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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de> on 2019/08/29 13:48:54 UTC
Install Kurento on Ubuntu 19.04
Hello,
I try to install the newest OM5-M3 on the newest Ubuntu 19.04.
Have anybody an idea what I have to insert in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
On Ubuntu 18.04 is was the line
/deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0 bionic kms6/
Actually the newest Kurento-version is the 6.11.0.
What I have to insert?
With best regards,
René
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de>.
in Germany
"Kleine Kinder - kleine Sorgen ..." ;-)
so... enough "off topic" ;-)
Am 10.09.19 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>
> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>
> [1]
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>
>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>
>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>> I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> Thanks :)
>>>> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>> nights
>>>> :)))
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations!
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free
>> time
>>>>>> than usual :)
>>>>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
>> into
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
>>>>> use
>>>>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>> users.
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin
>> ->
>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Automatic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users
>> that
>>>>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition
>> to
>>>>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
>>>>> down
>>>>>>> the other features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>>>>> For me its important .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>>>> something.
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to
>> make
>>>>>>> this change?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>> possible to
>>>>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>> users of
>>>>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>> remote-access
>>>>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>> start
>>>>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
>>>>> click
>>>>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>>>> organisations
>>>>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>>>>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>>>>>>> without interaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>> black
>>>>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>> something
>>>>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>> sharing-icon
>>>>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it
>> any
>>>>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>> receive a
>>>>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select
>> the
>>>>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a
>> big
>>>>>>> problem with it.
>>>>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>> find)
>>>>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>> without
>>>>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> Virus-free.
>>>>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>>>> <
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>>>>
>>
Re: settings for record-defaults
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Actually this size is useless :(
It is necessary to display video of _this_exact_size_ at client
Unfortunately I have no idea how _the_real_ size of screen sharing can be
retrieved :(((
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 17:59, R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Juan,
>
> great - thank you very much. After your good description I found it
> immediately.
> (Puh, one more file to copy manually after an update.)
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 12.09.2019 um 11:50 schrieb Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona:
> > Hi René
> >
> > You can change that values in file
> >
> >
> webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/org/apache/openmeetings/web/room/RoomPanel.html
>
> >
> >
> > You must look for <div id="sharer"....
> >
> > Inside that div you can change that values. On my instalation there
> > are the lines 106 and 110 to change width-height.
> >
> > To select other FPS, simply change selected to other value some lines
> > below.
> >
> > You'll must restart your openmeetings after the changes.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > El 12/9/19 a las 10:36, R. Scholz escribió:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> when I open the sharing-window to start the recording OM offers me a
> >> every time a resolution of 800x600.
> >>
> >> BTW: The result-video have then the resolution 800x800. It seems that
> >> the ffmpeg-conversion uses the horizontal-value in both directions.
> >>
> >> But my question is that I want a higher resolution and fps every
> >> time. Where I can set this as default-settings?
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: settings for record-defaults
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Juan,
great - thank you very much. After your good description I found it
immediately.
(Puh, one more file to copy manually after an update.)
Best regards,
René
Am 12.09.2019 um 11:50 schrieb Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona:
> Hi René
>
> You can change that values in file
>
> webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/org/apache/openmeetings/web/room/RoomPanel.html
>
>
> You must look for <div id="sharer"....
>
> Inside that div you can change that values. On my instalation there
> are the lines 106 and 110 to change width-height.
>
> To select other FPS, simply change selected to other value some lines
> below.
>
> You'll must restart your openmeetings after the changes.
>
> Regards.
>
> El 12/9/19 a las 10:36, R. Scholz escribió:
>> Hello,
>>
>> when I open the sharing-window to start the recording OM offers me a
>> every time a resolution of 800x600.
>>
>> BTW: The result-video have then the resolution 800x800. It seems that
>> the ffmpeg-conversion uses the horizontal-value in both directions.
>>
>> But my question is that I want a higher resolution and fps every
>> time. Where I can set this as default-settings?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>
Re: settings for record-defaults
Posted by Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi René
You can change that values in file
webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/org/apache/openmeetings/web/room/RoomPanel.html
You must look for <div id="sharer"....
Inside that div you can change that values. On my instalation there are
the lines 106 and 110 to change width-height.
To select other FPS, simply change selected to other value some lines below.
You'll must restart your openmeetings after the changes.
Regards.
El 12/9/19 a las 10:36, R. Scholz escribió:
> Hello,
>
> when I open the sharing-window to start the recording OM offers me a
> every time a resolution of 800x600.
>
> BTW: The result-video have then the resolution 800x800. It seems that
> the ffmpeg-conversion uses the horizontal-value in both directions.
>
> But my question is that I want a higher resolution and fps every time.
> Where I can set this as default-settings?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
settings for record-defaults
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello,
when I open the sharing-window to start the recording OM offers me a
every time a resolution of 800x600.
BTW: The result-video have then the resolution 800x800. It seems that
the ffmpeg-conversion uses the horizontal-value in both directions.
But my question is that I want a higher resolution and fps every time.
Where I can set this as default-settings?
With best regards,
René
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Great,
thanks for verification!
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 00:45, R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> JIRA told me that you had a look to my problem with the "sharing-button".
>
> It looks good, when I press the button it stay correctly.
> Good work!
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 11:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
> )
> you need build 2931+ ....
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I had download:
>> wget
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Works for me on demo-next
>> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>>
>> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
>>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>>
>>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the viewer-browser -
>>> same result as ever.
>>>
>>> Have you any idea?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
>>> import/export)
>>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
>>> `boolean`
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz <
>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>>>>
>>>> What I forget?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>>
>>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the
>>>> build
>>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
>>>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>>>>> nights
>>>>> >> :)))
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less
>>>>> free time
>>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a
>>>>> feature into
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>>>>> different
>>>>> >>> use
>>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>>>>> users.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
>>>>> admin ->
>>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
>>>>> users that
>>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>>>>> training.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>>>>> addition to
>>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
>>>>> slow
>>>>> >>> down
>>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
>>>>> E-mail
>>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>>> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections
>>>>> ....
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>>>> >>> something.
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK
>>>>> to make
>>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>>>>> possible to
>>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>>>>> sharing
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>>>>> users of
>>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>>>>> remote-access
>>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>>>>> start
>>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>> click
>>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>>>> >>> organisations
>>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>>>>> sharing-screen
>>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>>>>> looking
>>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive
>>>>> a black
>>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>>>>> something
>>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>>>>> sharing-icon
>>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's
>>>>> attention
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
>>>>> it any
>>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>>>>> receive a
>>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>>>>> select the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I
>>>>> have a big
>>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>>>>> find)
>>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>>>>> without
>>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
JIRA told me that you had a look to my problem with the "sharing-button".
It looks good, when I press the button it stay correctly.
Good work!
Best regards,
René
> Am 11.09.2019 um 11:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/)
>> you need build 2931+ ....
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hm, I had download:
>> wget
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> Works for me on demo-next
>>> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>>>
>>> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it
>>> true.
>>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>>
>>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the
>>> viewer-browser - same result as ever.
>>>
>>> Have you any idea?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or
>>>> after import/export)
>>>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this
>>>> parameter of type `boolean`
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz
>>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the
>>>> admin/config.
>>>>
>>>> What I forget?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>>>
>>>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits
>>>>> and starts the build
>>>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be
>>>>> examined (for ex. [1])
>>>>> new build with this new feature will be available in
>>>>> ~1hour
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn
>>>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember
>>>>> all those sleepless nights
>>>>> >> :)))
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn
>>>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so
>>>>> I have even less free time
>>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable
>>>>> behavior before M3 release
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your
>>>>> sight.
>>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can
>>>>> implement this as a feature into
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good
>>>>> concept. OM is used in different
>>>>> >>> use
>>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we
>>>>> have more potential users.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um
>>>>> 10:24 Uhr
>>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM"
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be
>>>>> offered as an option in admin ->
>>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts.
