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Posted to dev@shindig.apache.org by Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com> on 2008/02/21 14:43:23 UTC
Shindig Release Timeline
Hi All,
I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime soon.
I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or something?
Thanks!
--
It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would have
killed myself.
- Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" <fi...@google.com>.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 13:29 -0600, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> > > towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
> >
> > I'd have to disagree.
> >
> > > I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work. But
> > > that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
> >
> > With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
> > Running a productive project is important.
> >
> > > * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
> >
> > >From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
> > the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
> > Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
> > importance of doing things the Apache way.
> >
> > > * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
> >
> > This is something that needs work.
> >
> > > * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
> > >
> > > * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> > > vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
> >
> > > These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> > > help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> > > significant, and hardest to resolve.
> >
> > It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
> >
> > that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
> > would be useful to discuss them here.
>
> No, I don't have any particular concerns. I am amazed at the amount of
> traffic on this list. There's no way I can keep up with it.
>
> I didn't intend (even if I managed to) to belittle the development work
> that is going on. You said it better, this does contribute towards a
> move towards graduation, but not in a big way.
>
> All I wanted to say is that the committer balance issue is, to my mind,
> the number one issue that Shindig is going to have to resolve during the
> course of its incubation. IP clearance, technical merit, adherance to
> ASF practices, etc, all seem to be in place (at least to some degree)
> already.
>
> Clearer?
Crystal clear, and I completely agree!
-Fitz
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 13:29 -0600, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> > towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
>
> I'd have to disagree.
>
> > I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work. But
> > that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
>
> With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
> Running a productive project is important.
>
> > * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
>
> >From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
> the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
> Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
> importance of doing things the Apache way.
>
> > * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
>
> This is something that needs work.
>
> > * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
> >
> > * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> > vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
>
> As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
>
> > These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> > help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> > significant, and hardest to resolve.
>
> It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
>
> that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
> would be useful to discuss them here.
No, I don't have any particular concerns. I am amazed at the amount of
traffic on this list. There's no way I can keep up with it.
I didn't intend (even if I managed to) to belittle the development work
that is going on. You said it better, this does contribute towards a
move towards graduation, but not in a big way.
All I wanted to say is that the committer balance issue is, to my mind,
the number one issue that Shindig is going to have to resolve during the
course of its incubation. IP clearance, technical merit, adherance to
ASF practices, etc, all seem to be in place (at least to some degree)
already.
Clearer?
Upayavira
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Santiago Gala <sa...@gmail.com>.
El lun, 25-02-2008 a las 13:29 -0600, Brian W. Fitzpatrick escribió:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> > towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
>
> I'd have to disagree.
>
> > I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work. But
> > that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
>
> With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
> Running a productive project is important.
>
+1. Also there are several persons not coming from google starting a
port to PHP.
> > * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
>
> >From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
> the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
> Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
> importance of doing things the Apache way.
>
+1, I see a very good atmosphere in the -dev list.
> > * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
>
> This is something that needs work.
>
There is a promising area in the development of containers in different
languages as java, there has been already some activity and I guess it
is only a matter of time.
> > * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
> >
> > * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> > vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
>
> As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
>
> > These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> > help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> > significant, and hardest to resolve.
>
> It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
>
> that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
> would be useful to discuss them here.
>
Agreed
> -Fitz
Regards
--
Santiago Gala
http://memojo.com/~sgala/blog/
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Bruno Bowden <br...@google.com>.
The license preamble on JSON is unmodified, as it should be. Assuming we
leave the license unmodified on other files do they retain their separate
status?
In JSON's case, the license is less restrictive than Apache License, though
it shares language for it's "AS IS" status.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fi...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> > > towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
> >
> > I'd have to disagree.
> >
> > > I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work.
> > But
> > > that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
> >
> > With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
> > Running a productive project is important.
> >
> > > * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
> >
> > From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
> > the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
> > Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
> > importance of doing things the Apache way.
> >
> > > * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been
> reduced?
> >
> > This is something that needs work.
> >
> > > * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
> > >
> > > * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> > > vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
>
>
> We do have a few static snapshots of code from other projects (mostly
> because there was no way to pull them in from maven or another simple
> mechanism). Off the top of my head I know of jquery and caja being used.
> Do
> we need to do anything special here, or are we ok as long as the licenses
> are compatible?
>
>
> >
> > > These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> > > help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> > > significant, and hardest to resolve.
> >
> > It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
> >
> > that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
> > would be useful to discuss them here.
> >
> > -Fitz
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~Kevin
>
> If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your mail
> account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down the
> building that you're in.
>
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Brian W. Fitzpatrick <fi...@google.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> > towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
>
> I'd have to disagree.
>
> > I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work.
> But
> > that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
>
> With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
> Running a productive project is important.
>
> > * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
>
> From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
> the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
> Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
> importance of doing things the Apache way.
>
> > * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
>
> This is something that needs work.
>
> > * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
> >
> > * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> > vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
>
> As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
We do have a few static snapshots of code from other projects (mostly
because there was no way to pull them in from maven or another simple
mechanism). Off the top of my head I know of jquery and caja being used. Do
we need to do anything special here, or are we ok as long as the licenses
are compatible?
>
> > These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> > help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> > significant, and hardest to resolve.
>
> It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
>
> that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
> would be useful to discuss them here.
>
> -Fitz
>
--
~Kevin
If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your mail
account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down the
building that you're in.
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" <fi...@google.com>.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
> towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
I'd have to disagree.
> I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work. But
> that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
With my apache hat on, I disagree. It counts, but not in a big way.
