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essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

                   Dear OO developers.
To save your and my forces and time - at once i say main and THE ONLY reason to NON-using of OO: its IMcompatibility with Microsoft Office"Math formula editor"!
Really - i am programmer-researcher and physicyst-resercher at www.lebedev.ru. All my work connected with my program software description texts and also with
scientific articles texts and also scientific conferences (Power Point Office) presentations ! And as you can see - i can not utilize your OO because of THIS THE ONLY reason yet!
It is needed and sufficient reason :   IMcompatibility with Microsoft Office"Math formula editor"!
Yes - you have resolved all other essential imcompatbilities with MS Office. 
But... this THE ONLY is essential to reject usage of OO for me and many many other potential users:
engeneers of all areas and scientists.
Please, make a  OO compatibility with Microsoft Office "Math formula editor" - first priority level for your developing !
With my best wishes to you, Sergey V. Mizin,
Ph.d. at www.lebedev.ru

Essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor. OO organized hijack of test, spread sheet etc. software...

Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.

What - when did the Internet get hijacked by near-do-wells?

You are one Italian talking to another Italian…
Stop being so damned impudent. Try reading and thinking first.

What the hell so confidential about MS OS blue screening??????
About all the bugs over the years in Office - admitted by Bill on TV.
when Steve was publicly providing input to the industry.

The Video is available to anyone that wishes to view it!!!!
Take care of yourself, first.

Where have you had your head Stuck?

Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.

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On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:43 PM, M. Fioretti <mf...@nexaima.net> wrote:

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 23:25:01 PM -0800, Dr Donald Zarlengo wrote:
> Great news. Bu my current major problem on my MacBook Pro...

excuse me, but..

may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
list (not to mention qsending confidentiality notices to a public
forum)? What has that "major problem on MacBook" to do with what
Sergey asked?

Marco

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Essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor. OO organized hijack of test, spread sheet etc. software...

Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.

What - when did the Internet get hijacked by near-do-wells?

You are one Italian talking to another Italian…
Stop being so damned impudent. Try reading and thinking first.

What the hell so confidential about MS OS blue screening??????
About all the bugs over the years in Office - admitted by Bill on TV.
when Steve was publicly providing input to the industry.

The Video is available to anyone that wishes to view it!!!!
Take care of yourself, first.

Where have you had your head Stuck?

Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.

On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:43 PM, M. Fioretti <mf...@nexaima.net> wrote:

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 23:25:01 PM -0800, Dr Donald Zarlengo wrote:
> Great news. Bu my current major problem on my MacBook Pro...

excuse me, but..

Marco

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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 23:25:01 PM -0800, Dr Donald Zarlengo wrote:
> Great news. Bu my current major problem on my MacBook Pro...

excuse me, but..

may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
list (not to mention qsending confidentiality notices to a public
forum)? What has that "major problem on MacBook" to do with what
Sergey asked?

       Marco

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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.

Put users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org in the To field of a mail and send it.

Hagar


Le 14/11/2013 06:58, Yolanda Lowery a écrit :

> How  do I do that? Thanks for your answer.
>
>
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> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
> Glendale, California 91201
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
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> On 11/13/2013 2:46 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
>> No. It is me that wants to unsub. Thanks for asking. Please tell me what else I need to do.
>>
>> Thanks,
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>>
>> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
>> Glendale, California 91201
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>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>     From: Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>>
>>
>> Yolanda,
>>
>> are you trying to ask for getting unsubscribed yourself or are you
>> giving somebody else a hint how to do that?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 11/13/2013 11:40 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
>>> users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
>>> Glendale, California 91201
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>       From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
>>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
>>>> "M. Fioretti":
>>>>
>>>> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
>>>> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
>>>> list...
>>>>
>>>> It's just seasonal relapse.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that
>>> level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.
>>>
>>>
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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Yolanda Lowery <en...@att.net>.

How  do I do that? Thanks for your answer.


 
Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
Glendale, California 91201




________________________________
 From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
To: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
 

e-mail the address you included in the OP


On 11/13/2013 2:46 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
> No. It is me that wants to unsub. Thanks for asking. Please tell me what else I need to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>  
> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
> Glendale, California 91201
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>  
>
> Yolanda,
>
> are you trying to ask for getting unsubscribed yourself or are you
> giving somebody else a hint how to do that?
>
> Peter
>
> On 11/13/2013 11:40 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
>> users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>>
>> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
>> Glendale, California 91201
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>     From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
>>> "M. Fioretti":
>>>
>>> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
>>> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
>>> list...
>>>
>>> It's just seasonal relapse.
>>>
>>
>> Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that
>> level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>.

e-mail the address you included in the OP


On 11/13/2013 2:46 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
> No. It is me that wants to unsub. Thanks for asking. Please tell me what else I need to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>   
> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
> Glendale, California 91201
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>   
>
> Yolanda,
>
> are you trying to ask for getting unsubscribed yourself or are you
> giving somebody else a hint how to do that?
>
> Peter
>
> On 11/13/2013 11:40 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
>> users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>>
>> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
>> Glendale, California 91201
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>     From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
>>> "M. Fioretti":
>>>
>>> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
>>> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
>>> list...
>>>
>>> It's just seasonal relapse.
>>>
>>
>> Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that
>> level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Yolanda Lowery <en...@att.net>.