>>>>> Automatic is good for users that
>>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as
>>>>> troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use
>>>>> other features in addition to
>>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume
>>>>> bandwidth and will slow
>>>>> >>> down
>>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration,
>>>>> Tele-healthcare,
>>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on
>>>>> the fly…*
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality
>>>>> Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications
>>>>> Solutions' posted at:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik
>>>>> [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>]
>>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list
>>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>>> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there
>>>>> will be no objections ....
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>>>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting
>>>>> in that feature.
>>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept
>>>>> it, if nobody write
>>>>> >>> something.
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other
>>>>> users: would it be OK to make
>>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to
>>>>> raise my hope: Is it possible to
>>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without
>>>>> mouse-click?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that.
>>>>> But, I say that, in sharing
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem
>>>>> (for me). The most users of
>>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain
>>>>> when I want a remote-access
>>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question
>>>>> (under windows) at the start
>>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.
>>>>> Some of users refuse to
>>>>> >>> click
>>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want
>>>>> Admin-rights.)
>>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the
>>>>> IT-Department of their
>>>>> >>> organisations
>>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on
>>>>> anything
>>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to
>>>>> open the sharing-screen
>>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it
>>>>> free. In my opinion
>>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation
>>>>> himself, and the user looking
>>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>>>>> client only receive a black
>>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs
>>>>> screen-sharing
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on
>>>>> Windows (most probably something
>>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to
>>>>> attract user's attention
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this
>>>>> is why user can close it any
>>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not
>>>>> possible, the client only receive a
>>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats
>>>>> no problem, when I select the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best
>>>>> solution, but it works.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
>>>>> screen in the
>>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the
>>>>> person who view the
>>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow
>>>>> the question.
>>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to
>>>>> allow anything - I have a big
>>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top
>>>>> corner is difficult to find)
>>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>>>>> sharing-window appears without
>>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator
>>>>> show what he want.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
This need to be improved
Could you please file JIRA?
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 15:11, R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> i have tested it and it works wonderful (test under Windows 10 with
> Firefox and Chrome).
>
> Very good work, this feature is very important for me.
>
> What I see: When I close the "little sharing-window" (where I start
> recording/sharing) with the cross (right-top-corner) the icon in the
> top-right corner of my browser (as moderator) is away.
> I have to press F5, then it appears. But then I have to switch on my
> camera and microphone again, after the reload/refresh its away too (thats
> OK).
> Without the share-button I can not stop the sharing or the recording.
> This is reproducable with Firefox and Chrome.
> The solution for the moment is to put the sharing-window in a corner of my
> screen and make it small.
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 13:06 schrieb René Scholz:
>
> OHA! What for a crazy mistake.
> I have to clean my glasses...
>
> Thank you very much, I will have a try.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 11:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
> )
> you need build 2931+ ....
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hm, I had download:
>> wget
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Works for me on demo-next
>> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>>
>> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
>>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>>
>>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the viewer-browser -
>>> same result as ever.
>>>
>>> Have you any idea?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
>>> import/export)
>>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
>>> `boolean`
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz <
>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>>>>
>>>> What I forget?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>>
>>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the
>>>> build
>>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
>>>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>>>>> nights
>>>>> >> :)))
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less
>>>>> free time
>>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a
>>>>> feature into
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>>>>> different
>>>>> >>> use
>>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>>>>> users.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
>>>>> admin ->
>>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
>>>>> users that
>>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>>>>> training.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>>>>> addition to
>>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
>>>>> slow
>>>>> >>> down
>>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
>>>>> E-mail
>>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>>> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections
>>>>> ....
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>>>> >>> something.
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK
>>>>> to make
>>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>>>>> possible to
>>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>>>>> sharing
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>>>>> users of
>>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>>>>> remote-access
>>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>>>>> start
>>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>> click
>>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>>>> >>> organisations
>>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>>>>> sharing-screen
>>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>>>>> looking
>>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive
>>>>> a black
>>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>>>>> something
>>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>>>>> sharing-icon
>>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's
>>>>> attention
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
>>>>> it any
>>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>>>>> receive a
>>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>>>>> select the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I
>>>>> have a big
>>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>>>>> find)
>>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>>>>> without
>>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
i have tested it and it works wonderful (test under Windows 10 with
Firefox and Chrome).
Very good work, this feature is very important for me.
What I see: When I close the "little sharing-window" (where I start
recording/sharing) with the cross (right-top-corner) the icon in the
top-right corner of my browser (as moderator) is away.
I have to press F5, then it appears. But then I have to switch on my
camera and microphone again, after the reload/refresh its away too
(thats OK).
Without the share-button I can not stop the sharing or the recording.
This is reproducable with Firefox and Chrome.
The solution for the moment is to put the sharing-window in a corner of
my screen and make it small.
With best regards,
René
Am 11.09.2019 um 13:06 schrieb René Scholz:
> OHA! What for a crazy mistake.
> I have to clean my glasses...
>
> Thank you very much, I will have a try.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 11:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/)
>> you need build 2931+ ....
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hm, I had download:
>> wget
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> Works for me on demo-next
>>> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>>>
>>> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it
>>> true.
>>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>>
>>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the
>>> viewer-browser - same result as ever.
>>>
>>> Have you any idea?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or
>>>> after import/export)
>>>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this
>>>> parameter of type `boolean`
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz
>>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the
>>>> admin/config.
>>>>
>>>> What I forget?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>>>
>>>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits
>>>>> and starts the build
>>>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be
>>>>> examined (for ex. [1])
>>>>> new build with this new feature will be available in
>>>>> ~1hour
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn
>>>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember
>>>>> all those sleepless nights
>>>>> >> :)))
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn
>>>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so
>>>>> I have even less free time
>>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable
>>>>> behavior before M3 release
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your
>>>>> sight.
>>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can
>>>>> implement this as a feature into
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good
>>>>> concept. OM is used in different
>>>>> >>> use
>>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we
>>>>> have more potential users.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um
>>>>> 10:24 Uhr
>>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM"
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be
>>>>> offered as an option in admin ->
>>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts.
>>>>> Automatic is good for users that
>>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as
>>>>> troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use
>>>>> other features in addition to
>>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume
>>>>> bandwidth and will slow
>>>>> >>> down
>>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration,
>>>>> Tele-healthcare,
>>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on
>>>>> the fly…*
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality
>>>>> Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications
>>>>> Solutions' posted at:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik
>>>>> [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>]
>>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list
>>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>>> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there
>>>>> will be no objections ....
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>>>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting
>>>>> in that feature.
>>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept
>>>>> it, if nobody write
>>>>> >>> something.
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other
>>>>> users: would it be OK to make
>>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to
>>>>> raise my hope: Is it possible to
>>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without
>>>>> mouse-click?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that.
>>>>> But, I say that, in sharing
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem
>>>>> (for me). The most users of
>>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain
>>>>> when I want a remote-access
>>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question
>>>>> (under windows) at the start
>>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.
>>>>> Some of users refuse to
>>>>> >>> click
>>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want
>>>>> Admin-rights.)
>>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the
>>>>> IT-Department of their
>>>>> >>> organisations
>>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on
>>>>> anything
>>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to
>>>>> open the sharing-screen
>>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it
>>>>> free. In my opinion
>>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation
>>>>> himself, and the user looking
>>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>>>>> client only receive a black
>>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs
>>>>> screen-sharing
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on
>>>>> Windows (most probably something
>>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to
>>>>> attract user's attention
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this
>>>>> is why user can close it any
>>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not
>>>>> possible, the client only receive a
>>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats
>>>>> no problem, when I select the
>>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best
>>>>> solution, but it works.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
>>>>> screen in the
>>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the
>>>>> person who view the
>>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow
>>>>> the question.
