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Posted to community@apache.org by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> on 2004/12/02 13:52:03 UTC
Update to mailing lists page
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I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit.
(http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the
moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below*
the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph
for each list.
The graph shows subscription and post activity for up to the last
90 samples. Since the sample interval is 1 day, that generally means
three months. If samples aren't collected for a week, though, it
means the graph will cover 97 days, with the uncollected week's
data silently missing from the graph.
The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
I've attached a sample graph from the derby-dev list.
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Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Ken, perhaps avoid repetitous questions by
declaring the criteria for list inclusion
on the face of the page.
--David
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>>The link is very nice! Can you add the cvs mail lists to see the activity
>>of them too?
>
>
> The page is for *all* public ASF lists. 'Public' meaning 'anyone
> can subscribe without having to be moderated.' If there are
> lists that aren't showing up, it means that they require
> subscriptions to be moderated.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Santiago Gala <sg...@hisitech.com>.
El vie, 10-12-2004 a las 01:13 +0000, Sebastian Bazley escribió:
> I find the page useful too.
>
> However, it does take rather a long time to load.
>
This is the (in)famous Page Length Tax whose announcement was missed by
BenL earlier in the thread. ;-)
> Might I suggest the following:
> - split the page into separate pages for each domain
> and/or
> - create a page with links to the chart images, instead of including them
> inline
>
> Just a thought.
>
> S.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Sebastian Bazley <se...@apache.org>.
I find the page useful too.
However, it does take rather a long time to load.
Might I suggest the following:
- split the page into separate pages for each domain
and/or
- create a page with links to the chart images, instead of including them
inline
Just a thought.
S.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
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Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
> The link is very nice! Can you add the cvs mail lists to see the activity
> of them too?
The page is for *all* public ASF lists. 'Public' meaning 'anyone
can subscribe without having to be moderated.' If there are
lists that aren't showing up, it means that they require
subscriptions to be moderated.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Antonio Gallardo <ag...@agssa.net>.
Hi Ken:
The link is very nice! Can you add the cvs mail lists to see the activity
of them too?
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo
On Jue, 2 de Diciembre de 2004, 6:52, Rodent of Unusual Size dijo:
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> I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit.
> (http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the
> moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below*
> the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph
> for each list.
>
> The graph shows subscription and post activity for up to the last
> 90 samples. Since the sample interval is 1 day, that generally means
> three months. If samples aren't collected for a week, though, it
> means the graph will cover 97 days, with the uncollected week's
> data silently missing from the graph.
>
> The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
> the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
> its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
> say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
> necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
>
> I've attached a sample graph from the derby-dev list.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Ben Laurie wrote:
>
>>>The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right.
>
>
> Excellent; that's a useful suggestion for a solution. Done. The
> left-hand side now shows the highwater mark for subscriptions, and
> the right-hand side shows it for posts.
>
>
>>>I must've missed the Page Length Tax announcement ;-)
>
>
> Didn't you hear? Tsk, tsk..
So why don't you have the peak right at the top instead of wasting the
top 20% - isn't there extra tax for blank sections?
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
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Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right.
Excellent; that's a useful suggestion for a solution. Done. The
left-hand side now shows the highwater mark for subscriptions, and
the right-hand side shows it for posts.
> I must've missed the Page Length Tax announcement ;-)
Didn't you hear? Tsk, tsk..
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>
>>>this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis?
>
>
> No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes
> sense. As I said,
>
>
>>>The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
>>>the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
>>>its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
>>>say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
>>>necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
>
>
> Trying to put numbers on it would require two sets of numbers, in
> two colours, on both axes. And to make them legible would require
> enlarging the image, which would make the page considerably longer.
The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right.
I must've missed the Page Length Tax announcement ;-)
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>
>>this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis?
>
>
> No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes
> sense.
I wrote a few shell scripts to do
http://simile.mit.edu/charts.html
I'm using the excellent Ploticus (http://ploticus.sf.net) tool to
generate the graphs out of simple space-separated data.
This is the script that does the subscribers:
http://simile.mit.edu/repository/site/scripts/stats/scripts/subscribers.script
it's ran every night and generates the data here
http://simile.mit.edu/charts/subscribers/general/data
[NOTE: there was a bug so the deltas are all screwed in the past, but it
should be fixed now]
http://simile.mit.edu/charts/subscribers/
The script is in the public domain so, feel free to use it or to tear
apart :-)
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Dave Brondsema <br...@apache.org>.
Quoting Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>:
> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
> > this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis?
>
> No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes
> sense. As I said,
>
> > The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
> > the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
> > its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
> > say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
> > necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
>
> Trying to put numbers on it would require two sets of numbers, in
> two colours, on both axes. And to make them legible would require
> enlarging the image, which would make the page considerably longer.
The second paragraph on the page is contextually removed from the graphs.
Personally, I only looked at the graphs and didn't have a clue what the blue
lines and red lines meant.
Labels without units would be nice. Or just a small "key" or "legend" link by
each graph which targets the 2nd paragraph (which then should be labelled "key"
or "legend").
Sorry for so much nit-pickyness. It's really cool to see the work you've put in
to this.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis?
No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes
sense. As I said,
> The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
> the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
> its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
> say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
> necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
Trying to put numbers on it would require two sets of numbers, in
two colours, on both axes. And to make them legible would require
enlarging the image, which would make the page considerably longer.
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#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@4quarters.com>.
this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis?
On Dec 2, 2004, at 7:52 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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> I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit.
> (http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the
> moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below*
> the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph
> for each list.
>
> The graph shows subscription and post activity for up to the last
> 90 samples. Since the sample interval is 1 day, that generally means
> three months. If samples aren't collected for a week, though, it
> means the graph will cover 97 days, with the uncollected week's
> data silently missing from the graph.
>
> The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
> the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
> its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
> say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
> necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
>
> I've attached a sample graph from the derby-dev list.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
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Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
> Echo Geir's "this is cool!" sentiment. Just to reconfirm, this is public data,
> correct? That is, I can post a link to this page on my blog, or on one of the
> public mailing lists itself...
Correct. There's nothing here that couldn't be scraped from public
archives. I'm just getting the date directly from the source rather
than scraping.
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Re: Update to mailing lists page
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Echo Geir's "this is cool!" sentiment. Just to reconfirm, this is public data,
correct? That is, I can post a link to this page on my blog, or on one of the
public mailing lists itself...
Yoav
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> wrote:
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> I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit.
> (http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the
> moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below*
> the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph
> for each list.
>
> The graph shows subscription and post activity for up to the last
> 90 samples. Since the sample interval is 1 day, that generally means
> three months. If samples aren't collected for a week, though, it
> means the graph will cover 97 days, with the uncollected week's
> data silently missing from the graph.
>
> The graph is for showing trends *only*. Both the post-count and
> the subscriber-count lines are scaled properly, but each uses
> its *own* scale to fit nicely into the chart. So you can safely
> say, 'Cool! More and more people are subscribing!' but not
> necessarily, 'Cool! Four people subscribed last Tuesday!'
>
> I've attached a sample graph from the derby-dev list.
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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