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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Sean LeBlanc <se...@nutros.com> on 2002/03/18 21:34:40 UTC
Running one or more concurrent websites?
Okay, here's a question that I've been meaning to ask for a while. Is there
a way to (at random),
at the start of a user's "session", send them to one or more alternate sites
hosted on the same webserver? Let's say that 20% of the time I want to send
users to
one version of my application, and 80% of the time, they go to the other
version...and they
stay on the chosen version until they close their browser. Is there a way
that Apache
could do this?
TIA,
Sean - sean@nutros.com
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RE: Running one or more concurrent websites?
Posted by Sean LeBlanc <se...@nutros.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From your description, it looks like there will not be a
> difference in the
> content of the two document trees, am I correct in this
> assumption? If I
> am, the question of why comes to mind?
While there is a possibility the filenames *could* be the same, and the tree
will be the same,
the content of said files will definitely be different. The reason I want
this is
to be able to run a one-off version of a site, in parallel with current
production
one, and see how users respond - but I don't want all users to be using new
site in
case there are problems (not bugs per se, but usability problems). I'm
pretty sure
there is hardware that would accomplish pretty much the same thing, but the
load is
so minor that would be overkill at this point.
Thanks,
Sean LeBlanc
> If its a disk
> performance issue,
> moving to scsi, raid, or scsi and raid would be your best
> bets. If the two
> apps have different content, then perhaps
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html is what
> you are looking
> for to make the urls appear the same, but the homepage could
> be a cgi/jsp
> that does this.
>
> Broken perl implementation
> <--index.cgi-->
>
> grep access_log
> if ($line ~= index.cgi){
> $loads++
> }
>
> # If app2 is loaded when evenly divisible by 5, you get the
> 80/20 split you
> mentioned in your post
>
> if($loads%5 == 0){
> output html code for app2 homepage
> }
> else{
> output app1 homepage
> }
> <--end index.cgi-->
>
> Then have a rewrite rule to clean up the urls.
>
> Anyone else want to comment?
>
>
> John Darin Holloway
> Bluegrass Network, LLC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
> To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 05:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Running one or more concurrent websites?
>
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Darin Holloway [mailto:jdholloway@blue.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > To: users@httpd.apache.org; sean@nutros.com
> > > Subject: Re: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds interesting, but probably should be done in the
> > > context of a web
> > > application, lets take a weblog style example.
> > >
> > > You randomly hand out moderator access to a user once every
> > > day on your site
> > > www.myweblog.com, then the perl/servlet/jsp/asp that handles
> > > features should
> > > have a flag that gets tripped when Bob is chosen to be a
> > > moderator, Bob gets
> > > redirected to admin.myweblog.com and the backend should
> > > authenticate him.
> > > The next day Alice has the flag set and she gets redirected
> > > to admin and so
> > > on.
> >
> > I'm not positive we are talking about the exact same thing. We could
> > be, but let me refine my earlier question. Let's say that
> I'm running
> > a site, and it resides in the directory <path to html stuff>/myapp.
> > Now, I want to take the same tree in the above dir, and copy to
> > <path to html stuff>/myapp2...I then want some users to run
> myapp, and
> > others to myapp2, but on a session-by-session basis, and
> not have them
> > aware of it, if possible. So, their browser shows
> > "http://www.mysite.com/somepath/myapp/somepage.html", but
> could be pulled
> > from the /myapp2 dir...
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
> > > To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 03:34 PM
> > > Subject: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay, here's a question that I've been meaning to ask for a
> > > while. Is
> > > there
> > > > a way to (at random),
> > > > at the start of a user's "session", send them to one or
> > > more alternate
> > > sites
> > > > hosted on the same webserver? Let's say that 20% of the
> > > time I want to
> > > send
> > > > users to
> > > > one version of my application, and 80% of the time, they go
> > > to the other
> > > > version...and they
> > > > stay on the chosen version until they close their browser.
> > > Is there a way
> > > > that Apache
> > > > could do this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > > Sean - sean@nutros.com
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Re: Running one or more concurrent websites?
Posted by John Darin Holloway <jd...@blue.net>.
>From your description, it looks like there will not be a difference in the
content of the two document trees, am I correct in this assumption? If I
am, the question of why comes to mind? If its a disk performance issue,
moving to scsi, raid, or scsi and raid would be your best bets. If the two
apps have different content, then perhaps
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html is what you are looking
for to make the urls appear the same, but the homepage could be a cgi/jsp
that does this.
Broken perl implementation
<--index.cgi-->
grep access_log
if ($line ~= index.cgi){
$loads++
}
# If app2 is loaded when evenly divisible by 5, you get the 80/20 split you
mentioned in your post
if($loads%5 == 0){
output html code for app2 homepage
}
else{
output app1 homepage
}
<--end index.cgi-->
Then have a rewrite rule to clean up the urls.
Anyone else want to comment?
