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Posted to dev@any23.apache.org by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> on 2012/01/31 06:49:17 UTC
Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
...here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012
Please review, update and comment.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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Re: Semantic Web projects at Aapche
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 13/02/12 17:30, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> I thought I would let this thread settle for a bit but it seems that there
> is nothing happening with it. My initial feels are that this has happened
> not because people do not have opinions or something, but rather there are
> other factors at play such as a general feeling that we are moving towards
> a release pending the issues discussed elsewhere.
>
> How about we visit this one when we have pushed 0.7.0?
At least. In the ideal world, there might be one Java API (even this is
arguable ... APIs reflect different system features ... lets skip that
for a bit).
Current code has made a choice, and current code works. So are current
apps going to change? Only at a very slow rate IMO - what's the
advantage to existing code?
Jena API on Sesame data as a bridge:
https://github.com/afs/JenaSesame
The reverse looks quite practical - Jena does have the facility to have
multiple presentation APIs over the storage abstraction of
Graph/Triple/Node.
There is a related issue in common access to facilities like storage and
SPARQL execution (which are big investments) but now the scope is
getting larger.
Andy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Andy Seaborne<an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/February2012<http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012>
>>>>
>>>
>> [[
>> We still need to discuss Paolo Castagna's points regarding the
>> integration of more of the 'semantic web' projects which exist at Apache.
>> ]]
>>
>> Hi there - happened to notice that comment in your report. As a committer
>> on one such project (Jena), I hope you don't mind me chipping in.
>>
>> Integration is good when it improves the user experience (by, e.g. not
>> forcing unnecessary choices of API, making a richer environment of code to
>> use, making things easier to install, ....) or if integration makes
>> contributors lives easier or means a contribution is more widely used
>> (including our own :-). It's "less good" if it leads to dependencies
>> between projects causing friction or even unvoiced false expectations on
>> either side as to who is doing what for whom.
>>
>> Are there specific ways we can help each other? If we can find something
>> concrete, I think we can have better integration and benefit us all.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
>
>
Re: Semantic Web projects at Aapche
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Andy,
I thought I would let this thread settle for a bit but it seems that there
is nothing happening with it. My initial feels are that this has happened
not because people do not have opinions or something, but rather there are
other factors at play such as a general feeling that we are moving towards
a release pending the issues discussed elsewhere.
How about we visit this one when we have pushed 0.7.0?
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> http://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/February2012<http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012>
>>>
>>
> [[
> We still need to discuss Paolo Castagna's points regarding the
> integration of more of the 'semantic web' projects which exist at Apache.
> ]]
>
> Hi there - happened to notice that comment in your report. As a committer
> on one such project (Jena), I hope you don't mind me chipping in.
>
> Integration is good when it improves the user experience (by, e.g. not
> forcing unnecessary choices of API, making a richer environment of code to
> use, making things easier to install, ....) or if integration makes
> contributors lives easier or means a contribution is more widely used
> (including our own :-). It's "less good" if it leads to dependencies
> between projects causing friction or even unvoiced false expectations on
> either side as to who is doing what for whom.
>
> Are there specific ways we can help each other? If we can find something
> concrete, I think we can have better integration and benefit us all.
>
> Andy
>
--
*Lewis*
Semantic Web projects at Aapche
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012
[[
We still need to discuss Paolo Castagna's points regarding the
integration of more of the 'semantic web' projects which exist at Apache.
]]
Hi there - happened to notice that comment in your report. As a
committer on one such project (Jena), I hope you don't mind me chipping in.
Integration is good when it improves the user experience (by, e.g. not
forcing unnecessary choices of API, making a richer environment of code
to use, making things easier to install, ....) or if integration makes
contributors lives easier or means a contribution is more widely used
(including our own :-). It's "less good" if it leads to dependencies
between projects causing friction or even unvoiced false expectations on
either side as to who is doing what for whom.
Are there specific ways we can help each other? If we can find
something concrete, I think we can have better integration and benefit
us all.
Andy
Re: Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
nice, thanks Chris! +1.
