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Posted to graffito-dev@incubator.apache.org by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> on 2007/04/11 08:49:22 UTC
Graffito update
Hi,
[Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
follow up on graffito-dev]
The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
current status:
* JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
into a Jackrabbit subproject.
* Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
since the status discussions two months ago.
Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
Jackrabbit.
Comments?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 4/11/07, David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> > On 4/11/07, David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com> wrote:
> >> What exactly are we sponsoring?
> >
> > The Portals project is still marked as the sponsor of the Graffito
> > project. I wanted to explicitly FYI the PMC as I'm not sure how many
> > are still actively monitoring the Graffito mailing lists.
>
> OK, so you are not asking us to sponsor, I misread that
Exactly. The main reason for FYI'ing you is to ensure that possibly
terminated a project whose entry into the Incubator Portals originally
sponsored won't come as a surprise to anyone on the Portals PMC.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com>.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/11/07, David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com> wrote:
>> What exactly are we sponsoring?
>
> The Portals project is still marked as the sponsor of the Graffito
> project. I wanted to explicitly FYI the PMC as I'm not sure how many
> are still actively monitoring the Graffito mailing lists.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
OK, so you are not asking us to sponsor, I misread that
As I stated on the Graffito list, I don't have a problem with moving
JCR Mapping to the Jackrabbit project
If it gets more community support there its great
As for dismantling Graffito, thats fine
I will resurrect the concepts in Jetspeed core
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 4/11/07, David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com> wrote:
> What exactly are we sponsoring?
The Portals project is still marked as the sponsor of the Graffito
project. I wanted to explicitly FYI the PMC as I'm not sure how many
are still actively monitoring the Graffito mailing lists.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com>.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 1:56 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Oops, couldn't get through at first since I wasn't subscribed on
> general@portals. See below for an update on the incubating Graffito
> project. Any thoughts or wishes from Portals as the sponsoring TLP?
>
What exactly are we sponsoring?
I thought that you plans are to:
1. terminate Graffito
2. move JCR Mapping component to a JCR subproject
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> Date: Apr 11, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: Graffito update
> To: graffito-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: general@portals.apache.org
>
>
> Hi,
>
> [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> follow up on graffito-dev]
>
> The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
> current status:
>
> * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
> still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
> into a Jackrabbit subproject.
>
> * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> since the status discussions two months ago.
>
> Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> Jackrabbit.
>
> Comments?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
Fwd: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Oops, couldn't get through at first since I wasn't subscribed on
general@portals. See below for an update on the incubating Graffito
project. Any thoughts or wishes from Portals as the sponsoring TLP?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 11, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Graffito update
To: graffito-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@portals.apache.org
Hi,
[Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
follow up on graffito-dev]
The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
current status:
* JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
into a Jackrabbit subproject.
* Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
since the status discussions two months ago.
Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
Jackrabbit.
Comments?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 4/17/07, ruchi goel <Ru...@sun.com> wrote:
> I have some enhancements to be committed to jcr-mappng. Do you suggest
> that I should be doing it only after it gets moved to Jackrabbit project ?
No need to wait, just submit your enhancements to the Graffito issue
tracker. I'm not yet sure how in practice we'll transition JCR mapping
issues in Graffito to Jackrabbit, but I'm confident that we'll find a
way that isn't too disruptive.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by ruchi goel <Ru...@Sun.COM>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> follow up on graffito-dev]
>
> The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
> current status:
>
> * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
> still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
> into a Jackrabbit subproject.
>
> * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> since the status discussions two months ago.
>
> Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> Jackrabbit.
I have some enhancements to be committed to jcr-mappng. Do you suggest
that I should be doing it only after it gets
moved to Jackrabbit project ?
-Ruchi
>
> Comments?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Alexandru Popescu ☀ <th...@gmail.com>.
On 4/11/07, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> follow up on graffito-dev]
>
> The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
> current status:
>
> * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
> still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
> into a Jackrabbit subproject.
>
Same here... but the interest still exists.
> * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> since the status discussions two months ago.
>
> Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> Jackrabbit.
>
No comments on this, as I was never interested in it.
bests,
./alex
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> Comments?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
If there is no interested community for the remaining code or the
original idea, i think it's best to retire the project.
So +1 for the proposed ideas.
Carsten
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/11/07, Christophe Lombart <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> When do you want to move the jcr mapping components into Jackrabbit?
>
> I originally wanted to push for a release of the component to get a
> clear baseline that the rest of the Graffito project could continue
> using until we get the component integrated in the regular Jackrabbit
> release process. But if we are to retire Graffito as dormant then
> having the release out is not so important. I'll poll the Jackrabbit
> PMC for opinions on how to best proceed with the move.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
--
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http://www.osoco.org/weblogs/rael/
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
If there is no interested community for the remaining code or the
original idea, i think it's best to retire the project.