>>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to
>>>>> allow anything - I have a big
>>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top
>>>>> corner is difficult to find)
>>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>>>>> sharing-window appears without
>>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator
>>>>> show what he want.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> René
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
OHA! What for a crazy mistake.
I have to clean my glasses...
Thank you very much, I will have a try.
Best regards,
René
Am 11.09.2019 um 11:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Hello Rene,
>
> build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/)
> you need build 2931+ ....
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hm, I had download:
> wget
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> Works for me on demo-next
>> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>>
>> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it
>> true.
>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>
>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the
>> viewer-browser - same result as ever.
>>
>> Have you any idea?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or
>>> after import/export)
>>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this
>>> parameter of type `boolean`
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the
>>> admin/config.
>>>
>>> What I forget?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>>
>>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits
>>>> and starts the build
>>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined
>>>> (for ex. [1])
>>>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
>>>> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember
>>>> all those sleepless nights
>>>> >> :)))
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn
>>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so
>>>> I have even less free time
>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable
>>>> behavior before M3 release
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your
>>>> sight.
>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can
>>>> implement this as a feature into
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept.
>>>> OM is used in different
>>>> >>> use
>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we
>>>> have more potential users.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um
>>>> 10:24 Uhr
>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered
>>>> as an option in admin ->
>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts.
>>>> Automatic is good for users that
>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as
>>>> troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use
>>>> other features in addition to
>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume
>>>> bandwidth and will slow
>>>> >>> down
>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration,
>>>> Tele-healthcare,
>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the
>>>> fly…*
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality
>>>> Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications
>>>> Solutions' posted at:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik
>>>> [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com>>]
>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list
>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will
>>>> be no objections ....
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in
>>>> that feature.
>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept
>>>> it, if nobody write
>>>> >>> something.
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other
>>>> users: would it be OK to make
>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise
>>>> my hope: Is it possible to
>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without
>>>> mouse-click?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that.
>>>> But, I say that, in sharing
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem
>>>> (for me). The most users of
>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain
>>>> when I want a remote-access
>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question
>>>> (under windows) at the start
>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.
>>>> Some of users refuse to
>>>> >>> click
>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want
>>>> Admin-rights.)
>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the
>>>> IT-Department of their
>>>> >>> organisations
>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on
>>>> anything
>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to
>>>> open the sharing-screen
>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it
>>>> free. In my opinion
>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation
>>>> himself, and the user looking
>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>>>> client only receive a black
>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs
>>>> screen-sharing
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on
>>>> Windows (most probably something
>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the
>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to
>>>> attract user's attention
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is
>>>> why user can close it any
>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not
>>>> possible, the client only receive a
>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no
>>>> problem, when I select the
>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best
>>>> solution, but it works.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
>>>> screen in the
>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the
>>>> person who view the
>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow
>>>> the question.
>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to
>>>> allow anything - I have a big
>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top
>>>> corner is difficult to find)
>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>>>> sharing-window appears without
>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show
>>>> what he want.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> <
>>>> >>>
>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>>>> >>>>> <
>>>> >>>
>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Rene,
build 2930 doesn't have this this (you can check it here
https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/)
you need build 2931+ ....
https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2931
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:56, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hm, I had download:
> wget
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
>
>
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Works for me on demo-next
> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>
> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
>> I reboot my OM-Server.
>>
>> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the viewer-browser -
>> same result as ever.
>>
>> Have you any idea?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
>> import/export)
>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
>> `boolean`
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>>>
>>> What I forget?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>
>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
>>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >> Thanks :)
>>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>>>> nights
>>>> >> :)))
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less
>>>> free time
>>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
>>>> into
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>>>> different
>>>> >>> use
>>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>>>> users.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>>> >>>>> Ed
>>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
>>>> admin ->
>>>> >>>>> configuration
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
>>>> users that
>>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>>>> training.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>>>> addition to
>>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
>>>> slow
>>>> >>> down
>>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
>>>> E-mail
>>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections
>>>> ....
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>>> >>> something.
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK
>>>> to make
>>>> >>>>> this change?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>>>> possible to
>>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>>>> sharing
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>>>> users of
>>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>>>> remote-access
>>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>>>> start
>>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse
>>>> to
>>>> >>> click
>>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>>> >>> organisations
>>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>>>> sharing-screen
>>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>>>> looking
>>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive
>>>> a black
>>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>>>> something
>>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>>>> sharing-icon
>>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
>>>> it any
>>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>>>> receive a
>>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>>>> select the
>>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I
>>>> have a big
>>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>>>> find)
>>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>>>> without
>>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WBR
>>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> <
>>>> >>>
>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>>> >>>>> www.avg.com
>>>> >>>>> <
>>>> >>>
>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hm, I had download:
wget
https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/artifact/openmeetings-server/target/apache-openmeetings-5.0.0-M3-SNAPSHOT.tar.gz
Am 11.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Works for me on demo-next
> Are you sure you are using correct build?
>
> btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
> I reboot my OM-Server.
>
> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the
> viewer-browser - same result as ever.
>
> Have you any idea?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
>> import/export)
>> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of
>> type `boolean`
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the
>> admin/config.
>>
>> What I forget?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>>
>>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and
>>> starts the build
>>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for
>>> ex. [1])
>>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
>>> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>> >
>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >> Thanks :)
>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all
>>> those sleepless nights
>>> >> :)))
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn
>>> <daehn@vcrp.de <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I
>>> have even less free time
>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior
>>> before M3 release
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement
>>> this as a feature into
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM
>>> is used in different
>>> >>> use
>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have
>>> more potential users.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>> >>>>> Ed
>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an
>>> option in admin ->
>>> >>>>> configuration
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic
>>> is good for users that
>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as
>>> troubleshooting / IT training.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other
>>> features in addition to
>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume
>>> bandwidth and will slow
>>> >>> down
>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
>>> <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration,
>>> Tele-healthcare,
>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality
>>> Notice Regarding E-mail
>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions'
>>> posted at:
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik
>>> [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>]
>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list
>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be
>>> no objections ....
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that
>>> feature.
>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if
>>> nobody write
>>> >>> something.
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users:
>>> would it be OK to make
>>> >>>>> this change?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my
>>> hope: Is it possible to
>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without
>>> mouse-click?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I
>>> say that, in sharing
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for
>>> me). The most users of
>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when
>>> I want a remote-access
>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under
>>> windows) at the start
>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some
>>> of users refuse to
>>> >>> click
>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department
>>> of their
>>> >>> organisations
>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open
>>> the sharing-screen
>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In
>>> my opinion
>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself,
>>> and the user looking
>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>>> client only receive a black
>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows
>>> (most probably something
>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser
>>> only the sharing-icon
>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract
>>> user's attention
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why
>>> user can close it any
>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>>> client only receive a
>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no
>>> problem, when I select the
>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution,
>>> but it works.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
>>> screen in the
>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person
>>> who view the
>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the
>>> question.
>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow
>>> anything - I have a big
>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner
>>> is difficult to find)
>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>>> sharing-window appears without
>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what
>>> he want.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> WBR
>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> WBR
>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>>> >>>>> <
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Works for me on demo-next
Are you sure you are using correct build?
btw no need to restart OM after changing config value :)
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 14:00, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
> I reboot my OM-Server.
>
> I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the viewer-browser - same
> result as ever.
