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Posted to dev@avalon.apache.org by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org> on 2003/03/31 07:21:07 UTC
Moving demo apps under phoenix
Hi,
I was thinking of moving the avalon-apps/demo, avalon-apps/simpleserver and
avalon-phoenix/src/pdk under a directory named
avalon-phoenix/examples
so that there is a list of example phoenix apps in that CVS. At the same time
we can rename simpleserver to testserver or something.
Any comments?
Anyone want to volunteer to do this?
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote, On 04/04/2003 15.56:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:24, Leo Simons wrote:
>
>>Seriously, I'm something like +0. What's the point?
>
> To stop people getting confused about the demos. Quite a few people have been
> trying to run latest CVS demos with last release of phoenix. If the demos are
> in phoenix cvs there is not likely to be any confusion.
Yes, it makes perfect sense to put all things that have a "live"
dependency together. Besides, it also makes us attain the goal of
reducing CVS modules.
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:33, Leo Simons wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
> >>- why is there a src/api?
> >
> > to store the API separately.
>
> well, duh! But what is "API"? Or, the API of what? Certainly there is
> more api to phoenix than what is in src/api!
Nope.
src/api + src/compat defines the API for phoenix components.
> >>- how much of the containerkit stuff and other stuff re-included is
> >>actually unused? (like the kernel subpackage. Does the phoenix kernel
> >>use it?)
> >
> > a bit unused but it does not harm atm
> >
> >>- how much of the content currently in src/java do we want to move to
> >>src/compat?
> >
> > none.
>
> heh :D
>
> My idea on this (without knowing specifics) is that we want to move
> unused stuff there!
compat is for stuff that we need to keep around for compatability reasons and
so as not to break peoples code.
The unused stuff is either stuff that is going to be used in the future, used
now but not enabled by default and I think there is a bit of junk code in
there that is mainly thought experiment.
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:33, Leo Simons wrote:
> My idea on this (without knowing specifics) is that we want to move
> unused stuff there!
unused stuff has been deleted.
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>>- why is there a src/api?
>
> to store the API separately.
well, duh! But what is "API"? Or, the API of what? Certainly there is
more api to phoenix than what is in src/api!
>>- how much of the containerkit stuff and other stuff re-included is
>>actually unused? (like the kernel subpackage. Does the phoenix kernel
>>use it?)
>
> a bit unused but it does not harm atm
>
>>- how much of the content currently in src/java do we want to move to
>>src/compat?
>
> none.
heh :D
My idea on this (without knowing specifics) is that we want to move
unused stuff there!
- LSD
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:06, Leo Simons wrote:
> >>I've had more than my share of moving ;). IMO we should finish cleanup
> >>of the phoenix tree before doing YAR (Yet Another Restructuring).
> >
> > Exactly what needs to be done for this cleanup?
>
> I'm a bit behind on current head so I think I'll only say silly things
> when I go into that right now. Some things with question marks right now:
>
> - why is there a src/api?
to store the API separately.
> - how much of the containerkit stuff and other stuff re-included is
> actually unused? (like the kernel subpackage. Does the phoenix kernel
> use it?)
a bit unused but it does not harm atm
> - how much of the content currently in src/java do we want to move to
> src/compat?
none.
> - what is the relationship between phoenix/framework and
> phoenix/interfaces?
no relationship.
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:24, Leo Simons wrote:
>
>>Seriously, I'm something like +0. What's the point?
>
> To stop people getting confused about the demos. Quite a few people have been
> trying to run latest CVS demos with last release of phoenix. If the demos are
> in phoenix cvs there is not likely to be any confusion.
hmm. It worries me a little that the demos won't run in the last release
of phoenix, actually. Haven't bothered to look at the cause yet.
IMHO What we actually need is releases of the demos :D
>>I've had more than my share of moving ;). IMO we should finish cleanup
>>of the phoenix tree before doing YAR (Yet Another Restructuring).
>
> Exactly what needs to be done for this cleanup?
I'm a bit behind on current head so I think I'll only say silly things
when I go into that right now. Some things with question marks right now:
- why is there a src/api?
- how much of the containerkit stuff and other stuff re-included is
actually unused? (like the kernel subpackage. Does the phoenix kernel
use it?)
- how much of the content currently in src/java do we want to move to
src/compat?
- what is the relationship between phoenix/framework and phoenix/interfaces?
etc etc. We need to figure out where the seperation between tools and
server lies, probably restructure the ant file, then update the gump
definitions to reflect all that. But ignore these thoughts: I prolly
won't be working turning my attention to phoenix till excalibur is sorta
fixed.
cheers!
- Leo
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:24, Leo Simons wrote:
> Seriously, I'm something like +0. What's the point?
To stop people getting confused about the demos. Quite a few people have been
trying to run latest CVS demos with last release of phoenix. If the demos are
in phoenix cvs there is not likely to be any confusion.
> I've had more than my share of moving ;). IMO we should finish cleanup
> of the phoenix tree before doing YAR (Yet Another Restructuring).
Exactly what needs to be done for this cleanup?
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> Any comments?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooh! No more moving! :D:D
Seriously, I'm something like +0. What's the point? You could also just
copy the generated sars and docs into the phoenix binary distribution
and save a whole lot of work.
> Anyone want to volunteer to do this?
I've had more than my share of moving ;). IMO we should finish cleanup
of the phoenix tree before doing YAR (Yet Another Restructuring).
cheers,
- LSD
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Re: Moving demo apps under phoenix
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Mostly done now. At the same time moved docs relating to these examples into
package.html and fixed a few bugs.
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:21, Peter Donald wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was thinking of moving the avalon-apps/demo, avalon-apps/simpleserver and
> avalon-phoenix/src/pdk under a directory named
>
> avalon-phoenix/examples
>
> so that there is a list of example phoenix apps in that CVS. At the same
> time we can rename simpleserver to testserver or something.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Anyone want to volunteer to do this?
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Peter Donald
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