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Effects
How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
Re: Effects
Posted by Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>.
OMHO, it's a feature NOT blocker.
When we get there, I will use it in specific cases (an effect that
transmits a message) but will not stop me from using Royale for sure.
Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> escreveu no dia quinta, 2/07/2020
à(s) 10:07:
> My opinion si Effects follow the Flex model and modern web seems better, so
> for that reason I was talking about CSS or Animation API
> I always try to see Royale as a technology that takes the best of Flex but
> drop the worst if there's something better....and take the best of HTML
> world
> I think we're getting that, and for me CSS and transitions is something
> that is better these days so we need to improve in that way.
> In Flex days we didn't had that, but that changed and so there's no reason
> to stick with an old model. At least Jewel will try to go to the newer
> practices.
> Just I think we need to end some core things that has higher priority
>
>
> El jue., 2 jul. 2020 a las 9:47, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> > Yeah. I don’t think it’s been used much. We had some transitions in our
> > Flex app, but when we modernized the UI in Royale, we dropped them.
> >
> > > On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I see that this feature is still very young on Royale.
> > > Also it's not the most important one and I can leave without it for
> now.
> > >
> > > I try a simple Resize effect (also happens with Fade) and both crash:
> > > Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'addEventListener' of null
> > > at Function.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.addTween (Tween.js:115)
> > > at
> > > org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.play
> > > (Tween.js:421)
> > > at org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.play (Resize.js:162)
> > > at framework.Form.minimize (Form.mxml:96)
> > > at framework.Form.$EH2 (Form.mxml:151)
> > > at Function.goog.events.fireListener [as googFireListener]
> > > (events.js:753)
> > > at Object.org.apache.royale.core.ElementWrapper.fireListenerOverride
> > > [as fireListener] (ElementWrapper.js:62)
> > > at HTMLElement.goog.events.handleBrowserEvent_ (events.js:879)
> > > at HTMLElement.f (events.js:296)
> > >
> > > Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 1/07/2020 à(s)
> > 07:26:
> > >
> > >> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> > >> project.
> > >>
> > >> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
Re: Effects
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
My opinion si Effects follow the Flex model and modern web seems better, so
for that reason I was talking about CSS or Animation API
I always try to see Royale as a technology that takes the best of Flex but
drop the worst if there's something better....and take the best of HTML
world
I think we're getting that, and for me CSS and transitions is something
that is better these days so we need to improve in that way.
In Flex days we didn't had that, but that changed and so there's no reason
to stick with an old model. At least Jewel will try to go to the newer
practices.
Just I think we need to end some core things that has higher priority
El jue., 2 jul. 2020 a las 9:47, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Yeah. I don’t think it’s been used much. We had some transitions in our
> Flex app, but when we modernized the UI in Royale, we dropped them.
>
> > On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I see that this feature is still very young on Royale.
> > Also it's not the most important one and I can leave without it for now.
> >
> > I try a simple Resize effect (also happens with Fade) and both crash:
> > Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'addEventListener' of null
> > at Function.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.addTween (Tween.js:115)
> > at
> > org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.play
> > (Tween.js:421)
> > at org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.play (Resize.js:162)
> > at framework.Form.minimize (Form.mxml:96)
> > at framework.Form.$EH2 (Form.mxml:151)
> > at Function.goog.events.fireListener [as googFireListener]
> > (events.js:753)
> > at Object.org.apache.royale.core.ElementWrapper.fireListenerOverride
> > [as fireListener] (ElementWrapper.js:62)
> > at HTMLElement.goog.events.handleBrowserEvent_ (events.js:879)
> > at HTMLElement.f (events.js:296)
> >
> > Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 1/07/2020 à(s)
> 07:26:
> >
> >> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> >> project.
> >>
> >> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
> >>
> >>
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Yeah. I don’t think it’s been used much. We had some transitions in our Flex app, but when we modernized the UI in Royale, we dropped them.
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:54 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see that this feature is still very young on Royale.
