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Posted to qa@openoffice.apache.org by Edwin Sharp <el...@mail-page.com> on 2013/07/04 18:24:07 UTC
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for an update of the AOO 4.0 release schedule
Hello
Sorry for discussing on qa, I'm not subscribed to dev.
Please consider cancel date for official release.
Instead of final release, the conventional release cycle should be followed and not skipped.
i.e. Beta, Release Candidate etc.
This will entice more volunteers for improving the final release.
My personal feeling is that 4.0 is not ready yet.
Thank you.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 11:14, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> - July 16th public release and announcement
>
>
> Opinions and discussion should take place on the dev list only please.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Juergen
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Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for an update of the AOO 4.0 release schedule
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 7/5/13 9:49 AM, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> Well, I guess working with bugs has a psychological side effect.
> There are times I lose faith in the software.
> In a few occasions even considered stop using it.
> Bottom line, July 16th is just around the corner and I'm anxious.
sure if you focus on finding problems you will find a lot of them and we
have a huge backlog of issues. Probably many of them are not longer
valid but it requires time to check and clean up them. Software of this
size will probably always have issues and I would say it is the same for
other proprietary software where the process is not so transparent.
I would be happy if we had more volunteers who are able to fix issues
and if we could fix more issues for every release. But we have to take
into account the reality.
I really don't see very serious showstoppers yet. Yes there still some
issues that can cause a crash but where a fix is not easy possible and
the scenario is seldom used. Sure users of this functionality will be
annoyed and I can understand it. But on the other hand we make millions
of users happy with a new release and they will not even notice these
still existing problems because for their daily work it is not important.
It's good that you put your own quality standard so high and that you
help us to reach an even higher standard in general. But this takes time
and we are working on it.
As Andrea mentioned we will change our strategy and will work with a
public beta in the future. But not for 4.0.
As the acting release manager I don't plan to postpone the release
because the situation will not change. We will run in vacation time and
less activity over the next weeks.
Regards
Juergen
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013, at 0:16, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>> This is quite understandable and in the past I've been in a couple of
>> occasions a quite vocal supporter of the "not ready yet" party. But I
>> think that QA on the 4.0 snapshot is going rather well, and probably it
>> will be enough to produce a new release candidate before the final
>> release. There will always be bugs, but we have to draw a line and our
>> latest release dates back to August 2012.
>>
>> It is already planned that for 4.1 we will have a public beta release;
>> for 4.0 we had some policy problems and concerns about giving too much
>> visibility to unstable versions, but this will be addressed for 4.1. An
>> important thing to do is to discuss rejected release blockers just after
>> 4.0 is released, so that there is plenty of time to fix them by 4.1.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>
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Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for an update of the AOO 4.0 release schedule
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Edwin Sharp <el...@mail-page.com> wrote:
> Well, I guess working with bugs has a psychological side effect.
> There are times I lose faith in the software.
> In a few occasions even considered stop using it.
> Bottom line, July 16th is just around the corner and I'm anxious.
>
To paraphrase Otto von Bismarck, "The less the people know about how
sausages and software are made, the better they sleep in the night."
-Rob
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013, at 0:16, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>> This is quite understandable and in the past I've been in a couple of
>> occasions a quite vocal supporter of the "not ready yet" party. But I
>> think that QA on the 4.0 snapshot is going rather well, and probably it
>> will be enough to produce a new release candidate before the final
>> release. There will always be bugs, but we have to draw a line and our
>> latest release dates back to August 2012.
>>
>> It is already planned that for 4.1 we will have a public beta release;
>> for 4.0 we had some policy problems and concerns about giving too much
>> visibility to unstable versions, but this will be addressed for 4.1. An
>> important thing to do is to discuss rejected release blockers just after
>> 4.0 is released, so that there is plenty of time to fix them by 4.1.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>
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Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for an update of the AOO 4.0 release schedule
Posted by Edwin Sharp <el...@mail-page.com>.
Well, I guess working with bugs has a psychological side effect.
There are times I lose faith in the software.
In a few occasions even considered stop using it.
Bottom line, July 16th is just around the corner and I'm anxious.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013, at 0:16, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
> This is quite understandable and in the past I've been in a couple of
> occasions a quite vocal supporter of the "not ready yet" party. But I
> think that QA on the 4.0 snapshot is going rather well, and probably it
> will be enough to produce a new release candidate before the final
> release. There will always be bugs, but we have to draw a line and our
> latest release dates back to August 2012.
>
> It is already planned that for 4.1 we will have a public beta release;
> for 4.0 we had some policy problems and concerns about giving too much
> visibility to unstable versions, but this will be addressed for 4.1. An
> important thing to do is to discuss rejected release blockers just after
> 4.0 is released, so that there is plenty of time to fix them by 4.1.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for an update of the AOO 4.0 release schedule
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Edwin Sharp wrote:
> Sorry for discussing on qa, I'm not subscribed to dev.
> Please consider cancel date for official release.
> Instead of final release, the conventional release cycle should be followed and not skipped.
> i.e. Beta, Release Candidate etc.
> This will entice more volunteers for improving the final release.
> My personal feeling is that 4.0 is not ready yet.
This is quite understandable and in the past I've been in a couple of
occasions a quite vocal supporter of the "not ready yet" party. But I
think that QA on the 4.0 snapshot is going rather well, and probably it
will be enough to produce a new release candidate before the final
release. There will always be bugs, but we have to draw a line and our
latest release dates back to August 2012.
It is already planned that for 4.1 we will have a public beta release;
for 4.0 we had some policy problems and concerns about giving too much
visibility to unstable versions, but this will be addressed for 4.1. An
important thing to do is to discuss rejected release blockers just after
4.0 is released, so that there is plenty of time to fix them by 4.1.
Regards,
Andrea.
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