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[Proposal]: Call for donations
Hi,
in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
more donations and use our brand more effective.
When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
think how we can improve it.
I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
with any public announcement.
And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
big problem for us to collect the money we need.
Juergen
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
sorry for my top posting but I always fail to quote emails like this correct.
It is no big thing here, the ASF had a pay pal account and people can donate whatever they want. We simply have to encourage people to do it and gave to make clear that donations are made for ASF and not only AOO. Nothing more and nothing less, quite straight forward and transparent to everybody.
@Raphael, I don't have a problem to use our popular brand to collect money for the ASF in general. It' s gone for me if other good open source projects can benefit as well. It simply have to be clear from the beginning.
Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013 um 18:04 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
> The PPMC went through this some time ago, because there were OO.o-specific donation mechanisms that had to be either retired or redirected to ASF donations. (There is a small-donation place for ASF donations. I used it once to see how it worked.)
>
> Start here: <http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html>.
>
> As I recall: Short answer: the project can't solicit donations for project-specific purposes. Longer answer: (1) Outside parties can raise funds *and*disburse*them* for whatever they want to support, such as student attendance at conferences, whatever. GSoC provides funding to the GSoC "interns." (2) That party can't claim any affiliation with ASF or an Apache Project and there had better be no confusion about that.
> - Dennis
>
> PS: There was also a complex process to transfer an account balance from a project-targeting fund raiser to the ASF. Ross Gardler should remember the details. Louis Suárez-Potts knows more about the actual deal also.
>
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> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 07:21
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
> > I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
> > whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
> > to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
> > generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
> >
>
> [ ... ]
> > And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> > big problem for us to collect the money we need.
> >
>
>
> I generally like the idea, and it would be easy to implement. But we
> should check with appropriate ASF officers (treasurer?) or committees to
> make sure this would work, and to see if there are any rules we must follow
> with regards to solicitations. For example, it isn't clear to me whether
> we're equipped to handle many small donations, or whether the ASF mainly
> works with large corporate donations. It could be an administrative
> problem to get thousands of 20 euro donations if they need to be processed
> manually, for example.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Juergen
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RE: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
The PPMC went through this some time ago, because there were OO.o-specific donation mechanisms that had to be either retired or redirected to ASF donations. (There is a small-donation place for ASF donations. I used it once to see how it worked.)
Start here: <http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html>.
As I recall: Short answer: the project can't solicit donations for project-specific purposes. Longer answer: (1) Outside parties can raise funds *and*disburse*them* for whatever they want to support, such as student attendance at conferences, whatever. GSoC provides funding to the GSoC "interns." (2) That party can't claim any affiliation with ASF or an Apache Project and there had better be no confusion about that.
- Dennis
PS: There was also a complex process to transfer an account balance from a project-targeting fund raiser to the ASF. Ross Gardler should remember the details. Louis Suárez-Potts knows more about the actual deal also.
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From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 07:21
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
[ ... ]
> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
[ ... ]
> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>
>
I generally like the idea, and it would be easy to implement. But we
should check with appropriate ASF officers (treasurer?) or committees to
make sure this would work, and to see if there are any rules we must follow
with regards to solicitations. For example, it isn't clear to me whether
we're equipped to handle many small donations, or whether the ASF mainly
works with large corporate donations. It could be an administrative
problem to get thousands of 20 euro donations if they need to be processed
manually, for example.
-Rob
> Juergen
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>
> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
> think how we can improve it.
>
> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>
> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
> with any public announcement.
>
> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>
>
I generally like the idea, and it would be easy to implement. But we
should check with appropriate ASF officers (treasurer?) or committees to
make sure this would work, and to see if there are any rules we must follow
with regards to solicitations. For example, it isn't clear to me whether
we're equipped to handle many small donations, or whether the ASF mainly
works with large corporate donations. It could be an administrative
problem to get thousands of 20 euro donations if they need to be processed
manually, for example.
-Rob
> Juergen
>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/4/13 2:46 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:33 +0200
> Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
>> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
>> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
>> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>>
>> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
>> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
>> think how we can improve it.
>>
>> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
>> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
>> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
>> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>>
>> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
>> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
>> with any public announcement.
>>
>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>
> While I understand and agree with a call for donations, do I remember that a very early discussion on this list mentioned that donations to Apache could not be project specific, or am I misremembering and that the mentioned restriction was only flaw specific? That is, that one could donate, but could not specify that the donation was to be applied to fix flaw X.
>
yes that is true but we can explain how AOO benefit from this donations
to ASF. I don't see this really as a big problem. But of course we have
to make this very clear.
Juergen
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:22:33 +0200
Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>
> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
> think how we can improve it.
>
> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>
> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
> with any public announcement.
>
> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>
> Juergen
>
While I understand and agree with a call for donations, do I remember that a very early discussion on this list mentioned that donations to Apache could not be project specific, or am I misremembering and that the mentioned restriction was only flaw specific? That is, that one could donate, but could not specify that the donation was to be applied to fix flaw X.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 04/04/2013 04:29 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:
>
> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
>>> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
>>> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
>>> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>>>
>>> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
>>> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
>>> think how we can improve it.