> Also it's not the most important one and I can leave without it for now.
>
> I try a simple Resize effect (also happens with Fade) and both crash:
> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'addEventListener' of null
> at Function.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.addTween (Tween.js:115)
> at
> org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.play
> (Tween.js:421)
> at org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.play (Resize.js:162)
> at framework.Form.minimize (Form.mxml:96)
> at framework.Form.$EH2 (Form.mxml:151)
> at Function.goog.events.fireListener [as googFireListener]
> (events.js:753)
> at Object.org.apache.royale.core.ElementWrapper.fireListenerOverride
> [as fireListener] (ElementWrapper.js:62)
> at HTMLElement.goog.events.handleBrowserEvent_ (events.js:879)
> at HTMLElement.f (events.js:296)
>
> Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 1/07/2020 à(s) 07:26:
>
>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
>> project.
>>
>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>>
>>
Re: Effects
Posted by Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>.
I see that this feature is still very young on Royale.
Also it's not the most important one and I can leave without it for now.
I try a simple Resize effect (also happens with Fade) and both crash:
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'addEventListener' of null
at Function.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.addTween (Tween.js:115)
at
org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.org.apache.royale.effects.Tween.play
(Tween.js:421)
at org.apache.royale.effects.Resize.play (Resize.js:162)
at framework.Form.minimize (Form.mxml:96)
at framework.Form.$EH2 (Form.mxml:151)
at Function.goog.events.fireListener [as googFireListener]
(events.js:753)
at Object.org.apache.royale.core.ElementWrapper.fireListenerOverride
[as fireListener] (ElementWrapper.js:62)
at HTMLElement.goog.events.handleBrowserEvent_ (events.js:879)
at HTMLElement.f (events.js:296)
Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 1/07/2020 à(s) 07:26:
> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> project.
>
> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>
>
Re: Effects
Posted by Andrew Wetmore <co...@gmail.com>.
Not necessary at this point. I was mainly curious, as it was a new term to
me.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:04 PM Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://github.com/royale-extras <https://github.com/royale-extras>
>
> I can add you to the org if you’d like.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Andrew Wetmore <co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The phrase "royale-extreas" went by on this thread or another one. What
> and
> > where is that?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:55 AM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Piotr,
> >>
> >> I don't know right now the internals of GSAP or other solutions, but my
> >> point is, no matter how good it's...is proprietary, so user can take it
> and
> >> use it in its projects, but we should not go that route, since Royale is
> >> Apache and OS.
> >>
> >> Then we can see performance. GSAP could be the most performant, but I
> >> think there's enough standard web solutions right now that are very good
> >> and we can use in the right way with a compatible license.
> >>
> >> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 16:15, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> >> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>)
> >> escribió:
> >>
> >>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>
> >>> It depends how good with implementation we can be vs. GSAP - I have no
> >> idea
> >>> how that library is build - Maybe it's using the same API as you are
> >> going
> >>> to use?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 3:58 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Harbs,
> >>>>
> >>>> Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not
> >> as
> >>>> performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring
> >> we
> >>>> keep on ALv2.
> >>>> I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days
> >>> with
> >>>> Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working
> >> on
> >>>> HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
> >>>> bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a
> >> good
> >>>> performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> >>>> escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
> >>>>> external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is
> >> not
> >>>>> strictly an Apache entity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
> >>>>> actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on
> >> getting
> >>>>> performance right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> >> carlosrovira@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cool,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> >>>>>> CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't
> >> bake
> >>>> it
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> the final App.css.
> >>>>>> So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> >>>>>> Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
> >>>>> although
> >>>>>> is clear that GSAP is better.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be
> >>>> some
> >>>>>> license issue? or we could use it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> >>>>> escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually
> >> perform.
> >>>> Web
> >>>>>>> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t
> >>> think
> >>>>>>> anything beats GSAP though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP
> >> performance
> >>>>> page
> >>>>>>> which is really useful for comparing different methods of
> >> animations
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> how well they perform:
> >>>>>>>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> >>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some
> >>> point.