>
> Have you any idea?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
> import/export)
> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
> `boolean`
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
>> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>>
>> What I forget?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>
>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>
>> [1]
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>
>>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>>> >
>>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >> Thanks :)
>>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>>> nights
>>> >> :)))
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Congratulations!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>> Hello All,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free
>>> time
>>> >>>> than usual :)
>>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
>>> into
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>>> different
>>> >>> use
>>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>>> users.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards
>>> >>>>> Ed
>>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
>>> admin ->
>>> >>>>> configuration
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Automatic
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
>>> users that
>>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>>> training.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>>> addition to
>>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
>>> slow
>>> >>> down
>>> >>>>> the other features.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
>>> E-mail
>>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>> >>>>> For me its important .
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>> >>> something.
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to
>>> make
>>> >>>>> this change?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>>> possible to
>>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>>> sharing
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>>> users of
>>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>>> remote-access
>>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>>> start
>>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
>>> >>> click
>>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>> >>> organisations
>>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>>> looking
>>> >>>>> without interaction.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>>> black
>>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>>> something
>>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>>> sharing-icon
>>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
>>> it any
>>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>>> receive a
>>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>>> select the
>>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have
>>> a big
>>> >>>>> problem with it.
>>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>>> find)
>>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>>> without
>>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> WBR
>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> WBR
>>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>> >
>>> >>> Virus-free.
>>> >>>>> www.avg.com
>>> >>>>> <
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
I insert a new bool with name "auto.open.sharing" and set it true.
I reboot my OM-Server.
I share a screen and only the btutton appears at the viewer-browser -
same result as ever.
Have you any idea?
Best regards,
René
Am 11.09.2019 um 08:08 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
> import/export)
> If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
> `boolean`
>
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>
> What I forget?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>>
>> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts
>> the build
>> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
>> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>>
>> [1]
>> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
>> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>>
>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>
>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>> >
>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >> Thanks :)
>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those
>> sleepless nights
>> >> :)))
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
>> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations!
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have
>> even less free time
>> >>>> than usual :)
>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before
>> M3 release
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as
>> a feature into
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is
>> used in different
>> >>> use
>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more
>> potential users.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards
>> >>>>> Ed
>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> <ma...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an
>> option in admin ->
>> >>>>> configuration
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Automatic
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is
>> good for users that
>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting
>> / IT training.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other
>> features in addition to
>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth
>> and will slow
>> >>> down
>> >>>>> the other features.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
>> <http://www.coscend.com/>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration,
>> Tele-healthcare,
>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice
>> Regarding E-mail
>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>> >>>>>
>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>]
>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list
>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no
>> objections ....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>> >>>>> For me its important .
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if
>> nobody write
>> >>> something.
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would
>> it be OK to make
>> >>>>> this change?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope:
>> Is it possible to
>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say
>> that, in sharing
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me).
>> The most users of
>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I
>> want a remote-access
>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under
>> windows) at the start
>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of
>> users refuse to
>> >>> click
>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>> >>> organisations
>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>> sharing-screen
>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my
>> opinion
>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and
>> the user looking
>> >>>>> without interaction.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client
>> only receive a black
>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most
>> probably something
>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only
>> the sharing-icon
>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract
>> user's attention
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user
>> can close it any
>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>> client only receive a
>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem,
>> when I select the
>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but
>> it works.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who
>> view the
>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow
>> anything - I have a big
>> >>>>> problem with it.
>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is
>> difficult to find)
>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window
>> appears without
>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> WBR
>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> WBR
>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> <
>> >>>
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>> >>> Virus-free.
>> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>> >>>>> <
>> >>>
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
The parameter will "auto-appear" only in case of new DB (or after
import/export)
If you are using existing DB you have to create this parameter of type
`boolean`
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 12:58, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
> I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
>
> What I forget?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>
> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>
> [1]
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>
>> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>>
>> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
>> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>> >
>> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >> Thanks :)
>> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
>> nights
>> >> :)))
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations!
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free
>> time
>> >>>> than usual :)
>> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
>> into
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> admin-configuration.
>> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>> different
>> >>> use
>> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>> users.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards
>> >>>>> Ed
>> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Friends,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin
>> ->
>> >>>>> configuration
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Automatic
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Manual (default)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users
>> that
>> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>> training.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>> addition to
>> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
>> >>> down
>> >>>>> the other features.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>> >>>>> For me its important .
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>> >>> something.
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It is definitely possible
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to
>> make
>> >>>>> this change?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
>> possible to
>> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>> sharing
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>> users of
>> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>> remote-access
>> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>> start
>> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
>> >>> click
>> >>>>> on "Yes".
>> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>> >>> organisations
>> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> >>>>> which is not well known.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>> looking
>> >>>>> without interaction.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Rene,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>> black
>> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>> something
>> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>> sharing-icon
>> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it
>> any
>> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I try to share a program.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>> receive a
>> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>> select the
>> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have
>> a big
>> >>>>> problem with it.
>> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>> find)
>> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>> without
>> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> WBR
>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> WBR
>> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> <
>> >>>
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>> >
>> >>> Virus-free.
>> >>>>> www.avg.com
>> >>>>> <
>> >>>
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
I have install the Build 2931 of M3.
I can't find the Parameter "auto.open.sharing'" in the admin/config.
What I forget?
Best regards,
René
Am 10.09.2019 um 11:17 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
>
> Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
> Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
> new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
>
> [1]
> https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>
> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>
> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
> >
> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >> Thanks :)
> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those
> sleepless nights
> >> :)))
> >>
> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations!
> >>>
> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even
> less free time
> >>>> than usual :)
> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3
> release
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a
> feature into
> >>> the
> >>>>> admin-configuration.
> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
> different
> >>> use
> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more
> potential users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>> Ed
> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
> <OM...@Coscend.com>
> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Friends,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option
> in admin ->
> >>>>> configuration
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Automatic
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Manual (default)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
> users that
> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
> training.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
> addition to
> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and
> will slow
> >>> down
> >>>>> the other features.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com>
> <http://www.coscend.com/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice
> Regarding E-mail
> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>]
> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
> >>>>> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no
> objections ....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> >>>>> For me its important .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
> >>> something.
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Rene,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is definitely possible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be
> OK to make
> >>>>> this change?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
> possible to
> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that,
> in sharing
> >>> the
> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The
> most users of
> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
> remote-access
> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at
> the start
> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users
> refuse to
> >>> click
> >>>>> on "Yes".
> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
> >>> organisations
> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> >>>>> which is not well known.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
> sharing-screen
> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the
> user looking
> >>>>> without interaction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Rene,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
> receive a black
> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most
> probably something
> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
> sharing-icon
> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's
> attention
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can
> close it any
> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I try to share a program.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client
> only receive a
> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when
> I select the
> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything -
> I have a big
> >>>>> problem with it.
> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is
> difficult to find)
> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window
> appears without
> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WBR
> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WBR
> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <
> >>>
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
> >>> Virus-free.
> >>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> >>>>> <
> >>>
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
In Russia we say: "Small kids - small problems ..." :)))
Build server checks every hour if there were commits and starts the build
Every build has "Changes" section which can be examined (for ex. [1])
new build with this new feature will be available in ~1hour
[1]
https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/2930/
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 16:14, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
> btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
>
> Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
> > I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
> >
> > Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >> Thanks :)
> >> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
> nights
> >> :)))
> >>
> >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations!
> >>>
> >>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free
> time
> >>>> than usual :)
> >>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
> >>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> >>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> >>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
> into
> >>> the
> >>>>> admin-configuration.
> >>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
> >>> use
> >>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>> Ed
> >>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> >>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
> <OM...@Coscend.com>
> >>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> >>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Friends,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin
> ->
> >>>>> configuration
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Automatic
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Manual (default)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users
> that
> >>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition
> to
> >>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
> >>> down
> >>>>> the other features.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
> >>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
> >>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
> >>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
> >>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
> >>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> >>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> >>>>> For me its important .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
> >>> something.