>>>
>>> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
>>> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
>>> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
>>> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>>>
>>> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
>>> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
>>> with any public announcement.
>>>
>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>>>
>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
>> task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project
>> work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome
>> if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of
>> view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.
>>
>> So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: "Nice
>> idea, wrong place." Just my option.
>>
>
> Of course it's not our task to do/handle/manage the donations for the ASF.
> But how I understood Juergen's proposal this is not the case here.
>
> But we are profiting of these donations. So, I don't see any problems to
> support to increase them and to ask our users/contributors/friends to give
> some dollars/euros/... to the ASF.
>
> It's just a question of "what can we do to *help* the ASF as long as it's
> not a full time job".
>
>
That's a good way to think of it. We" (AOO) don't run ApacheCon either,
but when registration gets close we're happy to send a note to our users
list and even put a button on our website to help drive greater
attendance. If there is a fundraising drive I'm sure we can find a way to
help in similar way.
-Rob
> Marcus
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 04/04/2013 04:29 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher:
> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>> Hi,
>>
>> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
>> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
>> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
>> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>>
>> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
>> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
>> think how we can improve it.
>>
>> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
>> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
>> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
>> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>>
>> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
>> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
>> with any public announcement.
>>
>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
> task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project
> work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome
> if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of
> view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.
>
> So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: "Nice
> idea, wrong place." Just my option.
Of course it's not our task to do/handle/manage the donations for the
ASF. But how I understood Juergen's proposal this is not the case here.
But we are profiting of these donations. So, I don't see any problems to
support to increase them and to ask our users/contributors/friends to
give some dollars/euros/... to the ASF.
It's just a question of "what can we do to *help* the ASF as long as
it's not a full time job".
Marcus
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/5/13 4:22 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> We can easily copy the "Donate" button from the footer to the topnav.
>>
>>
> The pages are already so busy that making anything stand out is rather
> difficult.
>
> I'll give you an example. We (Samer and I) did an experiment with
> different placements of the social sharing links. So we weren't asking for
> money or anything like that. We were just asking users to friend us on
> Facebook.
>
> We tracked the response rate over a two week period.
>
> For placement up on the navbar or to the right of search, the response rate
> was 0.04%.
>
> For further down on the page, in its own section (how we have it now) the
> response rate was 0.19%.
>
> The best rate was right front and center, above the announcement with
> graphics. That had 0.34% response rate. Though that was the best, we
> opted not to go with it since it was not really appropriate for permanent
> use, though it might work OK for a temporary campaign.
>
> (We also did some variations that were text-only, but the versions with
> graphics did better each time)
>
> So with 0.34% response rate on click through, we'd get maybe 2500
> clicks/day. Not sure what % of those would actually contribute, but even at
> 1% that adds up over a while.
Well I would prefer a better and more prominent place on the page in
general but I trust your experiment with Samer and the facebook link. If
we don't find a really good place we can of course repeat this
periodically. I don't know every 3 month or at least combined with new
releases.
But we should definitely prepare a blog post that 40 million downloads
and the related traffic are not for free, the forum and wiki is not for
free etc. Simply presenting the facts and describe how donation will
help to run all this. We have good partners like sourceforge but any
single individual can help as well. PayPal can handle many small donations.
But yes we have to align this with fundrasing to ensure that we do it
correct and in a way that they can handle it.
>
> Another entirely unrelated approach would be to have an Amazon Affiliate
> account for the ASF and then have a listing of books related to Apache
> projects. The ASF would then get a % of each referred sale. That could be
> huge, especially with the Hadoop family of projects.
>
interesting idea, who would be able to work on something like this. I
assume fundraising, you should share the idea with them
Juergen
> -Rob
>
>
>> We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their
>> language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a
>> time to do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.
>>
>> Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some
>> variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>>
>>> You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
>>> much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the "Please donate"
>>> request.
>>>
>>> (fundraising@ is privately-archived)
>>>
>>> Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
>>>> FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
>>>> in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
>>>> contribution page accordingly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Raphael Bircher wrote:
>>>>>> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>>>>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't
>> be a
>>>>>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>>>>>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do
>> this
>>>>>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's
>> the
>>>>>> task for the foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should
>> definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads
>> excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects
>> put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice
>> infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional
>> expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to
>> drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit
>> from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> We can easily copy the "Donate" button from the footer to the topnav.
>
>
The pages are already so busy that making anything stand out is rather
difficult.
I'll give you an example. We (Samer and I) did an experiment with
different placements of the social sharing links. So we weren't asking for
money or anything like that. We were just asking users to friend us on
Facebook.
We tracked the response rate over a two week period.
For placement up on the navbar or to the right of search, the response rate
was 0.04%.
For further down on the page, in its own section (how we have it now) the
response rate was 0.19%.
