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Hudson w/ Gradle
I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using Gradle.
Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
All due respect, but perhaps its not the tool itself but how it's
current being used. I use Maven day-to-day and we've been cranking
small, independently releasable modules out as part of Tynamo with an
increasing pace (which of course is only one of the projects where I
use Maven) and we just don't have any problem with it. If Tapestry's
build wasn't organized as a monolithic multi-module build where
everything is released together, it'd be far easier to evolve the
different parts of Tapestry independently, and releasing would be much
less of a pain.
Kalle
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge pain it
> is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
>
> It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
>
> Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost
> just because its cost you in the past.
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigler
> <ro...@roxanemy.com>wrote:
>
>> I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the
>> heck out of using maven.
>> But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a
>> build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work
>> with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand it.
>> It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if they
>> have to install yet another piece of software.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> * It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>
>> > I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using
>> Gradle.
>> > Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
>> >
>> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
>> >
>> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn
>> > how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>> >
>> > (971) 678-5210
>> > http://howardlewisship.com
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by françois facon <fr...@gmail.com>.
Feel the same.
Fully agree with Robert
Even if, Like Thiago I use m2eclipse in very good corporate distrib of
eclipse.
2011/1/8 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>
> I agree with everything Robert said in this thread, except that I do like
> m2eclipse. There's also another Maven-Eclipse integration plugin,
> http://code.google.com/p/q4e/, which is in the Eclipse incubator now. I
> haven't tried it yet.
>
>
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:10:43 -0200, Robert Zeigler <
> robert.zeigler@roxanemy.com> wrote:
>
> I do use maven day-to-day. Releases and sub-projects are a pita, I agree.
>> But:
>> a) How often do we create tapestry subprojects?
>> b) How often do we generate tapestry releases?
>> c) How often do we:
>> a) Compile code?
>> b) Run tests?
>> c) Do the day-to-day project management stuff that's required of
>> a build?
>>
>> For a, b, and c, maven works fine (generally. Frankly, I can't stand the
>> eclipse plugin for maven, so I do all of my maven work from the command
>> line, with the help of some shell scripts that simplify my most commonly
>> used commands). I'm simply saying that the pain of the relatively rare
>> events of a and b shouldn't necessarily outweigh the benefit of a familiar
>> environment for doing a, b, and c from people who may wish to contribute.
>> For the long-term success of Tapestry, that's far more important than the
>> occasional pain of a & b. I'm just saying it's worth thinking through a
>> little and weighing the pros and cons for the community as a whole.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:59 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>
>> If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge pain
>>> it
>>> is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
>>>
>>> It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
>>>
>>> Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost
>>> just because its cost you in the past.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigler
>>> <ro...@roxanemy.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the
>>>> heck out of using maven.
>>>> But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a
>>>> build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work
>>>> with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand it.
>>>> It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if
>>>> they
>>>> have to install yet another piece of software.
>>>>
>>>> Just my $0.02.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> * It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using
>>>>>
>>>> Gradle.
>>>>
>>>>> Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>
>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>
>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>>>>>
>>>> learn
>>>>
>>>>> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>
>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>
>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>
>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>>> learn
>>> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>
>>> (971) 678-5210
>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>
>>
>>
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>
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> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> and instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
> Consultor, desenvolvedor e instrutor em Java, Tapestry e Hibernate
> Coordenador e professor da Especialização em Engenharia de Software com
> Ênfase em Java da Faculdade Pitágoras
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
I agree with everything Robert said in this thread, except that I do like
m2eclipse. There's also another Maven-Eclipse integration plugin,
http://code.google.com/p/q4e/, which is in the Eclipse incubator now. I
haven't tried it yet.
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:10:43 -0200, Robert Zeigler
<ro...@roxanemy.com> wrote:
> I do use maven day-to-day. Releases and sub-projects are a pita, I
> agree. But:
> a) How often do we create tapestry subprojects?
> b) How often do we generate tapestry releases?
> c) How often do we:
> a) Compile code?
> b) Run tests?
> c) Do the day-to-day project management stuff that's required
> of a build?
