Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze <ki...@gmail.com>]

I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very helpful.

Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list and
usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing list for
another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and always
found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I needed
to search.

Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in long
run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't mind
subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder what
others think...

Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Zoran Avtarovski <zo...@sparecreative.com>]

I agree whole heartedly. It also helps people who haven¹t yet made the jump
to get a feel for what to expect in migration.

Z.


> 
> Heh - I hadn't had my coffee yet. ;-)
> 
> Here are a few reasons: Pick one or take two, they're small.
> 
> #1 - It's a bad idea to fragment an already small community (<1000
> users on the list) because one user doesn't want to get the dozen or
> so emails a day that the list generates.
> 
> #2 - Just like ibatis1, ibatis2 will eventually fade away and ibatis3
> will become the main release. At what point do we kill the old list?
> When there are 2 people on it?
> 
> #3 - I think I'm the only person who does moderation on the ibatis
> lists and don't want another one to manage. (NOTE: If someone wants to
> do that with me, let me know, it's easy, but when I'm out of the
> office the "please subscribe" emails pile up).
> 
> #4 - Because of #2, people need to be seeing i3 posts now, even if
> they aren't using it. It'll give them an idea of when to switch (is it
> stable?), how to switch, and the issues they will likely encounter
> when they do.
> 
> Finally, if no one replies to your emails in the future, don't worry
> about it. We still like you. It's just that your #1 priority isn't
> necessarily everyone else's...and judging by the chorus of "me too"
> replies on the initial post, a separate list wasn't on the top of
> anyone else's list. ;-)
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Nicholoz Koka
> Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No.
>> >
>> > Lol
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Because it's a bad idea.
>>> >>
>>> >> Happy?
>>> >>
>>> >> Larry
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Nicholoz Koka
>>> >> Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > No reply...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Seems separate list idea is soo absurd that no one bothers to explain
>>>> >> > why ;)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze
>>>> >> > <ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very
>>>>> >> >> helpful.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list
and
>>>>> >> >> usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing
>>>>> >> >> list for
>>>>> >> >> another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and
>>>>> >> >> always
>>>>> >> >> found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I
>>>>> >> >> needed
>>>>> >> >> to search.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in
>>>>> >> >> long
>>>>> >> >> run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't
mind
>>>>> >> >> subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder
>>>>> >> >> what
>>>>> >> >> others think...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>> >>
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>> >
>> >
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Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze <ki...@gmail.com>]

>
> #3 - I think I'm the only person who does moderation on the ibatis
> lists and don't want another one to manage. (NOTE: If someone wants to
> do that with me, let me know, it's easy, but when I'm out of the
> office the "please subscribe" emails pile up).
>

I'll be out of the office till September 6 (hehe, don't worry I have
autoreply off).

Meanwhile as I watch this list almost on the daily basis I could help in
handling those out-of-the-office-please-unsubscribe-enlarge-something things
after that. Or what else does moderation mean?

Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>]

Heh - I hadn't had my coffee yet. ;-)

Here are a few reasons: Pick one or take two, they're small.

#1 - It's a bad idea to fragment an already small community (<1000
users on the list) because one user doesn't want to get the dozen or
so emails a day that the list generates.

#2 - Just like ibatis1, ibatis2 will eventually fade away and ibatis3
will become the main release. At what point do we kill the old list?
When there are 2 people on it?

#3 - I think I'm the only person who does moderation on the ibatis
lists and don't want another one to manage. (NOTE: If someone wants to
do that with me, let me know, it's easy, but when I'm out of the
office the "please subscribe" emails pile up).

#4 - Because of #2, people need to be seeing i3 posts now, even if
they aren't using it. It'll give them an idea of when to switch (is it
stable?), how to switch, and the issues they will likely encounter
when they do.

Finally, if no one replies to your emails in the future, don't worry
about it. We still like you. It's just that your #1 priority isn't
necessarily everyone else's...and judging by the chorus of "me too"
replies on the initial post, a separate list wasn't on the top of
anyone else's list. ;-)

Larry


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Nicholoz Koka
Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No.
>
> Lol
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Because it's a bad idea.
>>
>> Happy?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Nicholoz Koka
>> Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No reply...
>> >
>> > Seems separate list idea is soo absurd that no one bothers to explain
>> > why ;)
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze
>> > <ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very
>> >> helpful.
>> >>
>> >> Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list and
>> >> usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing
>> >> list for
>> >> another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and
>> >> always
>> >> found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I
>> >> needed
>> >> to search.
>> >>
>> >> Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in
>> >> long
>> >> run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't mind
>> >> subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder
>> >> what
>> >> others think...
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
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Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze <ki...@gmail.com>]

No.

Lol

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Because it's a bad idea.
>
> Happy?
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Nicholoz Koka
> Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No reply...
> >
> > Seems separate list idea is soo absurd that no one bothers to explain why
> ;)
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze
> > <ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very
> >> helpful.
> >>
> >> Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list and
> >> usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing list
> for
> >> another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and always
> >> found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I
> needed
> >> to search.
> >>
> >> Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in
> long
> >> run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't mind
> >> subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder
> what
> >> others think...
> >
> >
>
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Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Larry Meadors <la...@gmail.com>]

Because it's a bad idea.

Happy?

Larry


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Nicholoz Koka
Kiknadze<ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No reply...
>
> Seems separate list idea is soo absurd that no one bothers to explain why ;)
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze
> <ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very
>> helpful.
>>
>> Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list and
>> usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing list for
>> another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and always
>> found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I needed
>> to search.
>>
>> Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in long
>> run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't mind
>> subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder what
>> others think...
>
>

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Re: Separate iBATIS3 mailing list

[Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze <ki...@gmail.com>]

No reply...

Seems separate list idea is soo absurd that no one bothers to explain why ;)

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Nicholoz Koka Kiknadze <kiknadze@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I've enjoyed much using iBatis and the mailing list was always very
> helpful.
>
> Well, now and then I have to search for answers in the mailing list and
> usually find the answer ;) So far so good. But... I've used mailing list for
> another framework - Tapestry for three major versions (3/4/5) and always
> found it very annoying not to be able to filter for which version I needed
> to search.
>
> Now, as questions about iBatis3 start to pore in I wondered maybe in long
> run it may be better to have separate mailing list for it. I don't mind
> subscribing to two lists - my gmail inbox will handle both ;) Wonder what
> others think...
>