No. It is me that wants to unsub. Thanks for asking. Please tell me what else I need to do.

Thanks,


 
Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
Glendale, California 91201




________________________________
 From: Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
To: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
 

Yolanda,

are you trying to ask for getting unsubscribed yourself or are you 
giving somebody else a hint how to do that?

Peter

On 11/13/2013 11:40 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
> users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
> Glendale, California 91201
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>
>
> On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
>> "M. Fioretti":
>>
>> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
>> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
>> list...
>>
>> It's just seasonal relapse.
>>
>
>
> Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that
> level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.
>
>
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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.

Yolanda,

are you trying to ask for getting unsubscribed yourself or are you 
giving somebody else a hint how to do that?

Peter

On 11/13/2013 11:40 AM, Yolanda Lowery wrote:
> users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>
>
> Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
> Glendale, California 91201
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.
>
>
> On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
>> "M. Fioretti":
>>
>> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
>> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
>> list...
>>
>> It's just seasonal relapse.
>>
>
>
> Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that
> level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.
>
>
>
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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Yolanda Lowery <en...@att.net>.

users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org

Yolanda LaCombe Lowery
Glendale, California 91201

________________________________
 From: John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>
To: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
> "M. Fioretti":
>
> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
> list...
>
> It's just seasonal relapse.
>

Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that 
level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.

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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>.

On 11/12/2013 2:11 PM, Urmas wrote:
> "M. Fioretti":
>
> may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
> may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
> list...
>
> It's just seasonal relapse.
>


Not to completely hijack this thread, but I don't think execs at that 
level really think about technical issues like hijacking threads.



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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Urmas <da...@gmail.com>.

"M. Fioretti":

may I respectfully suggest that a former "VP/CIO of IT and Telecom"
may be expected to know better than highjacking threads on a mailing
list...

It's just seasonal relapse.


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Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.

Great news. Bu my current major problem on my MacBook Pro and the failure over time of Micros…. Software to actually perform what it was meant to do ever since Apple signed a contract with MS to build both Word and Excel. Both App and System. I have know many MS employees over the years - I was VP/CIO in WA State for many years. I think Bill’s greatest gift to the computer world was to resign as active CEO. We should all be thankful to him. Steve Jobs was polite to Bill in a TV interview but it was clearly obvious who understood the user world, as well as the systems programmer analysts who had to support particular systems. I have had to dump a few systems myself to get a large-scale computer network unlocked and working again. Users were usually not aware, but as we stabilized, it was because we were using Apple servers to support the total network, locally, nationally, and internationally.

Being a retired VP/VIO of IT and Telecom I have had too many years experience with Micros… Software - both applicaton and system. Until the last few years at least Mac had its own Stable OS upon which run as opposed to my window users. Also got rid of MS servers for HP servers - went from horrid to 100% uptime (I do not recall ever having problems with the HP multiprocess servers.

The network was designed to function as our phone system to be available 100% of the time. Which puts it at odds with Micros… Software.

Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com

On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:45 PM, svmizin <sv...@pochta.ru> wrote:

Dear OO developers.
To save your and my forces and time - at once i say main and THE ONLY reason to NON-using of OO: its IMcompatibility with Microsoft Office"Math formula editor"!
Really - i am programmer-researcher and physicyst-resercher at www.lebedev.ru. All my work connected with my program software description texts and also with
scientific articles texts and also scientific conferences (Power Point Office) presentations ! And as you can see - i can not utilize your OO because of THIS THE ONLY reason yet!
It is needed and sufficient reason : IMcompatibility with Microsoft Office"Math formula editor"!
Yes - you have resolved all other essential imcompatbilities with MS Office.
But... this THE ONLY is essential to reject usage of OO for me and many many other potential users:
engeneers of all areas and scientists.
Please, make a OO compatibility with Microsoft Office "Math formula editor" - first priority level for your developing !
With my best wishes to you, Sergey V. Mizin,
Ph.d. at www.lebedev.ru

Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility ofMath formula editor.

Posted by Dr Donald Zarlengo <za...@me.com>.

Don

Donald Zarlenga Ph.D.
zarlengo@me.com

Dear MR Fioetti.

You are facing a formidalbe opponent or a solution?
I have no interest in changing my promossed material

If you want me to change anything, YOU MUST PROPOSE
it formally to me for my agreeement and acceptance.

I would be glad to work for you to solve your issues.