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Rene,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is definitely possible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to
> make
> >>>>> this change?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
> possible to
> >>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
> >>> the
> >>>>> whole screen is OK.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
> users of
> >>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> >>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
> remote-access
> >>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> >>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
> start
> >>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> >>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
> >>> click
> >>>>> on "Yes".
> >>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> >>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
> >>> organisations
> >>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> >>>>> which is not well known.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> >>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> >>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
> >>>>> without interaction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Rene,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> black
> >>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
> something
> >>>>> with graphics/overlay)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
> sharing-icon
> >>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it
> any
> >>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> >>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Maxim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I try to share a program.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
> receive a
> >>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> >>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select
> the
> >>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> >>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> >>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> >>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> >>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a
> big
> >>>>> problem with it.
> >>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
> find)
> >>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
> without
> >>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> René
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WBR
> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WBR
> >>>>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <
> >>>
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >
> >>> Virus-free.
> >>>>> www.avg.com
> >>>>> <
> >>>
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de>.
btw 14 could also be worst... ;-)
Am 10.09.19 um 11:08 schrieb Peter Dähn:
> I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
>
> Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> Thanks :)
>> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless nights
>> :)))
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>
>>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>>
>>> Congratulations!
>>>
>>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free time
>>>> than usual :)
>>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into
>>> the
>>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
>>> use
>>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Ed
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
>>>>> configuration
>>>>>
>>>>> Automatic
>>>>>
>>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that
>>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to
>>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
>>> down
>>>>> the other features.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>>
>>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>>> For me its important .
>>>>>
>>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>>> something.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>>
>>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
>>>>> this change?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
>>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
>>> the
>>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
>>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
>>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
>>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
>>> click
>>>>> on "Yes".
>>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>>> organisations
>>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>>>>> without interaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
>>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
>>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>>>>
>>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
>>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>>
>>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>>>>> problem with it.
>>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>> Virus-free.
>>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>> <
>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de>.
I stiil try to forget it... ;-)
Am 10.09.19 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Thanks :)
> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless nights
> :)))
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>
>> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free time
>>> than usual :)
>>> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>>>
>>> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>>>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>>>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into
>> the
>>>> admin-configuration.
>>>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
>> use
>>>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Ed
>>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>
>>>> Hello Friends,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
>>>> configuration
>>>>
>>>> Automatic
>>>>
>>>> Manual (default)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that
>>>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to
>>>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
>> down
>>>> the other features.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>>
>>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>>>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>>>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>>>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>>> For me its important .
>>>>
>>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>> something.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is definitely possible
>>>>
>>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
>>>> this change?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
>>>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>>>
>>>> With best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
>> the
>>>> whole screen is OK.
>>>>
>>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
>>>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
>>>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
>>>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
>> click
>>>> on "Yes".
>>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>> organisations
>>>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>>> which is not well known.
>>>>
>>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>>>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>>>> without interaction.
>>>>
>>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
>>>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>
>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
>>>> with graphics/overlay)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>>>
>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
>>>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>
>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>>>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> I try to share a program.
>>>>
>>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>>
>>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>>>> problem with it.
>>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>>
>>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free.
>>>> www.avg.com
>>>> <
>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
thank you very much for your very fast implementation of the
screen-sharing-feature.
I think I have to wait until tomorrow before I can download the new
M3-version before I can test the new feature?
Or is the newest M3 already online so I can download?
Best regards,
René
Am 10.09.2019 um 10:56 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Thanks :)
> My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless
> nights :)))
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <daehn@vcrp.de
> <ma...@vcrp.de>> wrote:
>
> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less
> free time
> > than usual :)
> > I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
> >
> > Thanks for the JIRA :)
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> >> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> >> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a
> feature into the
> >> admin-configuration.
> >> @Maxim: What do you mean?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
> different use
> >> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more
> potential users.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ed
> >> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> >> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
> <OM...@Coscend.com>
> >> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
> >>
> >> Hello Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
> admin ->
> >> configuration
> >>
> >> Automatic
> >>
> >> Manual (default)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
> users that
> >> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
> training.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
> addition to
> >> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
> slow down
> >> the other features.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hemant K. Sabat
> >>
> >> www.Coscend.com <http://www.Coscend.com> <http://www.coscend.com/>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
> >> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
> E-mail
> >> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
> >> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
> >> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> <solomax666@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>]
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> >> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
> >> <user@openmeetings.apache.org
> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>>
> >> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> >> For me its important .
> >>
> >> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
> something.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>
> >> Hello Rene,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is definitely possible
> >>
> >> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK
> to make
> >> this change?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> >> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
> possible to
> >> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
> sharing the
> >> whole screen is OK.
> >>
> >> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
> users of
> >> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> >> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
> remote-access
> >> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> >> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at
> the start
> >> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> >> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users
> refuse to click
> >> on "Yes".
> >> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> >> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
> organisations
> >> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> >> which is not well known.
> >>
> >> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> >> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> >> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
> looking
> >> without interaction.
> >>
> >> Whats the meaning of the other?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>
> >> Hello Rene,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll try to answer point by point :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
> receive a black
> >> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> >>
> >> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
> something
> >> with graphics/overlay)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
> sharing-icon
> >> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
> >>
> >> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can
> close it any
> >> time and re-open by clicking same icon
> >>
> >> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> >> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> I try to share a program.
> >>
> >> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
> receive a
> >> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> >> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
> select the
> >> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
> >>
> >> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> >> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> >> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> >> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> >> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I
> have a big
> >> problem with it.
> >> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult
> to find)
> >> or they dont allow and switch off.
> >>
> >> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
> without
> >> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> WBR
> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> WBR
> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
> Virus-free.
> >> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> >>
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Thanks :)
My elder daughter is almost 14 so I do remember all those sleepless nights
:)))
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 15:20, Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
> and after birth even less time... ;-)
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free time
> > than usual :)
> > I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
> >
> > Thanks for the JIRA :)
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> >> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> >> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into
> the
> >> admin-configuration.
> >> @Maxim: What do you mean?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
> use
> >> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ed
> >> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> >> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
> >> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> >> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
> >>
> >> Hello Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
> >> configuration
> >>
> >> Automatic
> >>
> >> Manual (default)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that
> >> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to
> >> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow
> down
> >> the other features.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hemant K. Sabat
> >>
> >> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
> >> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
> >> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
> >> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
> >> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
> >> <so...@gmail.com>]
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> >> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> >> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> >> For me its important .
> >>
> >> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
> something.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>
> >> Hello Rene,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is definitely possible
> >>
> >> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
> >> this change?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> >> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
> >> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
> the
> >> whole screen is OK.
> >>
> >> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
> >> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> >> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
> >> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> >> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
> >> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> >> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
> click
> >> on "Yes".
> >> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> >> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
> organisations
> >> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> >> which is not well known.
> >>
> >> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> >> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> >> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
> >> without interaction.
> >>
> >> Whats the meaning of the other?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>
> >> Hello Rene,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll try to answer point by point :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
> >> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> >>
> >> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
> >> with graphics/overlay)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
> >> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
> >>
> >> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
> >> time and re-open by clicking same icon
> >>
> >> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> >> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> I try to share a program.
> >>
> >> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> >> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> >> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
> >> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
> >>
> >> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> >> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> >> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> >> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> >> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
> >> problem with it.
> >> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
> >> or they dont allow and switch off.
> >>
> >> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
> >> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> WBR
> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> WBR
> >> Maxim aka solomax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
> Virus-free.
> >> www.avg.com
> >> <
> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Peter Dähn <da...@vcrp.de>.
and after birth even less time... ;-)
Congratulations!
Am 10.09.19 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Hello All,
>
> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free time
> than usual :)
> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>
> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
>> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into the
>> admin-configuration.
>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different use
>> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Ed
>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
>> configuration
>>
>> Automatic
>>
>> Manual (default)
>>
>>
>>
>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that
>> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>>
>>
>>
>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to
>> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down
>> the other features.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>
>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:
>> http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
>> <so...@gmail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>
>>
>>
>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>> For me its important .