The best rate was right front and center, above the announcement with
graphics. That had 0.34% response rate. Though that was the best, we
opted not to go with it since it was not really appropriate for permanent
use, though it might work OK for a temporary campaign.
(We also did some variations that were text-only, but the versions with
graphics did better each time)
So with 0.34% response rate on click through, we'd get maybe 2500
clicks/day. Not sure what % of those would actually contribute, but even at
1% that adds up over a while.
Another entirely unrelated approach would be to have an Amazon Affiliate
account for the ASF and then have a listing of books related to Apache
projects. The ASF would then get a % of each referred sale. That could be
huge, especially with the Hadoop family of projects.
-Rob
> We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their
> language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a
> time to do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.
>
> Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some
> variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> > You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
> > much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the "Please donate"
> > request.
> >
> > (fundraising@ is privately-archived)
> >
> > Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
> >> FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
> >> in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
> >> contribution page accordingly.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Raphael Bircher wrote:
> >>>> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> >>>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't
> be a
> >>>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
> >>>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do
> this
> >>>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's
> the
> >>>> task for the foundation.
> >>>
> >>> The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should
> definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads
> excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects
> put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice
> infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional
> expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
> >>>
> >>> In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to
> drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit
> from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrea.
> >>>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
We can easily copy the "Donate" button from the footer to the topnav.
We can request that l10n teams add a translated donate button for their language. If they haven't translated their brand and topnav now would a time to do so. We would want to translate the fundraising page, too.
Is this a vehicle for incrementally starting the new web hierarchy? Some variation on the plans that many of us have kicked around?
On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
> much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the "Please donate"
> request.
>
> (fundraising@ is privately-archived)
>
> Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
>> FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
>> in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
>> contribution page accordingly.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Raphael Bircher wrote:
>>>> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>>>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>>>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
>>>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
>>>> task for the foundation.
>>>
>>> The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
>>>
>>> In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <da...@apache.org>.
You might want to talk to fundraising@ before you do anything --- not as
much for permission as for ideas on how to frame the "Please donate"
request.
(fundraising@ is privately-archived)
Joseph Schaefer wrote on Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 18:38:18 -0400:
> FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
> in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
> contribution page accordingly.
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Raphael Bircher wrote:
> >> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> >>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> >>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
> >> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
> >> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
> >> task for the foundation.
> >
> > The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
> >
> > In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
> >
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/5/13 12:38 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote:
> FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
> in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
> contribution page accordingly.
>
that is what I have expected of course. I know the numbers of the past
;-) But we can do better and can benefit all from more.
Juergen
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Raphael Bircher wrote:
>>> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
>>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
>>> task for the foundation.
>>
>> The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
>>
>> In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Joseph Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
FWIW last time I checked there was a huge increase
in paypal donations once OpenOffice adjusted it's
contribution page accordingly.
On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Raphael Bircher wrote:
>> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
>> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
>> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
>> task for the foundation.
>
> The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!) generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
>
> In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
>> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
> I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
> on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
> task for the foundation.
The Foundation is made by its projects, so OpenOffice should definitely
help with fundraising. Consider that OpenOffice (downloads excluded!)
generates as much web traffic as all the other Apache projects put
together, or something reasonably close to that. Also, the OpenOffice
infrastructure requirements (buildbots, management) generates additional
expenses for the Foundation that only benefit the OpenOffice project.
In short: if OpenOffice can use its web traffic and popularity to drive
more donations to the Foundation, it will surely directly benefit from
most of them. So I agree with Juergen that we should solicit donations.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [Proposal]: Call for donations
Posted by Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch>.
Am 04.04.13 14:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> Hi,
>
> in relation to our budget planning I asked myself if OpenOffice has any
> impact on the donations to the ASF? Well I don't know and we can
> probably figure this out but the question is what can we do ti collect
> more donations and use our brand more effective.
>
> When I look on our main website I found a tiny donation link in the
> footer only. From my point of view this is not good enough and we should
> think how we can improve it.
>
> I can think of a much more prominent and more visible donation link or
> whatever to make clear that OpenOffice will still benefit from donations
> to the ASF. We have more IT requirements than other ASF projects, we
> generate more network traffic, etc. and all this cost money.
>
> Furthermore I can think of a blog post to promote this in some way and
> do a public call for donation. We should of course do this more often
> with any public announcement.
>
> And opinions or further ideas how we can improve this? It shouldn't be a
> big problem for us to collect the money we need.
I disagree. Yes, we can help with foundings for ASF, but please do this
on ASF Level. Founding money is not the task of a ASF project, It's the
task for the foundation. It would be nice, if sameone from our project
work with the foundrising team from ASF. I personaly would also welcome
if the fundrising team use OOo to generate monay. But for my point of
view it's not a topic we (as Apache OpenOffice) project has to care about.
So do this on Foundation level and not here. With other words: "Nice
idea, wrong place." Just my option.
Greetings Raphael
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