John Darin Holloway
Bluegrass Network, LLC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 05:14 PM
Subject: RE: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Darin Holloway [mailto:jdholloway@blue.net]
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:36 PM
> > To: users@httpd.apache.org; sean@nutros.com
> > Subject: Re: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> >
> >
> > Sounds interesting, but probably should be done in the
> > context of a web
> > application, lets take a weblog style example.
> >
> > You randomly hand out moderator access to a user once every
> > day on your site
> > www.myweblog.com, then the perl/servlet/jsp/asp that handles
> > features should
> > have a flag that gets tripped when Bob is chosen to be a
> > moderator, Bob gets
> > redirected to admin.myweblog.com and the backend should
> > authenticate him.
> > The next day Alice has the flag set and she gets redirected
> > to admin and so
> > on.
>
> I'm not positive we are talking about the exact same thing. We could
> be, but let me refine my earlier question. Let's say that I'm running
> a site, and it resides in the directory <path to html stuff>/myapp.
> Now, I want to take the same tree in the above dir, and copy to
> <path to html stuff>/myapp2...I then want some users to run myapp, and
> others to myapp2, but on a session-by-session basis, and not have them
> aware of it, if possible. So, their browser shows
> "http://www.mysite.com/somepath/myapp/somepage.html", but could be pulled
> from the /myapp2 dir...
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
> > To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 03:34 PM
> > Subject: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> >
> >
> > > Okay, here's a question that I've been meaning to ask for a
> > while. Is
> > there
> > > a way to (at random),
> > > at the start of a user's "session", send them to one or
> > more alternate
> > sites
> > > hosted on the same webserver? Let's say that 20% of the
> > time I want to
> > send
> > > users to
> > > one version of my application, and 80% of the time, they go
> > to the other
> > > version...and they
> > > stay on the chosen version until they close their browser.
> > Is there a way
> > > that Apache
> > > could do this?
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Sean - sean@nutros.com
>
>
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RE: Running one or more concurrent websites?
Posted by Sean LeBlanc <se...@nutros.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Darin Holloway [mailto:jdholloway@blue.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:36 PM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org; sean@nutros.com
> Subject: Re: Running one or more concurrent websites?
>
>
> Sounds interesting, but probably should be done in the
> context of a web
> application, lets take a weblog style example.
>
> You randomly hand out moderator access to a user once every
> day on your site
> www.myweblog.com, then the perl/servlet/jsp/asp that handles
> features should
> have a flag that gets tripped when Bob is chosen to be a
> moderator, Bob gets
> redirected to admin.myweblog.com and the backend should
> authenticate him.
> The next day Alice has the flag set and she gets redirected
> to admin and so
> on.
I'm not positive we are talking about the exact same thing. We could
be, but let me refine my earlier question. Let's say that I'm running
a site, and it resides in the directory <path to html stuff>/myapp.
Now, I want to take the same tree in the above dir, and copy to
<path to html stuff>/myapp2...I then want some users to run myapp, and
others to myapp2, but on a session-by-session basis, and not have them
aware of it, if possible. So, their browser shows
"http://www.mysite.com/somepath/myapp/somepage.html", but could be pulled
from the /myapp2 dir...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
> To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 03:34 PM
> Subject: Running one or more concurrent websites?
>
>
> > Okay, here's a question that I've been meaning to ask for a
> while. Is
> there
> > a way to (at random),
> > at the start of a user's "session", send them to one or
> more alternate
> sites
> > hosted on the same webserver? Let's say that 20% of the
> time I want to
> send
> > users to
> > one version of my application, and 80% of the time, they go
> to the other
> > version...and they
> > stay on the chosen version until they close their browser.
> Is there a way
> > that Apache
> > could do this?
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> > Sean - sean@nutros.com
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Re: Running one or more concurrent websites?
Posted by John Darin Holloway <jd...@blue.net>.
Sounds interesting, but probably should be done in the context of a web
application, lets take a weblog style example.
You randomly hand out moderator access to a user once every day on your site
www.myweblog.com, then the perl/servlet/jsp/asp that handles features should
have a flag that gets tripped when Bob is chosen to be a moderator, Bob gets
redirected to admin.myweblog.com and the backend should authenticate him.
The next day Alice has the flag set and she gets redirected to admin and so
on.
That being said, it probably can be done.
John Darin Holloway
Bluegrass Network, LLC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean LeBlanc" <se...@nutros.com>
To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 03:34 PM
Subject: Running one or more concurrent websites?
> Okay, here's a question that I've been meaning to ask for a while. Is
there
> a way to (at random),
> at the start of a user's "session", send them to one or more alternate
sites
> hosted on the same webserver? Let's say that 20% of the time I want to
send
> users to
> one version of my application, and 80% of the time, they go to the other
> version...and they
> stay on the chosen version until they close their browser. Is there a way
> that Apache
> could do this?
>
>
> TIA,
> Sean - sean@nutros.com
>
>
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