But, you will have to propose exact language that you wish.

Otherwise, we already know where yuou are.

I realluy don’t give a damn how we do this

Id I doo it so your are satisfied, I am happyl
as long as agrees with my principeles. WHich
I believe they DO.

Since I have extensively more esperience in this ifel than you possibly cand
have. You are damn to young!@

Propose, clearly what y0u would like.

BUT DO NOT ATTACK A SENIOR FROM ITALY, A SENIOIO ACCADEMICALLY,
an seniror in all righs;

I am most agreeable.

Lets continue; in order to terminate any conflict.

Thank you gor your positive cooperate.

Dr Zarlenga - My Family is from Italy
I am sure we can come to an amicable
Concludion.

Lets work tohether.\
\
Dr Zarlenga

On Nov 12, 2013, at 5:02 AM, M. Fioretti <mf...@nexaima.net> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 12:13:19 PM +0400, svmizin wrote:
>> In other words, what of these two things is the problem:
>>
>> - the formulas generated with the OO formula editor are not readable
>> /editable correctly in MS Office and viceversa
>
> This is THE MAIN problem : MS OFFICE document formulas don NOT displayed right in OO.

OK. Then the right thing to do is to send a file containing such
formulas done with MS Office to the developers (see the instructions
on the website). So they can open it with OO, see WHAT is not rendered
correctly, and hopefully fix it. Of course, that should be a file with
NO confidential information, because it will be put online and/or seen
by many people. It should only contain the broken formulas.

If you have such a file, may you also send it to me privately? I
CANNOT fix any bug! I am just curious to see what the problem is.

Thanks,
Marco
http://mfioretti.com

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Re: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility ofMath formula editor.

Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 12:13:19 PM +0400, svmizin wrote:
> >In other words, what of these two things is the problem:
> >
> >- the formulas generated with the OO formula editor are not readable
> >  /editable correctly in MS Office and viceversa
> 
> This is THE MAIN problem : MS OFFICE document formulas don NOT displayed right in OO.

OK. Then the right thing to do is to send a file containing such
formulas done with MS Office to the developers (see the instructions
on the website). So they can open it with OO, see WHAT is not rendered
correctly, and hopefully fix it. Of course, that should be a file with
NO confidential information, because it will be put online and/or seen
by many people. It should only contain the broken formulas.

If you have such a file, may you also send it to me privately? I
CANNOT fix any bug! I am just curious to see what the problem is.

Thanks,
	Marco
	http://mfioretti.com

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Re: Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility ofMath formula editor.

Posted by svmizin <sv...@pochta.ru>.

>On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:45:12 AM +0400, svmizin wrote:
>
>> ... this THE ONLY is essential to reject usage of OO for me and many
>> many other potential users: engeneers of all areas and scientists.
>> Please, make a OO compatibility with Microsoft Office "Math formula
>> editor" - first priority level for your developing
>
>Dear Sergey,
>
>this is a users list, not the one for developers, so it is not the
>best place to place any change request. However, just in order to
>frame the question better, shouldn't you say "make OO compatible with
>the (file) FORMAT of the Microsoft Office Math formula editor?
>
>In other words, what of these two things is the problem:
>
>- the formulas generated with the OO formula editor are not readable
>  /editable correctly in MS Office and viceversa

This is THE MAIN problem : MS OFFICE document formulas don NOT displayed right in OO.

>- you or your colleagues cannot use the OO editor because (for
>  example) it is different, too complicated, unstable etc?

This problem smaller but there is too : it seems OO formula editor visibly more poor than MS Office formula editor.

Thank you in advance, M. Fioretti.

>
>A related question, but this is just a curiosity of mine: why aren't
>you all using TeX/LaTeX for formulas?
>
>Best Regards,
> M. Fioretti
> http://mfioretti.com
>

Re: essential remark for majority of OO users - incompatibility of Math formula editor.

Posted by "M. Fioretti" <mf...@nexaima.net>.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:45:12 AM +0400, svmizin wrote:

> ... this THE ONLY is essential to reject usage of OO for me and many
> many other potential users: engeneers of all areas and scientists.
> Please, make a OO compatibility with Microsoft Office "Math formula
> editor" - first priority level for your developing

Dear Sergey,

this is a users list, not the one for developers, so it is not the
best place to place any change request. However, just in order to
frame the question better, shouldn't you say "make OO compatible with
the (file) FORMAT of the Microsoft Office Math formula editor?

In other words, what of these two things is the problem:

- the formulas generated with the OO formula editor are not readable
  /editable correctly in MS Office and viceversa

- you or your colleagues cannot use the OO editor because (for
  example) it is different, too complicated, unstable etc?

A related question, but this is just a curiosity of mine: why aren't
you all using TeX/LaTeX for formulas?

Best Regards,
		M. Fioretti
		http://mfioretti.com

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