>
> For a, b, and c, maven works fine (generally. Frankly, I can't stand
> the eclipse plugin for maven, so I do all of my maven work from the
> command line, with the help of some shell scripts that simplify my most
> commonly used commands). I'm simply saying that the pain of the
> relatively rare events of a and b shouldn't necessarily outweigh the
> benefit of a familiar environment for doing a, b, and c from people who
> may wish to contribute. For the long-term success of Tapestry, that's
> far more important than the occasional pain of a & b. I'm just saying
> it's worth thinking through a little and weighing the pros and cons for
> the community as a whole.
>
> Robert
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:59 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
>> If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge
>> pain it
>> is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
>>
>> It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
>>
>> Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk
>> cost
>> just because its cost you in the past.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigler
>> <ro...@roxanemy.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the
>>> heck out of using maven.
>>> But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a
>>> build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to
>>> work
>>> with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand
>>> it.
>>> It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if
>>> they
>>> have to install yet another piece of software.
>>>
>>> Just my $0.02.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> * It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using
>>> Gradle.
>>>> Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>
>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>
>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>>> learn
>>>> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>
>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>
>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>
>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn
>> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>
>> (971) 678-5210
>> http://howardlewisship.com
>
>
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Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
Consultor, desenvolvedor e instrutor em Java, Tapestry e Hibernate
Coordenador e professor da Especialização em Engenharia de Software com
Ênfase em Java da Faculdade Pitágoras
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by Robert Zeigler <ro...@roxanemy.com>.
I do use maven day-to-day. Releases and sub-projects are a pita, I agree. But:
a) How often do we create tapestry subprojects?
b) How often do we generate tapestry releases?
c) How often do we:
a) Compile code?
b) Run tests?
c) Do the day-to-day project management stuff that's required of a build?
For a, b, and c, maven works fine (generally. Frankly, I can't stand the eclipse plugin for maven, so I do all of my maven work from the command line, with the help of some shell scripts that simplify my most commonly used commands). I'm simply saying that the pain of the relatively rare events of a and b shouldn't necessarily outweigh the benefit of a familiar environment for doing a, b, and c from people who may wish to contribute. For the long-term success of Tapestry, that's far more important than the occasional pain of a & b. I'm just saying it's worth thinking through a little and weighing the pros and cons for the community as a whole.
Robert
On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:59 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge pain it
> is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
>
> It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
>
> Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost
> just because its cost you in the past.
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigler
> <ro...@roxanemy.com>wrote:
>
>> I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the
>> heck out of using maven.
>> But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a
>> build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work
>> with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand it.
>> It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if they
>> have to install yet another piece of software.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> * It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>
>>> I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using
>> Gradle.
>>> Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>
>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>
>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
>> learn
>>> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>
>>> (971) 678-5210
>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>
>>
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge pain it
> is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
>
> It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
>
> Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost
> just because its cost you in the past.
BTW
The only thing that gradle isn't supporting (right now) is resolving
repositories that are referenced in the pom.xml files
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Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
If you aren't using Maven day-to-day you may not realize what a huge pain it
is, especially w.r.t. creating releases.
It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects.
Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost
just because its cost you in the past.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigler
<ro...@roxanemy.com>wrote:
> I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the
> heck out of using maven.
> But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a
> build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work
> with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand it.
> It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if they
> have to install yet another piece of software.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Robert
>
> * It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>
> > I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using
> Gradle.
> > Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >
> > Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >
> > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to
> learn
> > how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >
> > (971) 678-5210
> > http://howardlewisship.com
>
>
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Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator of Apache Tapestry
The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
(971) 678-5210
http://howardlewisship.com
Re: Hudson w/ Gradle
Posted by Robert Zeigler <ro...@roxanemy.com>.
I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the heck out of using maven.
But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Tools understand it.
It just seems like another barrier to getting users to contribute if they have to install yet another piece of software.
Just my $0.02.
Robert
* It can be made much more workable with a bit of shell scripting...
On Jan 7, 2011, at 1/73:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I really want to take a crack at converting Tapestry to build using Gradle.
> Does Hudson support Gradle yet?
>
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>
> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>
> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn
> how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>
> (971) 678-5210
> http://howardlewisship.com
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