Running a productive project is important.
> * Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
>From what I can see, it looks pretty good so far. I spoke with all of
the Google devs who are working on Shindig before it even entered the
Incubator, and I'm reasonably sure that they get it and understand the
importance of doing things the Apache way.
> * Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
This is something that needs work.
> * Has all IP been checked and cleared?
>
> * Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
> vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
As far as I can tell, the IP has been completely vetted and contributed.
> These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
> help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
> significant, and hardest to resolve.
It always is on projects that spring out of a single company :-)
that said, if you have any specific concerns with examples, I think it
would be useful to discuss them here.
-Fitz
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
Dan,
Not to be picky, but I don't yet see much that counts as progress
towards graduation - not that that is a bad thing, at this point.
I see a _huge_ amount of traffic, clearly a lot of development work. But
that does not count on iota towards graduation, in itself.
* Are folks collaborating according to the Apache way?
* Has the strong bias towards Google amongst committers been reduced?
* Has all IP been checked and cleared?
* Has the project made a suitable incubator based release? (for IP
vetting purposes, not necessarily for public consumption)
These are a few of the issues that occur to me immediately that would
help towards graduation, with the second likely being the most
significant, and hardest to resolve.
Regards, Upayavira
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 15:39 -0800, Dan Peterson wrote:
> We're making good progress, so +1 to less than the norm ;)
>
> -Dan
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Brian McCallister <br...@skife.org> wrote:
>
> > Incubation has no fixed timeline, but 6 months to a year is typical.
> >
> > I hope we can make a release before then!
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ok.. Thanks Kevin for the information..
> > >
> > > Can I expect Shindig to graduate from the incubator any time soon?
> > > Or does it need a little more time, say 1 or 2 months or so, to
> > incubate?
> > >
> > > Thanks again!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases
> > at
> > > > this point in time.
> > > >
> > > > When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular
> > > > releases
> > > > several times a year much like any other apache project.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <neoxlaws@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime
> > soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or
> > > > something?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> > > > have
> > > > > killed myself.
> > > > > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ~Kevin
> > > >
> > > > If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your
> > > mail
> > > > account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down
> > > the
> > > > building that you're in.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> > have
> > > killed myself.
> > > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> > >
> >
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Dan Peterson <dp...@google.com>.
We're making good progress, so +1 to less than the norm ;)
-Dan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Brian McCallister <br...@skife.org> wrote:
> Incubation has no fixed timeline, but 6 months to a year is typical.
>
> I hope we can make a release before then!
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ok.. Thanks Kevin for the information..
> >
> > Can I expect Shindig to graduate from the incubator any time soon?
> > Or does it need a little more time, say 1 or 2 months or so, to
> incubate?
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases
> at
> > > this point in time.
> > >
> > > When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular
> > > releases
> > > several times a year much like any other apache project.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <neoxlaws@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime
> soon.
> > > >
> > > > I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or
> > > something?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> > > have
> > > > killed myself.
> > > > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~Kevin
> > >
> > > If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your
> > mail
> > > account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down
> > the
> > > building that you're in.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> have
> > killed myself.
> > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> >
>
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@skife.org>.
Incubation has no fixed timeline, but 6 months to a year is typical.
I hope we can make a release before then!
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ok.. Thanks Kevin for the information..
>
> Can I expect Shindig to graduate from the incubator any time soon?
> Or does it need a little more time, say 1 or 2 months or so, to incubate?
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
>
> > Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases at
> > this point in time.
> >
> > When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular
> > releases
> > several times a year much like any other apache project.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime soon.
> > >
> > > I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or
> > something?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> > have
> > > killed myself.
> > > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~Kevin
> >
> > If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your
> mail
> > account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down
> the
> > building that you're in.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would have
> killed myself.
> - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
>
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>.
Ok.. Thanks Kevin for the information..
Can I expect Shindig to graduate from the incubator any time soon?
Or does it need a little more time, say 1 or 2 months or so, to incubate?
Thanks again!
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Kevin Brown <et...@google.com> wrote:
> Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases at
> this point in time.
>
> When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular
> releases
> several times a year much like any other apache project.
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime soon.
> >
> > I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or
> something?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would
> have
> > killed myself.
> > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~Kevin
>
> If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your mail
> account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down the
> building that you're in.
>
--
It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would have
killed myself.
- Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
You do have the freedom to release from within the incubator. However,
that is as much an opportunity to confirm that the legals are in place
as much as to get code out to users - there are certain hurdles that
need to be handled in order to release from within the Incubator.
Regards, Upayavira
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 11:15 -0800, Kevin Brown wrote:
> Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases at
> this point in time.
>
> When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular releases
> several times a year much like any other apache project.
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime soon.
> >
> > I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or something?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would have
> > killed myself.
> > - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
> >
>
>
>
Re: Shindig Release Timeline
Posted by Kevin Brown <et...@google.com>.
Shindig is still in incubator phase, so we do not have fixed releases at
this point in time.
When we graduate from the incubator, we'll most likely have regular releases
several times a year much like any other apache project.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Franxis Magpantay <ne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to know if an updated Shindig will be released anytime soon.
>
> I'd also like to know if Shindig has a development timeline or something?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> It must suck to be human. If I was born a human (or as you), I would have
> killed myself.
> - Edelweiss, Sagashi-Ateru 2: Prisoners of Fate
>
--
~Kevin
If you received this email by mistake, please delete it, cancel your mail
account, destroy your hard drive, silence any witnesses, and burn down the
building that you're in.