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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by eric b <er...@free.fr> on 2011/06/02 11:30:57 UTC
Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Hi,
For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
(http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools
and Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write
code (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
Feel free to improve the idea :-)
Regards,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 7 Jun 2011, at 08:58, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
>>> (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
>>>
>>> The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and
>>> Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code
>>> (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
>>>
>>> Feel free to improve the idea :-)
>>
>> If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I would be
>> happy to help facilitate this through our Community Development Project
>> (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program).
>
> Just an idea - but can or should OpenOffice Education start as a *new*
> podling in the incubator, sponsored by the Apache Community project?
> Probably it easier to separate these two projects and incubate the one
> as top level project, the other into Community (were it belongs).
ComDev is a foundation wide support project whereas the OO.o education is project specific.
I'd suggest we keep it part of this proposal for now. It's possible that during incubation we find that the right place is as a part of ComDev or we might find it's better to keep the OO.o specific stuff inside the OO.o community.
Let's use the incubation time to ensure we structure things right for OO.o
Ross
>
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Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
>> For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
>> (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
>>
>> The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and
>> Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code
>> (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
>>
>> Feel free to improve the idea :-)
>
> If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I would be
> happy to help facilitate this through our Community Development Project
> (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program).
Just an idea - but can or should OpenOffice Education start as a *new*
podling in the incubator, sponsored by the Apache Community project?
Probably it easier to separate these two projects and incubate the one
as top level project, the other into Community (were it belongs).
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Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@openoffice.org>.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note, I've signed up as a mentor on the proposal.
> >> We need to convince Ian Lynch to get involved too (if he's not already),
> >> but I'll work on him later ;-)
> >
> >
> > So far, Ian never helped us, but who knows :-)
>
>
> You might remember we did talk a few months back. My problem is simply that
> getting the certification through the regulatory processes and financially
> viable is more than a full time job already. We have mouths to feed here
> :-). However it has potential to produce income that could fund
> development.
> Not there yet but the OOo certification project is currently in negotiation
> with a large training provider in South America that could make a
> significant difference. It's also the sort of thing that can attract EU
> grant funding - Comenius funding for meetings and exchanges between schools
> should be easy. I can help with that sort of thing. We have a grant
> application in for about 300,000 Euros for developing OOo certification
> with
> the EU through Germany. Even if this is not successful we can do other
> applications.
>
for the record, certification project and education project are two
different projects in OOo.
Working with Eric in the Education project his aims are more to generate
developers through mentorship programs. While working with Ian in the
Certification project is to push user skill qualifications.
Originally the Eertification project was an initiative within Education but
the initiative got emancipated from the Education project into it's own.
Whenever Certification should rejoin the Education project, is maybe be an
idea to talk about further in the future. At least both projects are indeed
making inroads in their own ways.
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
>
> Note, I've signed up as a mentor on the proposal.
>> We need to convince Ian Lynch to get involved too (if he's not already),
>> but I'll work on him later ;-)
>
>
> So far, Ian never helped us, but who knows :-)
You might remember we did talk a few months back. My problem is simply that
getting the certification through the regulatory processes and financially
viable is more than a full time job already. We have mouths to feed here
:-). However it has potential to produce income that could fund development.
Not there yet but the OOo certification project is currently in negotiation
with a large training provider in South America that could make a
significant difference. It's also the sort of thing that can attract EU
grant funding - Comenius funding for meetings and exchanges between schools
should be easy. I can help with that sort of thing. We have a grant
application in for about 300,000 Euros for developing OOo certification with
the EU through Germany. Even if this is not successful we can do other
applications.
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi,
Le 7 juin 11 à 01:44, Ross Gardler a écrit :
> Eric,
>
> Thanks for the background.
You're welcome :)
> It would be great if you can repost this to the dev@community.a.o
> list if the podling is accepted.
Sure I'll do. But like you wrote : only if the podling is accepted.
> It's off topic for this list, but very much on topic over there.
I'm sorry for the off topic. I just wanted to provide some facts, and
figures.
> Note, I've signed up as a mentor on the proposal.
> We need to convince Ian Lynch to get involved too (if he's not
> already), but I'll work on him later ;-)
So far, Ian never helped us, but who knows :-)
Regards,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Eric,
Thanks for the background. It would be great if you can repost this to
the dev@community.a.o list if the podling is accepted. It's off topic
for this list, but very much on topic over there. Note, I've signed up
as a mentor on the proposal.