So +1 for the proposed ideas.
Carsten
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4/11/07, Christophe Lombart <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> When do you want to move the jcr mapping components into Jackrabbit?
>
> I originally wanted to push for a release of the component to get a
> clear baseline that the rest of the Graffito project could continue
> using until we get the component integrated in the regular Jackrabbit
> release process. But if we are to retire Graffito as dormant then
> having the release out is not so important. I'll poll the Jackrabbit
> PMC for opinions on how to best proceed with the move.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
--
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http://www.osoco.org/weblogs/rael/
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 4/11/07, Christophe Lombart <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When do you want to move the jcr mapping components into Jackrabbit?
I originally wanted to push for a release of the component to get a
clear baseline that the rest of the Graffito project could continue
using until we get the component integrated in the regular Jackrabbit
release process. But if we are to retire Graffito as dormant then
having the release out is not so important. I'll poll the Jackrabbit
PMC for opinions on how to best proceed with the move.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Christophe Lombart <ch...@gmail.com>.
I'm ok with the Jukka proposal.
When do you want to move the jcr mapping components into Jackrabbit ?
I'm need more time to work on the first release (see on :
http://www.nabble.com/JCR-Mapping-release-t3160384.html).
On 4/11/07, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 4/11/07, Evangelos Vlachogiannis <ev...@aegean.gr> wrote:
> > Does this mean that there wont be any portal CMS?
>
> The code is still there, but as of now it doesn't seem like there's
> too much interest in the idea.
>
> > Does Jackrabbit include any JSR168 CMS portlet that can be
> > used with Jetspeed2?
>
> No, at least not currently.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On 4/11/07, Evangelos Vlachogiannis <ev...@aegean.gr> wrote:
> Does this mean that there wont be any portal CMS?
The code is still there, but as of now it doesn't seem like there's
too much interest in the idea.
> Does Jackrabbit include any JSR168 CMS portlet that can be
> used with Jetspeed2?
No, at least not currently.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Graffito update
Posted by Evangelos Vlachogiannis <ev...@aegean.gr>.
Hi,
Does this mean that there wont be any portal CMS? Does Jackrabbit
include any JSR168 CMS portlet that can be used with Jetspeed2?
BR,
Vangelis
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> follow up on graffito-dev]
>
> The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
> current status:
>
> * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
> still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
> into a Jackrabbit subproject.
>
> * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> since the status discussions two months ago.
>
> Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> Jackrabbit.
>
> Comments?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
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Re: Graffito update
Posted by Marky Goldstein <re...@rosa.com>.
"Thanks, good to hear.
We will have another bug fix release coming out in a month or so (2.1.1)
Where as Graffito is going away, we will still build content support
into the Jetspeed 2.2 site and page components "
Good to hear.
IBM WebSphere Portal now included WCM...
BEA Portal is including some Web Content Management facility..
JBoss Portal also positions itself there theoretically...
Microsoft Sharepoint includes WCM..
It's definitively a trend...
I think the trouble here is, that this is a lot of work and that Graffito
was not at all a bad idea, no it was just too much work for the amount
of comitters at the time and therefore when the work can be splitted into
smaller compoents that can grow over the years, it should still be the
target for Jetspeed to include, collaborate or build content features in one
or the other layer..
Thanks to everybody,
Greets,
Marky
Re: Graffito update
Posted by David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com>.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 1:50 PM, LOGAN Charles wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm just a "lurker" at this point on this list and new to Graffito and
> Jetspeed (and Java in general), but like what I've seen and have been
> working through my learning curve to become a Java, web developer.
>
> I've seen the Jahia project and was hoping that Graffito would become
> the free substitute/companion to Jetspeed. I'm "free-time" developing
> sites for charity and non-profit orgs leaving Jahia w/ cost
> involved for
> non-profits.
>
> Since it appears that this project will be put on ice, if anyone could
> point me to another similar project that would be free to both charity
> and non-profit orgs, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Wish you all well on your future endeavors.
>
> Thanks,
> Charlie Logan
>
> PS David & Jetspeed team, nice work on Jetspeed 2.1. Thanks. Wish I
> knew enough to contribute.
>
Thanks, good to hear.
We will have another bug fix release coming out in a month or so
(2.1.1)
Where as Graffito is going away, we will still build content support
into the Jetspeed 2.2 site and page components
RE: Graffito update
Posted by Stéphane Croisier <sc...@jahia.com>.
At 22:50 11.04.2007, you wrote:
>I've seen the Jahia project and was hoping that Graffito would become
>the free substitute/companion to Jetspeed. I'm "free-time" developing
>sites for charity and non-profit orgs leaving Jahia w/ cost involved for
>non-profits.
