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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> on 2009/10/12 03:06:53 UTC
Re: Slide lists (was: [PROPOSAL] One development list)
A related side note - some time back I think there was a request to
shut down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the
radar. Is that desired now?
On 10/10/2009, at 8:43 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> [Out of necessity, this is heavily cross-posted. Suggestion is to send
> any replies to the general@jakarta list only to keep any discussion in
> one place.]
>
> We currently have 8 active development lists at Jakarta, each devoted
> to a subproject. I've been subscribed to all for a while and based on
> my observations and the overall benefits of doing so, I think its time
> to consolidate them into a single development list at Jakarta.
>
> Motivations (not in any order):
> * Flattens and simplifies oversight - Not much else to be said on
> that.
> * Communication - Subprojects can often have various touch points.
> So, Rony's surprise today at the BSF taglib being retired is one
> example. Lets have all dev discussions on one list.
> * Cross-pollination - Most subprojects are at the point where it
> certainly wouldn't hurt to have the active folks from all of Jakarta
> around for dev discussions, votes etc.
> * Manageable overhead - More on this later, but we have a number of
> usual suspects showing up on many of the dev lists, they'd barely
> notice a difference. Others can manage, IMO/hopefully.
>
> Operationally:
> * The combined list traffic will obviously be more than any one of
> the separate lists. However, development tends to be in spurts on
> these lists and the probabilistic chances of more than a couple of
> subproject spurts happening at the same time seems quite low. Overall,
> combined traffic is not at all overpowering IMO.
> * The proposal will include closing current dev lists and adding all
> subscribers to the one new dev list. We'll post a heads up on these
> lists before that. Throw in site-cvs@ as well for good measure.
> * We could repurpose general@ as the one dev list, but OTOH, seems
> worthwhile to maintain the dev / general separation.
> * No changes proposed to the user lists.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Lets say a little over a week (10 days, which should give us two
> weekends) for initial feedback and opinions please.
>
> -Rahul
>
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Re: Slide lists (was: [PROPOSAL] One development list)
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/attic-general/200902.mbox/%3CA3AF8739-D168-44B6-8544-201F8D5B5948@dslextreme.com%3E
On 13/10/2009, at 6:18 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> A related side note - some time back I think there was a request to
>> shut
>> down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the radar.
>> Is that
>> desired now?
>>
> <snip/>
>
> ISTR some discussion but its been a while. Before I go digging in the
> archives, do you happen to have a pointer to a conclusive post / JIRA
> on this?
>
> (if nothing else, slide-dev folds into the proposal here, slide-user
> fate can be discussed thereafter)
>
> -Rahul
>
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Re: Slide lists (was: [PROPOSAL] One development list)
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> A related side note - some time back I think there was a request to shut
> down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the radar. Is that
> desired now?
>
<snip/>
ISTR some discussion but its been a while. Before I go digging in the
archives, do you happen to have a pointer to a conclusive post / JIRA
on this?
(if nothing else, slide-dev folds into the proposal here, slide-user
fate can be discussed thereafter)
-Rahul
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Re: Slide lists
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 14/10/2009, at 5:37 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net>
> wrote:
>> Brett Porter wrote:
>>>
>>> A related side note - some time back I think there was a request
>>> to shut
>>> down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the radar.
>>> Is that
>>> desired now?
>>
>> At the time when we retired Slide, the idea was to keep the
>> lists open in case somebody picks up interest. Based on this
>> year's activity on the lists, I'd say there is no interest.
>> The lists can be shut down.
> <snip/>
>
> Unless Brett sees this over the next few days, I suggest sending an
> email / adding a JIRA for infra. I think we'd want a last post for the
> archives asking further communication to be on general@j and then we
> can close the lists.
Seen, but I still prefer it be added to JIRA by someone.
>
>
>> Since there are still automated mails being sent to slide-dev
>> from Bugzilla and Gump, that address should be forwarded to
>> an existing mailing list.
>>
> <snap/>
>
> Or point Bugzilla and Gump to general@j (even discontinue Gump if the
> nags are bound to fall on deaf ears).
Notifications should be turned off for slide, IMO.
- Brett
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Re: Slide lists
Posted by David Fisher <df...@jmlafferty.com>.
Hi -
> Or point Bugzilla and Gump to general@j (even discontinue Gump if the
> nags are bound to fall on deaf ears).
Please do not - this discussion is a lot of traffic for general@j.
Or, maybe this Apache POI person should finish his migration and
unsubscribe?
Best Regards,
Dave
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Re: Slide lists
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net> wrote:
> Brett Porter wrote:
>>
>> A related side note - some time back I think there was a request to shut
>> down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the radar. Is that
>> desired now?
>
> At the time when we retired Slide, the idea was to keep the
> lists open in case somebody picks up interest. Based on this
> year's activity on the lists, I'd say there is no interest.
> The lists can be shut down.
<snip/>
Unless Brett sees this over the next few days, I suggest sending an
email / adding a JIRA for infra. I think we'd want a last post for the
archives asking further communication to be on general@j and then we
can close the lists.
> Since there are still automated mails being sent to slide-dev
> from Bugzilla and Gump, that address should be forwarded to
> an existing mailing list.
>
<snap/>
Or point Bugzilla and Gump to general@j (even discontinue Gump if the
nags are bound to fall on deaf ears).
-Rahul
> cheers,
> Roland
>
>
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Re: Slide lists
Posted by Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net>.
Brett Porter wrote:
> A related side note - some time back I think there was a request to shut
> down the slide user and dev lists, but that slipped off the radar. Is
> that desired now?
At the time when we retired Slide, the idea was to keep the
lists open in case somebody picks up interest. Based on this
year's activity on the lists, I'd say there is no interest.
The lists can be shut down.
Since there are still automated mails being sent to slide-dev
from Bugzilla and Gump, that address should be forwarded to
an existing mailing list.
cheers,
Roland
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