RE: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>]

Joe,

Based on activity and remarks I have observed on other Apache lists, I think that lessons have been taken from the collapse of the Corinthia podling although not addressed directly to the Corinthia situation.  

I looked at the postmortem template and find that it is not very suited to an Apache project, although some of the items might be responded to.  Also, Corinthia expired pretty-much during start-up. 

I have two reservations about engaging in a post mortem.  

 1. A key breakdown occurred around personnel issues/conficts that played out mainly on the private Podling Project Management Committee list among the project members and the mentors together.  Those matters deserve to remain private.  

 2. As a character in that drama, I must recuse myself from attempting any kind of assessment.

Bertrand may have something more useful to say based on his broad perspective on Apache projects and incubation of podlings.

Regards,

 - Dennis  




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slow Joe [mailto:slow.joe.777@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 14:48
> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling
> (was Re: FYI, I have subscribed to this list and to your private list)
> 
> > Forming a podling is difficult as if often starts with a team  that
> > hasn't necessarily chosen to work together. I bet the situation >
> would
> > have been very different if you guys had been able to meet in
> 
> > person,
> 
> > but in email that's quite hard.
> 
> > -Bertrand
> 
> 
> Hi Bertrand
> 
> I observed the meltdown of the Corinthia podling from a distance with
> some
> regret.
> 
> Since the project is now on the verge of withdrawal from the incubator,
> could you and Dennis consider whether it would be valuable to
> collaborate
> on a blame-free post-mortem describing the events which lead to the end
> of
> Corinthia.
> 
> (A template for a postmortem document is at
> https://lastbytes.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/a-postmortem-template/)
> 
> I would suggest that there are lessons for the Apache Project to learn
> from
> this event.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Joe

Re: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

Hi,

>> From: Slow Joe [mailto:slow.joe.777@gmail.com]
>> ...could you and Dennis consider whether it would be valuable to
>> collaborate on a blame-free post-mortem describing the events
>> which lead to the end of Corinthia...

I agree with Dennis' and Dave's comments.

I was also was involved too late in the process to make any meaningful comments.

-Bertrand

Re: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling

[Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>]

Hi -

I agree with Dennis and for similar reasons. A combination of personal issues and differences in concerns about when and how to handle the edges of legal policy occurred.

It became clear that the community was not a good fit with this "situation." The community "self deported". I use "" to indicate that others might use different words. I don't care to debate it, these are my current interpretations. I have no desire to "pull the scab" on this matter.

In addition a post mortem will have a sample size issue. Retirement is happening and this list is going away. The bulk of the community is long gone.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Based on activity and remarks I have observed on other Apache lists, I think that lessons have been taken from the collapse of the Corinthia podling although not addressed directly to the Corinthia situation.  
> 
> I looked at the postmortem template and find that it is not very suited to an Apache project, although some of the items might be responded to.  Also, Corinthia expired pretty-much during start-up. 
> 
> I have two reservations about engaging in a post mortem.  
> 
> 1. A key breakdown occurred around personnel issues/conficts that played out mainly on the private Podling Project Management Committee list among the project members and the mentors together.  Those matters deserve to remain private.  
> 
> 2. As a character in that drama, I must recuse myself from attempting any kind of assessment.
> 
> Bertrand may have something more useful to say based on his broad perspective on Apache projects and incubation of podlings.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Dennis  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Slow Joe [mailto:slow.joe.777@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 14:48
>> To: dev@corinthia.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Post mortem request for the handling of the Corinthia podling
>> (was Re: FYI, I have subscribed to this list and to your private list)
>> 
>>> Forming a podling is difficult as if often starts with a team  that
>>> hasn't necessarily chosen to work together. I bet the situation >
>> would
>>> have been very different if you guys had been able to meet in
>> 
>>> person,
>> 
>>> but in email that's quite hard.
>> 
>>> -Bertrand
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Bertrand
>> 
>> I observed the meltdown of the Corinthia podling from a distance with
>> some
>> regret.
>> 
>> Since the project is now on the verge of withdrawal from the incubator,
>> could you and Dennis consider whether it would be valuable to
>> collaborate
>> on a blame-free post-mortem describing the events which lead to the end
>> of
>> Corinthia.
>> 
>> (A template for a postmortem document is at
>> https://lastbytes.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/a-postmortem-template/)
>> 
>> I would suggest that there are lessons for the Apache Project to learn
>> from
>> this event.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Joe
>