Tommaso
2012/1/31 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>
> ...here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012
>
> Please review, update and comment.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
Re: Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
Posted by Michele Mostarda <mi...@gmail.com>.
That's perfect, thanks Chris.
The best.
Mic
On 1 February 2012 07:36, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:
> I couldn't do better Chris, thanks - also for the kind words!
> -Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney
> <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Report is a true reflection of the state of affairs and although there
> > don't seem to be people coming over to the any23-dev@ list yet we are
> > definitely moving in the right direction.
> >
> >
> >> Question: is there much material available elsewhere for the
> >> website, or is most of what exists either @apache or
> >> definitely not coming? That might be worth a line in the
> >> report.
> >>
> > Hi Nick, I think that this is everything... does anyone know of any
> > existing documentation which has not been added to Apache Any23 incubator
> > site?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regarding committers, one individual was discussed. I hope
> >> it wasn't my comment that caused that discussion to peter out!
> >> The discussion looked likely to lead to success in a [VOTE].
> >>
> >> Yeah we discussed this, I would please like to add the following.
> >
> > There seemed to be broad consensus on whether to hold a VOTE on this
> topic,
> > and no I don't think it was your comment that stemmed that flow, I think
> we
> > all just let it slip a bit. I've taken this conversation elsewhere,
> thanks
> > for brining this up again Nick.
> >
> > --
> > *Lewis*
>
--
Michele Mostarda
Senior Software Engineer
skype: michele.mostarda
twitter: micmos
mail: me@michelemostarda.com
site : http://www.michelemostarda.com
Re: Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
I couldn't do better Chris, thanks - also for the kind words!
-Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
http://www.99soft.org/
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney
<le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Report is a true reflection of the state of affairs and although there
> don't seem to be people coming over to the any23-dev@ list yet we are
> definitely moving in the right direction.
>
>
>> Question: is there much material available elsewhere for the
>> website, or is most of what exists either @apache or
>> definitely not coming? That might be worth a line in the
>> report.
>>
> Hi Nick, I think that this is everything... does anyone know of any
> existing documentation which has not been added to Apache Any23 incubator
> site?
>
>
>>
>> Regarding committers, one individual was discussed. I hope
>> it wasn't my comment that caused that discussion to peter out!
>> The discussion looked likely to lead to success in a [VOTE].
>>
>> Yeah we discussed this, I would please like to add the following.
>
> There seemed to be broad consensus on whether to hold a VOTE on this topic,
> and no I don't think it was your comment that stemmed that flow, I think we
> all just let it slip a bit. I've taken this conversation elsewhere, thanks
> for brining this up again Nick.
>
> --
> *Lewis*
Re: Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi Guys,
Report is a true reflection of the state of affairs and although there
don't seem to be people coming over to the any23-dev@ list yet we are
definitely moving in the right direction.
> Question: is there much material available elsewhere for the
> website, or is most of what exists either @apache or
> definitely not coming? That might be worth a line in the
> report.
>
Hi Nick, I think that this is everything... does anyone know of any
existing documentation which has not been added to Apache Any23 incubator
site?
>
> Regarding committers, one individual was discussed. I hope
> it wasn't my comment that caused that discussion to peter out!
> The discussion looked likely to lead to success in a [VOTE].
>
> Yeah we discussed this, I would please like to add the following.
There seemed to be broad consensus on whether to hold a VOTE on this topic,
and no I don't think it was your comment that stemmed that flow, I think we
all just let it slip a bit. I've taken this conversation elsewhere, thanks
for brining this up again Nick.
--
*Lewis*
Re: Stub Incubator report added for February 2012
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:49:17 -0800
"Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> ...here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012
>
> Please review, update and comment.
Indeed, the big event seems to have been the arrival of code
and associated activity. Well done folks!
Question: is there much material available elsewhere for the
website, or is most of what exists either @apache or
definitely not coming? That might be worth a line in the
report.
Regarding committers, one individual was discussed. I hope
it wasn't my comment that caused that discussion to peter out!
The discussion looked likely to lead to success in a [VOTE].
--
Nick Kew