We need to convince Ian Lynch to get involved too (if he's not already),
but I'll work on him later ;-)
Ross
On 06/06/2011 23:34, eric b wrote:
> Hi Ross,
>
> Le 6 juin 11 à 23:52, Ross Gardler a écrit :
>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-)
>>>
>>> Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal,
>>> after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to attract new
>>> developers.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I
>>> could read ?
>>
>> The community development PMC is at http://community.apache.org the
>> mailing list is dev@community.apache.org
>>
>
> I bookmarked them, thanks ! Anyway, I'll probably subscribe to the dev@
> list, and present myself soon.
>
>
>
>> Most of our activity is on GSoC,
>
> EducOOo applied, but for some reason we were not accepted by Google. To
> be honest, I suspect something wrong, or worse on Google side.
>
> => the draft is here : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/GSoC2011
>
>
>> but we do have the occasional person going through our programme
>> independently. We'd like to step that up a gear, but haven't had a
>> great deal of success.
>
> If we can, we'll share our know-how. Nevertheless, I must recognize it
> is difficult for us, too, but we are lucky with some students who did a
> great work.
>
> See our welcome students :
> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/WelcomeStudents
>
>
>
>> Maybe your existing work will finally help us realise that.
>>
>
> Would be great to share and improve :-)
>
> I'll try to make it short : everything is shared online on our wiki
> (most of the time). The most recent Google SoC I mentored was last year,
> were I mentored Michal Spiziak :
>
> See : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/User:MSpisiak
> +
> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor/Baseline_AlignmentEquations
>
> and: http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor
>
> In fact I mentored (partialy) a second student, Jonas Finnemans Jensen,
> with Fridrich Strba
>
> See :
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ooo-build/SummerOfCode/2010/Jonas
>
> The previous Soc were in 2006 with Pierre de Filippis. It was my first
> participation, and we were at the beginning og the Aqua port of
> OpenOffice.org (I was the project Lead), so not much code has been
> written, but there as good excuses, discovering the beast. You can find
> some traces here :
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSX:_Complete_User_Interface_respecting_Aqua_Human_Interface_Guidelines
> , but I can find more information if you need it.
>
> In 2007, yet for the native Mac OS X port, I mentored Ismael Merzaq:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Log_Mac_Meeting_20th_April_2007
>
> Was more productive. See http://lebasket.free.fr/blog/
>
>
> But that's not all. We use to work with students, and their schools, and
> we try to explain how we hacked the code online (yet on the wiki).
> Important : the OpenOffice.org developers often helped us, and they had
> a big role in the story too.
>
> More information on our list of schools who participated is available
> here -> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/WelcomeStudents
> The features are proposed by teachers, and when everybody agrees, we
> implement what we can.
>
> Some examples :
>
> New Start Center :
> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/NewStartCenterBehavior
> Toolbars and levels :
> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ToolbarsAndUserLevel
> New cursors : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/AddNewCursors
> Protected preferences :
> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/PasswordProtectedPreferences (the
> page has been seen more than 27,000 times ... )
>
> + Online ClassRooms http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ClassRooms
>
> and so on
>
> Other features : the annotation mode, made by students from Ecole
> Centrale Nantes, and reverserd to OpenOffice.org
> As you can see, the list is very long, but we really can do a lot with
> schools, and the Education Project is really a good compromise to
> introduce FOSS.
>
> Last but not least, I have seen some valuable developers join the list
> on the incubator page, and I'm confident they will probably contribute
> too :-)
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Bachard
>
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Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi Ross,
Le 6 juin 11 à 23:52, Ross Gardler a écrit :
>>
>> Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-)
>>
>> Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main
>> goal,
>> after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to
>> attract new
>> developers.
>>
>> I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I
>> could read ?
>
> The community development PMC is at http://community.apache.org the
> mailing list is dev@community.apache.org
>
I bookmarked them, thanks ! Anyway, I'll probably subscribe to the
dev@ list, and present myself soon.
> Most of our activity is on GSoC,
EducOOo applied, but for some reason we were not accepted by Google.
To be honest, I suspect something wrong, or worse on Google side.
=> the draft is here : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/GSoC2011
> but we do have the occasional person going through our programme
> independently. We'd like to step that up a gear, but haven't had a
> great deal of success.
