[SLACK] - Channel

[fp...@apache.org]

Hi,

I was thinking about creating a Hop channel on the ASF Slack to have
some quick discussion.

Thoughts?

regards,

-- 
François
fpapon@apache.org

Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[Matt Casters <ma...@neo4j.com.INVALID>]

If there are things to discuss in a more informal way, why not simply join
https://chat.project-hop.org
It's open (source) and free so perhaps a bit easier.

Right now it seems we're sort of stuck with all sorts of infrastructure
needs and wants.
I think our priority should be to try and get past these or I think we risk
stalling the whole project.
The website and a github space for our source code would be priorities IMO.

Matt


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 10:56 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:

> Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack channel
> over to the ASF Slack.
>
> ¬Max
>


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Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[fp...@apache.org]

Some Apache projects use different chat platform (Zulip, Gitter....) so
for me it's fine to use Mattermost instead of the ASF Slack channel.

regards,

François
fpapon@apache.org

Le 15/10/2020 à 12:19, Matt Casters a écrit :
> I actually agree with that a lot. On the flip side of that is the ability
> of these chat systems to quickly exchange ideas and throw some spaghetti
> against the wall to see if somethings sticks.
> A lot of the banter, user questions, non-dev discussions and so on would
> also feel out of place on a dev list I think.
>
> Technically my main issue with Slack is that it's a closed system.  To get
> on the Apache Slack channels you need to jump through hoops which I
> couldn't even find for the longest of times.  Instead of lowering the
> barrier it increased it for me. Open source Mattermost runs on our own
> server, has no history limits and anyone can join for free without any
> limits. I think this low barrier is extremely important since you're not
> going to spend a lot of time if you just want to report something small.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM Julian Hyde <jh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Slack and other forms of chat are fine, especially for really quick
>> questions, but get into the habit of switching to the dev list for
>> decisions or longer discussions.
>>
>> There are differing opinions within the ASF about Slack. Some folks say
>> that it is as good as a dev list if it is archived and the archive is
>> searchable. But in my opinion, Slack conversations are so low latency that
>> they tend to exclude anyone who is not online when the discussion is
>> happening. If in doubt, move the conversation to the mailing list.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack
>> channel over to the ASF Slack.
>>> ¬Max
>>

Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[Matt Casters <ma...@neo4j.com.INVALID>]

I actually agree with that a lot. On the flip side of that is the ability
of these chat systems to quickly exchange ideas and throw some spaghetti
against the wall to see if somethings sticks.
A lot of the banter, user questions, non-dev discussions and so on would
also feel out of place on a dev list I think.

Technically my main issue with Slack is that it's a closed system.  To get
on the Apache Slack channels you need to jump through hoops which I
couldn't even find for the longest of times.  Instead of lowering the
barrier it increased it for me. Open source Mattermost runs on our own
server, has no history limits and anyone can join for free without any
limits. I think this low barrier is extremely important since you're not
going to spend a lot of time if you just want to report something small.

Matt



On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM Julian Hyde <jh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Slack and other forms of chat are fine, especially for really quick
> questions, but get into the habit of switching to the dev list for
> decisions or longer discussions.
>
> There are differing opinions within the ASF about Slack. Some folks say
> that it is as good as a dev list if it is archived and the archive is
> searchable. But in my opinion, Slack conversations are so low latency that
> they tend to exclude anyone who is not online when the discussion is
> happening. If in doubt, move the conversation to the mailing list.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack
> channel over to the ASF Slack.
> >
> > ¬Max
>
>

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Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[Matt Casters <ma...@neo4j.com.INVALID>]

I actually agree with that a lot. On the flip side of that is the ability
of these chat systems to quickly exchange ideas and throw some spaghetti
against the wall to see if somethings sticks.
A lot of the banter, user questions, non-dev discussions and so on would
also feel out of place on a dev list I think.

Technically my main issue with Slack is that it's a closed system.  To get
on the Apache Slack channels you need to jump through hoops which I
couldn't even find for the longest of times.  Instead of lowering the
barrier it increased it for me. Open source Mattermost runs on our own
server, has no history limits and anyone can join for free without any
limits. I think this low barrier is extremely important since you're not
going to spend a lot of time if you just want to report something small.

Matt



On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 12:04 AM Julian Hyde <jh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Slack and other forms of chat are fine, especially for really quick
> questions, but get into the habit of switching to the dev list for
> decisions or longer discussions.
>
> There are differing opinions within the ASF about Slack. Some folks say
> that it is as good as a dev list if it is archived and the archive is
> searchable. But in my opinion, Slack conversations are so low latency that
> they tend to exclude anyone who is not online when the discussion is
> happening. If in doubt, move the conversation to the mailing list.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack
> channel over to the ASF Slack.
> >
> > ¬Max
>
>

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Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[Julian Hyde <jh...@gmail.com>]

Slack and other forms of chat are fine, especially for really quick questions, but get into the habit of switching to the dev list for decisions or longer discussions.

There are differing opinions within the ASF about Slack. Some folks say that it is as good as a dev list if it is archived and the archive is searchable. But in my opinion, Slack conversations are so low latency that they tend to exclude anyone who is not online when the discussion is happening. If in doubt, move the conversation to the mailing list.

Julian


> On Oct 9, 2020, at 1:55 AM, Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack channel over to the ASF Slack.
> 
> ¬Max

Re: [SLACK] - Channel

[Matt Casters <ma...@neo4j.com.INVALID>]

If there are things to discuss in a more informal way, why not simply join
https://chat.project-hop.org
It's open (source) and free so perhaps a bit easier.

Right now it seems we're sort of stuck with all sorts of infrastructure
needs and wants.
I think our priority should be to try and get past these or I think we risk
stalling the whole project.
The website and a github space for our source code would be priorities IMO.

Matt


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 10:56 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:

> Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack channel
> over to the ASF Slack.
>
> ¬Max
>


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*✉   *matt.casters@neo4j.com
☎  +32486972937

[SLACK] - Channel

[Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>]

Sounds good! Eventually we also want to migrate the existing Slack channel over to the ASF Slack.

¬Max