>>
>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>>
>>
>> It is definitely possible
>>
>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
>> this change?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
>> whole screen is OK.
>>
>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click
>> on "Yes".
>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> which is not well known.
>>
>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>> without interaction.
>>
>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>
>>
>>
>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>
>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
>> with graphics/overlay)
>>
>>
>>
>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>
>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>
>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I try to share a program.
>>
>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>
>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>> problem with it.
>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>
>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
>> www.avg.com
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
A daughter - that's great news. I'm very happy.
Congratulations!
With best regards,
René
Am 10.09.2019 um 09:45 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Hello All,
>
> I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free
> time than usual :)
> I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
>
> Thanks for the JIRA :)
>
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> Hello,
>>
>> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
>> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature
>> into the admin-configuration.
>> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in
>>> different use cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have
>>> more potential users.
>>> Best regards
>>> Ed
>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>>> <ma...@Coscend.com>
>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>>
>>> Hello Friends,
>>>
>>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in
>>> admin -> configuration
>>>
>>> Automatic
>>>
>>> Manual (default)
>>>
>>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for
>>> users that use it only for screen sharing such as
>>> troubleshooting / IT training.
>>>
>>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in
>>> addition to screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume
>>> bandwidth and will slow down the other features.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>>
>>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding
>>> E-mail Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted
>>> at:http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>>
>>> *From:*Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> <ma...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>>
>>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>>> For me its important .
>>>
>>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody
>>> write something.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>> Hello Rene,
>>>
>>> It is definitely possible
>>>
>>> I just would like to get input from other users: would
>>> it be OK to make this change?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my
>>> hope: Is it possible to bring the shared program on
>>> screen without mouse-click?
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I
>>> say that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.
>>>
>>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem
>>> (for me). The most users of present are so
>>> sensitized that they not click.
>>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain
>>> when I want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The
>>> remote-access is not the
>>> problem, they need help, its the question (under
>>> windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to
>>> allow the access.
>>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some
>>> of users refuse to click on "Yes".
>>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>>> I hear from a lot of people that the
>>> IT-Department of their organisations give
>>> directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>>> which is not well known.
>>>
>>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open
>>> the sharing-screen automatically when the
>>> moderator give it free. In my opinion
>>> the moderator featured his presentation himself,
>>> and the user looking without interaction.
>>>
>>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>> Hello Rene,
>>>
>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>
>>> */"older Delphi-program its not possible,
>>> the client only receive a black screen"/* -
>>> actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>
>>> So i guess there are some limitation on
>>> Windows (most probably something with
>>> graphics/overlay)
>>>
>>> */"when I transfer the screen in the
>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>> appears"/* - right now this icon blinks to
>>> attract user's attention
>>>
>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this
>>> is why user can close it any time and
>>> re-open by clicking same icon
>>>
>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I try to share a program.
>>>
>>> With an older Delphi-program its not
>>> possible, the client only receive a
>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> you said that came from Kurento. But
>>> thats no problem, when I select the
>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best
>>> solution, but it works.
>>>
>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer
>>> the screen in the
>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon
>>> appears.
>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that
>>> the person who view the
>>> presentation have to click on it and
>>> allow the question.
>>> In germany no user click on an question
>>> to allow anything - I have a big
>>> problem with it.
>>> Many persons not find the icon (right
>>> top corner is difficult to find)
>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>
>>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>>> sharing-window appears without
>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator
>>> show what he want.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello All,
I'm expecting a daughter in upcoming days, so I have even less free time
than usual :)
I'll try to implement this configurable behavior before M3 release
Thanks for the JIRA :)
On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 14:12, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> whats do you mean about our suggestions?
> If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
>
> Hello,
>
> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into the
> admin-configuration.
> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different use
> cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
>
> Best regards
> Ed
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com> <OM...@Coscend.com>
> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>
> Hello Friends,
>
>
>
> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
> configuration
>
> Automatic
>
> Manual (default)
>
>
>
> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that
> use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>
>
>
> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to
> screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down
> the other features.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Hemant K. Sabat
>
> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com
> <so...@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>
>
>
> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> For me its important .
>
> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
>
>
> It is definitely possible
>
> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
> this change?
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
> whole screen is OK.
>
> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click
> on "Yes".
> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> which is not well known.
>
> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
> without interaction.
>
> Whats the meaning of the other?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
>
>
> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>
>
>
> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>
> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
> with graphics/overlay)
>
>
>
> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>
> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>
> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I try to share a program.
>
> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>
> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
> problem with it.
> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
> or they dont allow and switch off.
>
> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
whats do you mean about our suggestions?
If you want I make an insert in JIRA.
Best regards,
René
Am 07.09.2019 um 14:29 schrieb R. Scholz:
> Hello,
>
> thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
> I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into
> the admin-configuration.
> @Maxim: What do you mean?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
>> Hi,
>> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
>> use cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
>> users.
>> Best regards
>> Ed
>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
>> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>>
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin
>> -> configuration
>>
>> Automatic
>>
>> Manual (default)
>>
>> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users
>> that use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT
>> training.
>>
>> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition
>> to screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
>> slow down the other features.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Hemant K. Sabat
>>
>> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
>> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
>> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted
>> at:http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
>> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>>
>> *From:*Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
>> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>>
>> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
>> For me its important .
>>
>> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
>> something.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> It is definitely possible
>>
>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be
>> OK to make this change?
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is
>> it possible to bring the shared program on screen without
>> mouse-click?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say
>> that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.
>>
>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for
>> me). The most users of present are so sensitized that
>> they not click.
>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I
>> want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The
>> remote-access is not the
>> problem, they need help, its the question (under
>> windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to
>> allow the access.
>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of
>> users refuse to click on "Yes".
>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of
>> their organisations give directives to not-click in a
>> browser on anything
>> which is not well known.
>>
>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>> sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give
>> it free. In my opinion
>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and
>> the user looking without interaction.
>>
>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>
>> */"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
>> client only receive a black screen"/* - actually
>> browser performs screen-sharing
>>
>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows
>> (most probably something with graphics/overlay)
>>
>> */"when I transfer the screen in the
>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears"/* -
>> right now this icon blinks to attract user's
>> attention
>>
>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why
>> user can close it any time and re-open by
>> clicking same icon
>>
>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I try to share a program.
>>
>> With an older Delphi-program its not
>> possible, the client only receive a
>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no
>> problem, when I select the
>> whole screen it works. Its not the best
>> solution, but it works.
>>
>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
>> screen in the
>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the
>> person who view the
>> presentation have to click on it and allow
>> the question.
>> In germany no user click on an question to
>> allow anything - I have a big
>> problem with it.
>> Many persons not find the icon (right top
>> corner is difficult to find)
>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>
>> Please, can you find a solution that the
>> sharing-window appears without
>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show
>> what he want.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>> --
>>
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>
>>
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello,
thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into
the admin-configuration.
@Maxim: What do you mean?
Best regards,
René
Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:
> Hi,
> I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different
> use cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential
> users.
> Best regards
> Ed
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
> *Von:* "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> *Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop
>
> Hello Friends,
>
> Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
> configuration
>
> Automatic
>
> Manual (default)
>
> Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users
> that use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
>
> Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition
> to screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will
> slow down the other features.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Hemant K. Sabat
>
> www.Coscend.com <http://www.coscend.com/>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare,
> Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail
> Messages from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted
> at:http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html
> <http://www.coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html>
>
> *From:*Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
> *To:* Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop
>
> We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> For me its important .
>
> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
> something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> It is definitely possible
>
> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be
> OK to make this change?
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is
> it possible to bring the shared program on screen without
> mouse-click?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say
> that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.