Just for your information, a free community
edition of Jahia which includes both some Portal
(based on J2) and WCM features exists. Moreover
all editions (including all commercial ones) are
free of charge for charity orgs.
Else, regarding the end of the Graffito project
and having developed an integrated CMS coupled to
J2, I am quite sure that we could redo something
based on a futrue version of Jahia. Jahia will
move to Jackrabbit (future version 6.0 - we
wanted to move faster into that direction... but
you know what it is: too many customers to deal
with, not enough time to refactor existing
code... and your product roadmap is always
delayed...). Combined with such a move, we want
to better isolate open source versus commercial
features (which is not possible right now based
on the existing code base). So this also mean
that a possible contribution of our combined J2
Portal+WCMS+DMS stack would be possible in a near future.
Cheers,
Stéphane
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RE: Graffito update
Posted by LOGAN Charles <Ch...@alcatel-lucent.com>.
Hi,
I'm just a "lurker" at this point on this list and new to Graffito and
Jetspeed (and Java in general), but like what I've seen and have been
working through my learning curve to become a Java, web developer.
I've seen the Jahia project and was hoping that Graffito would become
the free substitute/companion to Jetspeed. I'm "free-time" developing
sites for charity and non-profit orgs leaving Jahia w/ cost involved for
non-profits.
Since it appears that this project will be put on ice, if anyone could
point me to another similar project that would be free to both charity
and non-profit orgs, I would greatly appreciate it.
Wish you all well on your future endeavors.
Thanks,
Charlie Logan
PS David & Jetspeed team, nice work on Jetspeed 2.1. Thanks. Wish I
knew enough to contribute.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sean Taylor [mailto:david@bluesunrise.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:45 AM
> To: graffito-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Graffito update
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> > follow up on graffito-dev]
> >
> > The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My
> thoughts on the
> > current status:
> >
> > * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> > have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> > there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix,
> and Ruchi. I
> > still think there's enough activity and interest to move
> the component
> > into a Jackrabbit subproject.
> >
> > * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> > since the status discussions two months ago.
> >
>
> I use the Graffito API in several applications Being that it
> is not the standard, it looks like I will need to convert the
> apps to JCR or JCR Mapping
>
> The Graffito portlets are a bit dated, so I wouldn't mind
> reworking them into Jetspeed core
>
> > Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> > project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> > Jackrabbit.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
>
> +0
> I don't want to see the project die, but being that I haven't
> committed for a very long time, I feel I don't have a valid
> argument
> for keeping it going
>
>
Re: Graffito update
Posted by David Sean Taylor <da...@bluesunrise.com>.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
> follow up on graffito-dev]
>
> The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
> current status:
>
> * JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
> have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
> there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
> still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
> into a Jackrabbit subproject.
>
> * Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
> since the status discussions two months ago.
>
I use the Graffito API in several applications
Being that it is not the standard, it looks like I will need to
convert the apps to JCR or JCR Mapping
The Graffito portlets are a bit dated, so I wouldn't mind reworking
them into Jetspeed core
> Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
> project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
> Jackrabbit.
>
> Comments?
>
+0
I don't want to see the project die, but being that I haven't
committed for a very long time, I feel I don't have a valid argument
for keeping it going
Fwd: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Forwarding this as a FYI to the general Incubator mailing list. We're
considering retirement of the Graffito project due to lack of activity
even after the restructuring discussions a while ago. I'll have more
on this in the Graffito report in a few days, but any comments already
now are of course welcome.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 11, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Graffito update
To: graffito-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@portals.apache.org
Hi,
[Cc:ing general@portals as the sponsoring PMC of Graffito, please
follow up on graffito-dev]
The time for a Graffito report is again coming up. My thoughts on the
current status:
* JCR Mapping: I unfortunately haven't had as much time as I would
have wanted to push for a release of the JCR Mapping component, but
there's still been activity thanks to Christophe, Felix, and Ruchi. I
still think there's enough activity and interest to move the component
into a Jackrabbit subproject.
* Graffito: The rest of the Graffito project has seen no activity
since the status discussions two months ago.
Based on this I'd be ready to recommend terminating the Graffito
project as dormant once the JCR Mapping component has been moved to
Jackrabbit.
Comments?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Graffito update
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for the comments! Based on the feedback I've prepared the
following report:
<report>
Graffito is a framework for content-based applications, especially in
portlet environments. Graffito entered incubation on September 20,
2004.
Despite recent efforts the level of activity within the Graffito
project remains low. The only part of the project that enjoys
continued interest and commit activity is the JCR Mapping component,
whose transfer into a subproject of Apache Jackrabbit is being
prepared.
There is little indication that the level of activity within other
parts of the Graffito project would increase in future, so we will
most likely request termination of the project as dormant as soon as
the JCR Mapping component has been moved to Apache Jackrabbit.
</report>
BR,
Jukka Zitting