specific
This is partially complete, but from the looks of it needs to be completed
before the release?
So, it doesn't seem to be an issue for us to sort all this out, no?
Looking for other mentor input here, in case I am misunderstanding things.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> wrote:
> > Noah,
> >
> > AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist. Am I
> > wrong?
>
> Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
> the graduation guide:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
--
NS
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Chip Childers wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Noah,
>
> AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist. Am I
> wrong?
Seems to me it's a graduation checklist, as it's referenced here under
the graduation guide:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status
Best,
Joe
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Incubator status page
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> We should have completed all of the tasks on our status page before
> releasing:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudstack.html
>
> (At least, this is my understanding.)
>
> Can someone see to this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> NS
Noah,
AFAIK, those are the graduation checklist, not a release checklist. Am I wrong?