> >>>>> For
> >>>>>>>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> >>>>>>>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding
> >>>> through
> >>>>>>> CSS
> >>>>>>>>> as other things done in Jewel.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<harbs.lists@gmail.com
> >>> )
> >>>>>>> escribió:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the
> >>>> “Effects”
> >>>>>>>>>> project.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <
> >>> hferreira.80@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc
> >> ...)
> >>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carlos Rovira
> >> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Wetmore
> >
> > http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
>
>
--
Andrew Wetmore
http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
https://github.com/royale-extras <https://github.com/royale-extras>
I can add you to the org if you’d like.
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Andrew Wetmore <co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The phrase "royale-extreas" went by on this thread or another one. What and
> where is that?
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:55 AM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Piotr,
>>
>> I don't know right now the internals of GSAP or other solutions, but my
>> point is, no matter how good it's...is proprietary, so user can take it and
>> use it in its projects, but we should not go that route, since Royale is
>> Apache and OS.
>>
>> Then we can see performance. GSAP could be the most performant, but I
>> think there's enough standard web solutions right now that are very good
>> and we can use in the right way with a compatible license.
>>
>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 16:15, Piotr Zarzycki (<
>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi Carlos,
>>>
>>> It depends how good with implementation we can be vs. GSAP - I have no
>> idea
>>> how that library is build - Maybe it's using the same API as you are
>> going
>>> to use?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Piotr
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 3:58 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Harbs,
>>>>
>>>> Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not
>> as
>>>> performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring
>> we
>>>> keep on ALv2.
>>>> I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days
>>> with
>>>> Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working
>> on
>>>> HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
>>>> bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a
>> good
>>>> performance.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
>>>>> external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is
>> not
>>>>> strictly an Apache entity.
>>>>>
>>>>> While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
>>>>> actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on
>> getting
>>>>> performance right.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <
>> carlosrovira@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
>>>>>> CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't
>> bake
>>>> it
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the final App.css.
>>>>>> So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
>>>>>> Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
>>>>> although
>>>>>> is clear that GSAP is better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be
>>>> some
>>>>>> license issue? or we could use it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually
>> perform.
>>>> Web
>>>>>>> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t
>>> think
>>>>>>> anything beats GSAP though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP
>> performance
>>>>> page
>>>>>>> which is really useful for comparing different methods of
>> animations
>>>> and
>>>>>>> how well they perform:
>>>>>>>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <
>>> carlosrovira@apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some
>>> point.
>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
>>>>>>>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding
>>>> through
>>>>>>> CSS
>>>>>>>>> as other things done in Jewel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<harbs.lists@gmail.com
>>> )
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the
>>>> “Effects”
>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <
>>> hferreira.80@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc
>> ...)
>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Wetmore
>
> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
Re: Effects
Posted by Andrew Wetmore <co...@gmail.com>.
The phrase "royale-extreas" went by on this thread or another one. What and
where is that?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:55 AM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi Piotr,
>
> I don't know right now the internals of GSAP or other solutions, but my
> point is, no matter how good it's...is proprietary, so user can take it and
> use it in its projects, but we should not go that route, since Royale is
> Apache and OS.
>
> Then we can see performance. GSAP could be the most performant, but I
> think there's enough standard web solutions right now that are very good
> and we can use in the right way with a compatible license.
>
> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 16:15, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > It depends how good with implementation we can be vs. GSAP - I have no
> idea
> > how that library is build - Maybe it's using the same API as you are
> going
> > to use?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 3:58 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Harbs,
> > >
> > > Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not
> as
> > > performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring
> we
> > > keep on ALv2.
> > > I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days
> > with
> > > Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working
> on
> > > HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
> > > bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a
> good
> > > performance.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > > Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
> > > >
> > > > The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
> > > > external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is
> not
> > > > strictly an Apache entity.
