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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com> on 2018/05/29 13:00:49 UTC
Keeping the DNS in netbeans.org domain was: Upload Maven bits
Hello Emilian,
I'd even argue that once netbeans.org domain gets transfered to Apache, it
is important (for the smoothness of migration) to keep DNS names of certain
IP addresses. For example
hg.netbeans.org
wiki.netbeans.org
shall in my opinion continue to work and point to the same machines, while
they are on. This shall not be done to save Apache any resources - all new
development of Apache NetBeans shall use Apache infrastructure, but these
old machines contain a lot of knowledge and keeping their DNS records helps
us to transfer the important parts of wisdom in an incremental fashion to
the proper Apache infrastructure.
-jt
2018-05-28 19:25 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>:
> Considering there is no public Apache NetBeans 9 that users may freely
> download it might be a very good idea that netbeans.org is still under
> Oracle control and users at least get to see some download button with an
> installer. (I would also be curious to see, at least on private@ some
> statistics for that download button while we still can).
>
> Once we do have an Apache NetBeans 9 for users to download, including
> "convenience binaries" then we can say it makes perfect sense to want the
> whole netbeans.org domain too.
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 28 May 2018 6:33 PM, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Back to mailing list...
> >
> > Looks like my attempt to upload org.netbeans.html and other org.netbeans
> >
> > binaries to Maven repository hasn't succeeded. One of the reasons is that
> >
> > Oracle hasn't donated NetBeans trademark and netbeans.org domain to
> Apache
> >
> > yet. Surprising! I thought this was donated together with the 1st code
> >
> > donation. Obviously it wasn't. At least we (as Oracle employees) have
> >
> > something on to work on...
> >
> > 2018-05-16 20:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Lambertus (JIRA) jira@apache.org:
> >
> > > [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16435?page=
> > >
> > >
> > > com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-
> > >
> > > tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16477884#comment-16477884 ]
> > >
> > > Chris Lambertus commented on INFRA-16435:
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Per discussion with Joel Orlina/Brian Fox/Sonatype, the existing Infra
> > >
> > > tooling for repository.a.o apparently does not allow for the standard
> > >
> > > staging/release process for coordinates outside of org.apache. I do not
> > >
> > > know how those other artifacts are being pushed or managed. This is
> not my
> > >
> > > area of expertise,
> >
> > ...looks like Chris cannot explain why artifacts innon-apache.org
> >
> > namespace appear in the repository. But it is clear such artifacts can be
> >
> > uploaded as https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/
> org/
> >
> > proves. I guess the TODO for us (as the Apache gang) is to find out how
> >
> > that is possible?
> >
> > Once both TODOs (Oracle donates the domain and we find out how for
> example
> >
> > freemarker appears on the Maven repo) are marked as done, we can request
> >
> > help from infra again.
> >
> > -jt
>
>
>
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Re: Keeping the DNS in netbeans.org domain was: Upload Maven bits
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@protonmail.ch>.
Of course this should be done in an orderly fashion. Not sure once Apache gets the domain if they will agree to this, particularly hg.netbeans.org since that will be like hosting / distributing source code they don't own and somebody will certainly rush to veto this.
I think there are a whole bunch of domains and URLs(!) that would be a shame not to have an orderly migration. Google ranking and general discoverability is going to be terrible if we just drop these domains from the Internet.
I remember a while back I wanted to start an 'Archival Project' to preserve most of what's right now online, but I saw little feedback from the Oracle side on getting access to the data (for example, a bugzilla database dump) and I don't feel like scrapping the whole website myself. Bugzilla of course, also has a ton of historical, contextual knowledge that will be terrible if it goes away -- commits and comments routinely reference bugzilla and much of the meat of understanding what happened is in the bugzilla comments.
--emi
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 29 May 2018 4:00 PM, Jaroslav Tulach <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Emilian,
>
> I'd even argue that once netbeans.org domain gets transfered to Apache, it
>
> is important (for the smoothness of migration) to keep DNS names of certain
>
> IP addresses. For example
>
> hg.netbeans.org
>
> wiki.netbeans.org
>
> shall in my opinion continue to work and point to the same machines, while
>
> they are on. This shall not be done to save Apache any resources - all new
>
> development of Apache NetBeans shall use Apache infrastructure, but these
>
> old machines contain a lot of knowledge and keeping their DNS records helps
>
> us to transfer the important parts of wisdom in an incremental fashion to
>
> the proper Apache infrastructure.
>
> -jt
>
> 2018-05-28 19:25 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold emilian.bold@protonmail.ch:
>
> > Considering there is no public Apache NetBeans 9 that users may freely
> >
> > download it might be a very good idea that netbeans.org is still under
> >
> > Oracle control and users at least get to see some download button with an
> >
> > installer. (I would also be curious to see, at least on private@ some
> >
> > statistics for that download button while we still can).
> >
> > Once we do have an Apache NetBeans 9 for users to download, including
> >
> > "convenience binaries" then we can say it makes perfect sense to want the
> >
> > whole netbeans.org domain too.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> >
> > On 28 May 2018 6:33 PM, Jaroslav Tulach jaroslav.tulach@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Back to mailing list...
> > >
> > > Looks like my attempt to upload org.netbeans.html and other org.netbeans
> > >
> > > binaries to Maven repository hasn't succeeded. One of the reasons is that
> > >
> > > Oracle hasn't donated NetBeans trademark and netbeans.org domain to
> > >
> > > Apache
> > >
> > > yet. Surprising! I thought this was donated together with the 1st code
> > >
> > > donation. Obviously it wasn't. At least we (as Oracle employees) have
> > >
> > > something on to work on...
> > >
> > > 2018-05-16 20:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Lambertus (JIRA) jira@apache.org:
> > >
> > > > [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16435?page=
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-
> > > >
> > > > tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16477884#comment-16477884 ]
> > > >
> > > > Chris Lambertus commented on INFRA-16435:
> > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Per discussion with Joel Orlina/Brian Fox/Sonatype, the existing Infra
> > > >
> > > > tooling for repository.a.o apparently does not allow for the standard
> > > >
> > > > staging/release process for coordinates outside of org.apache. I do not
> > > >
> > > > know how those other artifacts are being pushed or managed. This is
> > > >
> > > > not my
> > >
> > > > area of expertise,
> > >
> > > ...looks like Chris cannot explain why artifacts innon-apache.org
> > >
> > > namespace appear in the repository. But it is clear such artifacts can be
> > >
> > > uploaded as https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/
> > >
> > > org/
> > >
> > > proves. I guess the TODO for us (as the Apache gang) is to find out how
> > >
> > > that is possible?
> > >
> > > Once both TODOs (Oracle donates the domain and we find out how for
> > >
> > > example
> > >
> > > freemarker appears on the Maven repo) are marked as done, we can request
> > >
> > > help from infra again.
> > >
> > > -jt
> >
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