If we can, we'll share our know-how. Nevertheless, I must recognize
it is difficult for us, too, but we are lucky with some students who
did a great work.
See our welcome students : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/
WelcomeStudents
> Maybe your existing work will finally help us realise that.
>
Would be great to share and improve :-)
I'll try to make it short : everything is shared online on our wiki
(most of the time). The most recent Google SoC I mentored was last
year, were I mentored Michal Spiziak :
See : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/User:MSpisiak
+ http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor/
Baseline_AlignmentEquations
and: http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ImproveMathEquationEditor
In fact I mentored (partialy) a second student, Jonas Finnemans
Jensen, with Fridrich Strba
See : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ooo-build/SummerOfCode/
2010/Jonas
The previous Soc were in 2006 with Pierre de Filippis. It was my
first participation, and we were at the beginning og the Aqua port of
OpenOffice.org (I was the project Lead), so not much code has been
written, but there as good excuses, discovering the beast. You can
find some traces here : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/
MacOSX:_Complete_User_Interface_respecting_Aqua_Human_Interface_Guidelin
es , but I can find more information if you need it.
In 2007, yet for the native Mac OS X port, I mentored Ismael Merzaq:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Log_Mac_Meeting_20th_April_2007
Was more productive. See http://lebasket.free.fr/blog/
But that's not all. We use to work with students, and their schools,
and we try to explain how we hacked the code online (yet on the
wiki). Important : the OpenOffice.org developers often helped us, and
they had a big role in the story too.
More information on our list of schools who participated is available
here -> http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/WelcomeStudents
The features are proposed by teachers, and when everybody agrees, we
implement what we can.
Some examples :
New Start Center : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/
NewStartCenterBehavior
Toolbars and levels : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/
ToolbarsAndUserLevel
New cursors : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/AddNewCursors
Protected preferences : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/
PasswordProtectedPreferences (the page has been seen more than
27,000 times ... )
+ Online ClassRooms http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/ClassRooms
and so on
Other features : the annotation mode, made by students from Ecole
Centrale Nantes, and reverserd to OpenOffice.org
As you can see, the list is very long, but we really can do a lot
with schools, and the Education Project is really a good compromise
to introduce FOSS.
Last but not least, I have seen some valuable developers join the
list on the incubator page, and I'm confident they will probably
contribute too :-)
Regards,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
On 06/06/2011 14:30, eric b wrote:
> Hi Ross,
>
> Apologies, I just retrieved the mail one minute ago, sorting the n 750
> mails I received from this list.
>
> Le 2 juin 11 à 12:13, Ross Gardler a écrit :
>
>> On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
>>> (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
>>>
>>> The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and
>>> Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code
>>> (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
>>>
>>> Feel free to improve the idea :-)
>>
>> If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I
>> would be happy to help facilitate this through our Community
>> Development Project (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program).
>
> Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-)
>
> Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main goal,
> after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to attract new
> developers.
>
> I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I
> could read ?
The community development PMC is at http://community.apache.org the
mailing list is dev@community.apache.org
Most of our activity is on GSoC, but we do have the occasional person
going through our programme independently. We'd like to step that up a
gear, but haven't had a great deal of success. Maybe your existing work
will finally help us realise that.
Ross
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Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi Ross,
Apologies, I just retrieved the mail one minute ago, sorting the n
750 mails I received from this list.
Le 2 juin 11 à 12:13, Ross Gardler a écrit :
> On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
>> (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
>>
>> The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High
>> Schools and
>> Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code
>> (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
>>
>> Feel free to improve the idea :-)
>
> If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I
> would be happy to help facilitate this through our Community
> Development Project (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program).
Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot :-)
Mentoring is essential in the Education Project, because our main
goal, after create a strong bridge with Educational world, was to
attract new developers.
I'm a bit lost with the Apache Fondation website. Do you have links I
could read ?
Thanks in advance,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Added Education Project idea to the OpenOffice.org Apache incubator
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
On 02/06/2011 10:30, eric b wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For the record, I added the Education Project idea on the wiki page
> (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal).
>
> The idea we defend since several years, is to work with High Schools and
> Universities, train students, detect potential good ideas, write code
> (contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code desserves it).
>
> Feel free to improve the idea :-)
If this is something that the OOo proposal wants to take forward I would
be happy to help facilitate this through our Community Development
Project (this is the PMC that runs our mentoring program).
Ross
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