> > > >
> > > > While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
> > > > actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on
> getting
> > > > performance right.
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cool,
> > > > >
> > > > > I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> > > > > CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't
> bake
> > > it
> > > > in
> > > > > the final App.css.
> > > > > So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> > > > > Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
> > > > although
> > > > > is clear that GSAP is better.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be
> > > some
> > > > > license issue? or we could use it?
> > > > >
> > > > > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > > > escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually
> perform.
> > > Web
> > > > >> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t
> > think
> > > > >> anything beats GSAP though.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP
> performance
> > > > page
> > > > >> which is really useful for comparing different methods of
> animations
> > > and
> > > > >> how well they perform:
> > > > >>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> > carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some
> > point.
> > > > For
> > > > >>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> > > > >>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding
> > > through
> > > > >> CSS
> > > > >>>> as other things done in Jewel.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<harbs.lists@gmail.com
> >)
> > > > >> escribió:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the
> > > “Effects”
> > > > >>>>> project.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <
> > hferreira.80@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc
> ...)
> > ?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
--
Andrew Wetmore
http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
Re: Effects
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Piotr,
I don't know right now the internals of GSAP or other solutions, but my
point is, no matter how good it's...is proprietary, so user can take it and
use it in its projects, but we should not go that route, since Royale is
Apache and OS.
Then we can see performance. GSAP could be the most performant, but I
think there's enough standard web solutions right now that are very good
and we can use in the right way with a compatible license.
El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 16:15, Piotr Zarzycki (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> It depends how good with implementation we can be vs. GSAP - I have no idea
> how that library is build - Maybe it's using the same API as you are going
> to use?
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 3:58 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Harbs,
> >
> > Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not as
> > performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring we
> > keep on ALv2.
> > I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days
> with
> > Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working on
> > HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
> > bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a good
> > performance.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > escribió:
> >
> > > Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
> > >
> > > The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
> > > external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is not
> > > strictly an Apache entity.
> > >
> > > While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
> > > actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on getting
> > > performance right.
> > >
> > > > On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cool,
> > > >
> > > > I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> > > > CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't bake
> > it
> > > in
> > > > the final App.css.
> > > > So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> > > > Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
> > > although
> > > > is clear that GSAP is better.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be
> > some
> > > > license issue? or we could use it?
> > > >
> > > > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > >> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform.
> > Web
> > > >> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t
> think
> > > >> anything beats GSAP though.
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance
> > > page
> > > >> which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations
> > and
> > > >> how well they perform:
> > > >>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some
> point.
> > > For
> > > >>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> > > >>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding
> > through
> > > >> CSS
> > > >>>> as other things done in Jewel.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > > >> escribió:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the
> > “Effects”
> > > >>>>> project.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <
> hferreira.80@gmail.com
> > >
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...)
> ?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Carlos,
It depends how good with implementation we can be vs. GSAP - I have no idea
how that library is build - Maybe it's using the same API as you are going
to use?
Thanks,
Piotr
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 3:58 PM Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Harbs,
>
> Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not as
> performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring we
> keep on ALv2.
> I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days with
> Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working on
> HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
> bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a good
> performance.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
> > Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
> >
> > The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
> > external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is not
> > strictly an Apache entity.
> >
> > While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
> > actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on getting
> > performance right.
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Cool,
> > >
> > > I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> > > CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't bake
> it
> > in
> > > the final App.css.
> > > So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> > > Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
> > although
> > > is clear that GSAP is better.
> > >
> > > What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be
> some
> > > license issue? or we could use it?
> > >
> > > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > escribió:
> > >
> > >> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform.
> Web
> > >> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t think
> > >> anything beats GSAP though.
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance
> > page
> > >> which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations
> and
> > >> how well they perform:
> > >>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point.