>
> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me).
> The most users of present are so sensitized that they
> not click.
> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I
> want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The
> remote-access is not the
> problem, they need help, its the question (under
> windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow
> the access.
> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of
> users refuse to click on "Yes".
> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of
> their organisations give directives to not-click in a
> browser on anything
> which is not well known.
>
> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
> sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give
> it free. In my opinion
> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and
> the user looking without interaction.
>
> Whats the meaning of the other?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>
> */"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
> client only receive a black screen"/* - actually
> browser performs screen-sharing
>
> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows
> (most probably something with graphics/overlay)
>
> */"when I transfer the screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears"/* -
> right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>
> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why
> user can close it any time and re-open by clicking
> same icon
>
> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I try to share a program.
>
> With an older Delphi-program its not possible,
> the client only receive a
> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no
> problem, when I select the
> whole screen it works. Its not the best
> solution, but it works.
>
> One thing that bother is when I transfer the
> screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> I (moderator) have to communicate that the
> person who view the
> presentation have to click on it and allow the
> question.
> In germany no user click on an question to
> allow anything - I have a big
> problem with it.
> Many persons not find the icon (right top
> corner is difficult to find)
> or they dont allow and switch off.
>
> Please, can you find a solution that the
> sharing-window appears without
> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show
> what he want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> --
>
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
> --
>
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>
>
Aw: RE: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by BBS Technik <do...@gmx.de>.
Hi,
I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different use
cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.
Best regards
Ed
**Gesendet:** Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
**Von:** "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>
**An:** user@openmeetings.apache.org
**Betreff:** RE: sharing programs/desktop
Hello Friends,
Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin ->
configuration
Automatic
Manual (default)
Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that use
it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to screen
sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down the other
features.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Hemant K. Sabat
[www.Coscend.com](http://www.coscend.com/)
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**From:** Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
**Sent:** Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
**To:** Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
**Subject:** Re: sharing programs/desktop
We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <[rene.scholz@abakus-edv-
systems.de](mailto:rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de)> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> For me its important .
>
> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rene
>
>
> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>>
>>
>> It is definitely possible
>>
>> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
this change?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, Rene Scholz <[rene.scholz@abakus-edv-
systems.de](mailto:rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de)> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>
> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>
> With best regards,
>
> Rene
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>
> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
whole screen is OK.
>
> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
present are so sensitized that they not click.
> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start from
TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click
on "Yes".
> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> which is not well known.
>
> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
without interaction.
>
> Whats the meaning of the other?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rene
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Rene,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **_" older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
black screen"_** \- actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
with graphics/overlay)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **_" when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-
icon appears"_** \- right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>>>>>
>>>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, Rene Scholz <[rene.scholz@abakus-edv-
systems.de](mailto:rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
>
> I try to share a program.
>
> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>
> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
> problem with it.
> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
> or they dont allow and switch off.
>
> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rene
>
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> \--
>>>>>
>>>>> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> \--
>>
>> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
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RE: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "Coscend@OM" <OM...@Coscend.com>.
Hello Friends,
Here is a thought. Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin -> configuration
Automatic
Manual (default)
Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users that use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.
Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to screen sharing. Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down the other features.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Hemant K. Sabat
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From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax666@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
To: Openmeetings user-list <us...@openmeetings.apache.org>
Subject: Re: sharing programs/desktop
We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:
Hello,
I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .
Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
Best regards,
René
Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
Hello Rene,
It is definitely possible
I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make this change?
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:
Hello Maxim,
I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
With best regards,
René
Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
Hello Maxim,
with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.
With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of present are so sensitized that they not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click on "Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
which is not well known.
When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking without interaction.
Whats the meaning of the other?
Best regards,
René
Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
Hello Rene,
I'll try to answer point by point :)
"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black screen" - actually browser performs screen-sharing
So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something with graphics/overlay)
"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon appears" - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any time and re-open by clicking same icon
Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:
Hello Maxim,
I try to share a program.
With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
black screen. We have this one year ago and
you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
problem with it.
Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
or they dont allow and switch off.
Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
Best regards,
René
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
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Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections ....
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> For me its important .
>
> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> It is definitely possible
> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
> this change?
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
>> whole screen is OK.
>>
>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click
>> on "Yes".
>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> which is not well known.
>>
>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>> without interaction.
>>
>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>
>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
>> with graphics/overlay)
>>
>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I try to share a program.
>>>
>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>
>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>>> problem with it.
>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>
>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello,
I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .
Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
Best regards,
René
Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Hello Rene,
>
> It is definitely possible
> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to
> make this change?
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
> possible to bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
>> sharing the whole screen is OK.
>>
>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
>> users of present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
>> remote-access with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
>> start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse
>> to click on "Yes".
>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
>> organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> which is not well known.
>>
>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
>> sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give it free. In
>> my opinion
>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
>> looking without interaction.
>>
>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>> Hello Rene,
>>>
>>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>>
>>> */"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>>> receive a black screen"/* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>>> something with graphics/overlay)
>>>
>>> */"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>>> sharing-icon appears"/* - right now this icon blinks to attract
>>> user's attention
>>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
>>> it any time and re-open by clicking same icon
>>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
>>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I try to share a program.
>>>
>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client
>>> only receive a
>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when
>>> I select the
>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>
>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything -
>>> I have a big
>>> problem with it.
>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is
>>> difficult to find)
>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>
>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window
>>> appears without
>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Rene,
It is definitely possible
I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
this change?
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
> whole screen is OK.
>
> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
> present are so sensitized that they not click.
> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to click
> on "Yes".
> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> which is not well known.
>
> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
> without interaction.
>
> Whats the meaning of the other?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>
> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
> with graphics/overlay)
>
> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
> time and re-open by clicking same icon
> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
> rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I try to share a program.
>>
>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>
>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>> problem with it.
>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>
>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
With best regards,
René
Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
> the whole screen is OK.
>
> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users
> of present are so sensitized that they not click.
> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
> remote-access with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
> click on "Yes".
> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
> organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
> which is not well known.
>
> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
> without interaction.
>
> Whats the meaning of the other?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>
>> */"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>> black screen"/* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
>> something with graphics/overlay)
>>
>> */"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
>> sharing-icon appears"/* - right now this icon blinks to attract
>> user's attention
>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it
>> any time and re-open by clicking same icon
>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
>> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
>> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I try to share a program.
>>
>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
>> receive a
>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
>> select the
>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>
>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I
>> have a big
>> problem with it.
>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
>> find)
>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>
>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
>> without
>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing
the whole screen is OK.
With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
present are so sensitized that they not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable. Some of users refuse to
click on "Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
which is not well known.
When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
without interaction.
Whats the meaning of the other?
Best regards,
René
Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> Hello Rene,
>
> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>
> */"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> black screen"/* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
> something with graphics/overlay)
>
> */"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
> sharing-icon appears"/* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's
> attention
> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it
> any time and re-open by clicking same icon
> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I try to share a program.
>
> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
> receive a
> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I
> select the
> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>
> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have
> a big
> problem with it.
> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to
> find)
> or they dont allow and switch off.
>
> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears
> without
> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
Re: sharing programs/desktop
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Rene,
I'll try to answer point by point :)
*"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
with graphics/overlay)
*"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
time and re-open by clicking same icon
Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> I try to share a program.
>
> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
> black screen. We have this one year ago and
> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>
> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
> problem with it.
> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
> or they dont allow and switch off.
>
> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
sharing programs/desktop
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
I try to share a program.
With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
black screen. We have this one year ago and
you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
problem with it.
Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
or they dont allow and switch off.
Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
Best regards,
René
Re: Settings: Topbar
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Rene,
Right now all options are for everyone in the room
Room config extremely complicated already :(
Screen sharing window can be
1 closed (minimized to icon)
2 resized
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 18:06 René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello Maxim,
>
> when I switch off the moderator have not this options, too.