> > For
> > >>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> > >>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding
> through
> > >> CSS
> > >>>> as other things done in Jewel.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> > >> escribió:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the
> “Effects”
> > >>>>> project.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hferreira.80@gmail.com
> >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
> >
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
Re: Effects
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Harbs,
Since GSAP is proprietary I prefer go another route, that could be not as
performant as GSAP, but I think we can sacrifice a bit there ensuring we
keep on ALv2.
I think what we really need in most effects is easy to get those days with
Animate API. I think it is more interesting to get Animate API working on
HTMLElement (that you already planned to do on royale extras) to avoid
bracket access, and we can get many effects working that way with a good
performance.
Thanks
El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 11:36, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
>
> The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s
> external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is not
> strictly an Apache entity.
>
> While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was
> actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on getting
> performance right.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cool,
> >
> > I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> > CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't bake it
> in
> > the final App.css.
> > So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> > Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options,
> although
> > is clear that GSAP is better.
> >
> > What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be some
> > license issue? or we could use it?
> >
> > El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
> >
> >> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform. Web
> >> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t think
> >> anything beats GSAP though.
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance
> page
> >> which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations and
> >> how well they perform:
> >>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point.
> For
> >>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> >>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through
> >> CSS
> >>>> as other things done in Jewel.
> >>>>
> >>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> >> escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> >>>>> project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Yes. GSAP is a proprietary license.
The cleanest way to add GSAP support would be with a library that’s external to Royale. We could even do that on royale-extras which is not strictly an Apache entity.
While GSAP support would be great for those who want to use it, I was actually suggesting to use the *lessons* from the GSAP page on getting performance right.
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Cool,
>
> I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
> CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't bake it in
> the final App.css.
> So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
> Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options, although
> is clear that GSAP is better.
>
> What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be some
> license issue? or we could use it?
>
> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform. Web
>> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t think
>> anything beats GSAP though.
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance page
>> which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations and
>> how well they perform:
>>> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point. For
>>>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
>>>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through
>> CSS
>>>> as other things done in Jewel.
>>>>
>>>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Cool,
I must say that actually we are not able to use animations in
CSS. @keyframe is compiling with no errors, but compiler doesn't bake it in
the final App.css.
So until that bug is solved I'm working just with Animation js API
Anyway, I think we need to solve that bug and give people options, although
is clear that GSAP is better.
What do you think about use GSAP as part of Royale Effects? will be some
license issue? or we could use it?
El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 9:53, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform. Web
> Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t think
> anything beats GSAP though.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance page
> which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations and
> how well they perform:
> > https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> >
> >> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point. For
> >> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> >> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through
> CSS
> >> as other things done in Jewel.
> >>
> >> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
> >>
> >>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> >>> project.
> >>>
> >>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carlos Rovira
> >> http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Most significantly, see how poorly css transitions actually perform. Web Animations seem to do much better than css transitions. I don’t think anything beats GSAP though.
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance page which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations and how well they perform:
> https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point. For
>> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
>> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through CSS
>> as other things done in Jewel.
>>
>> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
>>> project.
>>>
>>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
When and if we work on improved Effects, there’s a GSAP performance page which is really useful for comparing different methods of animations and how well they perform:
https://greensock.com/js/speed.html
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point. For
> now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
> For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through CSS
> as other things done in Jewel.
>
> El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
>> project.
>>
>> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>>
>>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
I have in mind to do something about Effects in Jewel at some point. For
now we have the Effects library already pointed by Harbs.
For Jewel my plan is to continue with the philosophy of adding through CSS
as other things done in Jewel.
El mié., 1 jul. 2020 a las 8:26, Harbs (<ha...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> project.
>
> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira
Re: Effects
Posted by Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>.
I will check that.
Thank you.
Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 1/07/2020 à(s) 07:26:
> Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects”
> project.
>
> See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?
>
>
Re: Effects
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
Take a look at the org.apache.royale.effects package in the “Effects” project.
See manualtests/EffectsExample for some sample usage.
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Hugo Ferreira <hf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How to apply a simple standard effect (ex: Fade, Zoom, etc ...) ?