> No way?
>
> And: Is it possible to minimize the Screen-Sharing-window?
> When I start the sharing it must be still open.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 02.09.2019 um 12:43 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> There is one good option on topbar: exit button ....
> You can turn off polls and action menu
> That's it
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 17:21 René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want that the moderator see the Topbar to make actions, polls and so on.
>> But the viewer may not see the Topbar - they are ony viewer to "view the
>> presentation".
>> (They have nothing do to with the Topbar.)
>>
>> How can I configure this?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>
Re: Settings: Topbar
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Maxim,
when I switch off the moderator have not this options, too.
No way?
And: Is it possible to minimize the Screen-Sharing-window?
When I start the sharing it must be still open.
Best regards,
René
Am 02.09.2019 um 12:43 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> There is one good option on topbar: exit button ....
> You can turn off polls and action menu
> That's it
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 17:21 René Scholz
> <rene.scholz@abakus-edv-systems.de
> <ma...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want that the moderator see the Topbar to make actions, polls
> and so on.
> But the viewer may not see the Topbar - they are ony viewer to
> "view the
> presentation".
> (They have nothing do to with the Topbar.)
>
> How can I configure this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
Re: Settings: Topbar
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
There is one good option on topbar: exit button ....
You can turn off polls and action menu
That's it
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 17:21 René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want that the moderator see the Topbar to make actions, polls and so on.
> But the viewer may not see the Topbar - they are ony viewer to "view the
> presentation".
> (They have nothing do to with the Topbar.)
>
> How can I configure this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
Settings: Topbar
Posted by René Scholz <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello,
I want that the moderator see the Topbar to make actions, polls and so on.
But the viewer may not see the Topbar - they are ony viewer to "view the
presentation".
(They have nothing do to with the Topbar.)
How can I configure this?
Best regards,
René
Re: Install Kurento on Ubuntu 19.04
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
This is contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kurento.list
at my Ubuntu 19 (`mirror.yandex.ru/ubuntu` is official ubuntu mirror, can
be replaced with closest to your location)
deb [arch=amd64] http://mirror.yandex.ru/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted
deb [arch=amd64] http://mirror.yandex.ru/ubuntu/ bionic universe
deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.11.0 bionic kms6
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Stefan Kühl <st...@quatrekuehl.eu> wrote:
> Hey René,
>
> yes, That's true. As far as I can judge the package for 6.11 isn't
> released right now.
>
> Github did not list it in the changelog. Source:
> https://github.com/Kurento/kurento-media-server/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md
>
> so far I would check if it works with the old distro name.
>
> But take care of your installation.
>
> Greetz
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> Am 29.08.2019 17:27, schrieb R. Scholz:
>
> Hello Stefan,
>
> thank you for the hint.
>
> I had found this docu, but before I can make this command I have to
> implement the environment-variable "$DISTRO".
> In the docu there is only a value for Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 in the doc.
>
> # Run ONLY ONE of these lines:DISTRO="xenial" # KMS for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial)DISTRO="bionic" # KMS for Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic)
>
> But whats the value for 19.04? I try "disco" - but there I get errors that
> dependencies cant be solved.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
>
> Am 29.08.2019 um 17:12 schrieb Stefan Kühl:
>
> Hi René,
>
> please try:
>
>
> sudo tee "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/kurento.list" >/dev/null <<EOF
> # Kurento Media Server - Release packages
> deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.11.0 $DISTRO kms6
> EOF
>
> But also Check the whole process at
>
> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/installation.html
>
> Looking for "Local Installation"
>
> Greetz
>
> Stefan
>
> Am 29.08.2019 15:48, schrieb René Scholz:
>
> Hello,
>
> I try to install the newest OM5-M3 on the newest Ubuntu 19.04.
>
> Have anybody an idea what I have to insert in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 is was the line
> *deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0
> <http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0> bionic kms6*
>
> Actually the newest Kurento-version is the 6.11.0.
> What I have to insert?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
>
>
--
WBR
Maxim aka solomax
Re: Install Kurento on Ubuntu 19.04
Posted by Stefan Kühl <st...@quatrekuehl.eu>.
Hey René,
yes, That's true. As far as I can judge the package for 6.11 isn't
released right now.
Github did not list it in the changelog. Source:
https://github.com/Kurento/kurento-media-server/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md
so far I would check if it works with the old distro name.
But take care of your installation.
Greetz
Stefan
Am 29.08.2019 17:27, schrieb R. Scholz:
> Hello Stefan,
>
> thank you for the hint.
>
> I had found this docu, but before I can make this command I have to implement the environment-variable "$DISTRO".
> In the docu there is only a value for Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 in the doc.
>
> # Run ONLY ONE of these lines:
> DISTRO="xenial" # KMS for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial)
> DISTRO="bionic" # KMS for Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic)
> But whats the value for 19.04? I try "disco" - but there I get errors that dependencies cant be solved.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
> Am 29.08.2019 um 17:12 schrieb Stefan Kühl:
>
> Hi René,
>
> please try:
>
> sudo tee "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/kurento.list" >/dev/null <<EOF
> # Kurento Media Server - Release packages
> deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.11.0 $DISTRO kms6
> EOF
>
> But also Check the whole process at
>
> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/installation.html
>
> Looking for "Local Installation"
>
> Greetz
>
> Stefan
>
> Am 29.08.2019 15:48, schrieb René Scholz: Hello,
>
> I try to install the newest OM5-M3 on the newest Ubuntu 19.04.
>
> Have anybody an idea what I have to insert in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 is was the line
> _deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0 bionic kms6_
>
> Actually the newest Kurento-version is the 6.11.0.
> What I have to insert?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René
Re: Install Kurento on Ubuntu 19.04
Posted by "R. Scholz" <re...@abakus-edv-systems.de>.
Hello Stefan,
thank you for the hint.
I had found this docu, but before I can make this command I have to
implement the environment-variable "$DISTRO".
In the docu there is only a value for Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 in the doc.
# Run ONLY ONE of these lines:
DISTRO="xenial" # KMS for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial)
DISTRO="bionic" # KMS for Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic)
But whats the value for 19.04? I try "disco" - but there I get errors
that dependencies cant be solved.
Best regards,
René
Am 29.08.2019 um 17:12 schrieb Stefan Kühl:
>
> Hi René,
>
> please try:
>
> sudo tee "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/kurento.list" >/dev/null <<EOF
> # Kurento Media Server - Release packages
> deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.11.0 $DISTRO kms6
> EOF
>
> But also Check the whole process at
>
> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/installation.html
>
> Looking for "Local Installation"
>
> Greetz
>
> Stefan
>
> Am 29.08.2019 15:48, schrieb René Scholz:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I try to install the newest OM5-M3 on the newest Ubuntu 19.04.
>>
>> Have anybody an idea what I have to insert in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
>>
>> On Ubuntu 18.04 is was the line
>> /deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0 bionic kms6/
>>
>> Actually the newest Kurento-version is the 6.11.0.
>> What I have to insert?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
Re: Install Kurento on Ubuntu 19.04
Posted by Stefan Kühl <st...@quatrekuehl.eu>.
Hi René,
please try:
sudo tee "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/kurento.list" >/dev/null <<EOF
# Kurento Media Server - Release packages
deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.11.0 $DISTRO kms6
EOF
But also Check the whole process at
https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/user/installation.html
Looking for "Local Installation"
Greetz
Stefan
Am 29.08.2019 15:48, schrieb René Scholz:
> Hello,
>
> I try to install the newest OM5-M3 on the newest Ubuntu 19.04.
>
> Have anybody an idea what I have to insert in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 is was the line
> _deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.10.0 bionic kms6_
>
> Actually the newest Kurento-version is the 6.11.0.
> What I have to insert?
>
> With best regards,
>
> René